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Well, what do you know? It's Legacy of Rome dev diary day again! Today's topics are Liege Levies and Retinues.

In patch v1.07, you raise fewer, larger levies from your direct vassals (we call these "Liege Levies" for lack of a better term.) These levies are now handled separately from actual Holding levies; you only get regular holding levies from your own Demesne. The opinions of vassals of vassals are thus now mostly irrelevant; you only need to worry about the opinions of your direct vassals. Another benefit is that you don't get tiny little armies all over the place when you mobilize your realm. Liege levies also fix a fundamental balancing flaw in that you can no longer just keep raising little levies from all vassals as a war drags on (due to the portion of holding levies that was reserved for the liege.) The new Liege Levies do not reinforce at home while raised.

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That's it for Liege Levies. Now, the concept of Retinues should be familiar to those of you who have played Sengoku. Basically, Retinues are your household guard; your elite core of professional soldiers. At the start of the game, most rulers are not able to employ Retinues, but it becomes possible as their total manpower (based on all the levies in their realm) and average Military Organization (a new technology) level increase. Over time, the Retinues turn into proper standing armies. The downside is that, as your Retinue capacity increases, your normal levies decrease in size. However, even at max tech, levies will still account for the majority of your armies.

There are many types of Retinues available for hire - including several unique cultural variants - though they always come in 500-man regiments with a commander of your own culture. Retinues reinforce in the field, like mercenaries, and when you first hire them, they start with 1 man. Unlike armies in other games, for example Europa Universalis, Retinues only cost maintenance while they reinforce. You are of course allowed to declare war even if you have Retinues (which are always standing on the map.)

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So, why did we choose to add the Retinue system to the DLC? Why should you spend $6 on Legacy of Rome rather than a Latte and a slice of cake? There are many reasons, including these:

  • Retinues make arranging your flanks and balancing your armies far more tactical
  • Having a dependable standing army ready is strategically preferable
  • They fit nicely into the overall military system in patch v1.07 with Liege Levies, etc
  • History saw levy based militaries transform gradually into more professional forces

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I should mention again that the whole Retinue mechanic requires that you own the DLC; if you don't, the new Retinue tab will be grayed out in the military view and the AI will not use Retinues either. However, if the host in a multiplayer game owns the DLC, all players will be able to use Retinues.

I think that will do it for today. Next week, I plan to talk about the new Leader traits and cultural buildings. Until then!
 
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Question about disbanding a "liege levy".
Now disbanding works so, that if enemy troops are in your realm's territory, you lose some men while disbanding, but if you disband levies right at their
home province, you don't lose men. In the next version, is it OK that you disband the whole "liege levy" stack in the top vassals province and not lose men?
 
A thought occurs: since, even under the lowest setting of Crown Authority, the retinue belongs to the noble and no one else, shouldn't you be able to choose your own commander regardless of Crown Authority? Also, can the liege lord take control of your retinue?
 
u sir, just made reading this thread worthwhile for a whole 'nother reason. :wub:

I know,right? I rebuilt Rome twice but I didn't know that.
How did you play this game and not know this? In the meaning "how did you play this game and not go insane?".

This mechanic has by the way been used in several Paradox games - at the very least in HOI2&3 + EU3. In HOI it works for airplanes too :)
 
The Retinue system looks brilliant. Finally I can roll through the Holy Land, declaring wars as I go without having to go through all the fol-de-rol of marching levies back to my lands, disbanding them, declaring war, raising the levies and carting them all the way back. Those peasants just can't catch a break.

Hope a future DD will expand on the changes to the Patriarchy - especially the Pentarchy which I only noticed today when downloading a screenshot to show to a mate. Will be good to bring Rome back into the fold, although I wonder if both the Patriarch of Rome and the Pope can exist at the same time (assuming Rome's under Orthodox control, of course). Might be an interesting situation, huh Paradox? :happy:

/Blatant Fishing Expedition
 
How did you play this game and not know this? In the meaning "how did you play this game and not go insane?".

This mechanic has by the way been used in several Paradox games - at the very least in HOI2&3 + EU3. In HOI it works for airplanes too :)

first paradox game for me at least...and im really quick with the mouse....it doesn't take long for me to get the ships....just helpful to know now that i do have a better option. :D
 
The Retinue system looks brilliant. Finally I can roll through the Holy Land, declaring wars as I go without having to go through all the fol-de-rol of marching levies back to my lands, disbanding them, declaring war, raising the levies and carting them all the way back. Those peasants just can't catch a break.

Hope a future DD will expand on the changes to the Patriarchy - especially the Pentarchy which I only noticed today when downloading a screenshot to show to a mate. Will be good to bring Rome back into the fold, although I wonder if both the Patriarch of Rome and the Pope can exist at the same time (assuming Rome's under Orthodox control, of course). Might be an interesting situation, huh Paradox? :happy:

/Blatant Fishing Expedition

they also need to work out the issue of the head of the orthodox church (or any church) can become catholic/other religion...if your the head of the orthodox church you GOTTA be orthodox....it happens all the time...i just don't bother to notice...it really just depends if the emperor of the Romans converts to catholic...which happens a distressingly large amount of my games.
 
How did you play this game and not know this? In the meaning "how did you play this game and not go insane?".

This mechanic has by the way been used in several Paradox games - at the very least in HOI2&3 + EU3. In HOI it works for airplanes too :)
I would usually raise my ships first, move them around, then take care of levies.
 
One question: where do the levies appear, in my capital or in my vassal's?
 
And what about loyalty of retinues? Can they revolt like it historically happenned with some Byzantine armies?

That would be good.
 
thing is when they did revoled normal push there commander up on shield, making him usurper.

So? Game is too static for now- some kind of randomness would be good (but of course I don't wan't retinues to revolt without any cause).

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@up: Yes, You can...

BTW- are fleets going to be retinues or soldiers only?
 
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I can see me raging once in a full moon regarding a retinue that I've just hired in a province that rebelled instantly afterwards.

Also, if retinues cost upkeep only while they reinforce, that should mean they are nearly completely free to establish?
 
I can see me raging once in a full moon regarding a retinue that I've just hired in a province that rebelled instantly afterwards.

Also, if retinues cost upkeep only while they reinforce, that should mean they are nearly completely free to establish?

there equipment & organisation has to be payed for and lump some payments to military leaders.
 
I can see me raging once in a full moon regarding a retinue that I've just hired in a province that rebelled instantly afterwards.

Also, if retinues cost upkeep only while they reinforce, that should mean they are nearly completely free to establish?

Lack of money to pay soldiers was historical reason of such rebellions- I'm not saying that army must revolt- but it makes sense doesn't it?