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Last week I told you about the College of Cardinals and the new papal powers (though I believe I forgot to mention that the Pope can also grant you claims on counties and duchies!) Today I'll go through the rest of the new Christian mechanics in Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham, as well as the new Muslim stuff. Let's start with the Holy Orders!

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We have given each non-heretic religion in the game at least one Holy Order. This includes the various pagan religions, though most of their Holy Orders are rather fanciful. The Catholics also get two more in addition to the old ones; the Knights of Calatrava and the Knights of Santiago, both of which are mostly active in Hispania. Holy Orders are no longer activated at a certain date, many will start showing up once the Crusades/Jihads kick off (which is also more dynamic now), or when certain conditions are met. For example, the Brotherhood of the Holy Sepulchre (an Orthodox Holy Order) becomes active if Antioch and Jerusalem are Orthodox and held by Orthodox rulers. Holy Orders are now much more active in world politics, and both their internal and external mechanics have been altered. You can now borrow money from certain Holy Orders (like the Knights Templar), or donate money for Piety. They, in turn, will make various requests (and if you owe them money, it is hard to refuse.) For example, they can ask that one of your sons join them, or that you give them the right to build a castle in an empty holding slot in one of your counties. Internally, Grandmasters are no longer randomly generated characters, but chosen from among vassals and courtiers, many of which will now be important members of European nobility. Having a Grandmaster of your dynasty will give you a monthly amount of prestige. Castle holdings under the Grandmaster are no longer hereditary, but appointed to a "Commander" for life. We have also added some minor rules and decisions, like if you happen to be the king of Jerusalem, you now have the option to vassalize the Templars and the Knights of St John. Lastly, if you think that an Order has grown too powerful in your realm, you can expel it forever, seizing its castles (a very impious act.)

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Somewhat related to the Holy Orders, you now have the ability to order any courtier to take the vows and become a monk or nun. The character will then either become a regular monk or nun (traits), or go off to join one of the martial orders. Either way, he or she will be disinherited. Unfortunately, you are not allowed to do this against characters who stand to inherit titles (like younger sons under Gavelkind); unless you imprison them first!

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As I mentioned earlier, the Crusades will no longer necessarily kick off after a certain year; it now depends on the actual situation in Europe. For example, if Constantinople or Rome have fallen or the Moors are pushing into France. Similar conditions now apply for the Muslims. The Pagans - if they can have Great Holy Wars - will get them after the Crusades and Jihads are both active.

We have also improved on the heresies; most of them are now more distinctive and some of them even have their own heads of religion. For example, the Cathars can appoint female bishops and the Ibadi can now have their own Caliph, etc. The events that control the spread of heresies are different if you have Sons of Abraham; heresies tend to be more localized and it is also possible for minority view non-heretics among your courtiers to spread their faith (i.e. an Orthodox courtier among Catholics, etc.) Perhaps the most drastic change to heresies though, is that they can now take over as the new orthodoxy if they hold more provinces than the current mainstream form of the religion. If, say, more counties are Waldensian than Catholic, Catholicism will become the heresy and its Holy Orders will join the Waldensians. Oh, and we also decided to add "regular" religious rebels who are not trying to spread a heresy, just to gain freedom from the religious oppression of their overlords (e.g. Sunni rebels in a Catholic realm.)

Catholicism may have received the most attention in Sons of Abraham, but we have not forgotten the Muslims. They get a choice between two rival schools of theology and the conflicts that arise out of taking a stance. On one side, you have the Mu'tazili school, which espouses reason and rational thought inspired by the ancient Greek philosophers. Opposing them are the Ash'ari, who belive in the eternal, uncreated word of Allah. Historically, the Mutazilites lost out after some fairly brutal conflicts and draconian measures like the Mihna , arguably bringing to an end the Islamic Golden Age. In game terms, Mutazilites get a Learning bonus for research, whereas the Ash'ari gain Piety, and members of opposing schools tend to loathe each other.

I think that will do for now. Next week, I'll speak of pilgrimages, religious events and Judaism!
 
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Jewish Holy Orders, here we come!

I believe you need to recreate Israel first to institute the jewish head honcho there, so don't get too excited.
Though it depends how strong they are. Might still be a force to reckon with...or just light infantry with a few slingers..........just kidding. :rolleyes:
Oh well, we 'll see soon.

Will be interesting what the next devdiary presents in this regard.
 
Hmm, a little disappointed it looks like decadence won't be getting any changes. I really want to play Muslim but I really hate that mechanic in its present form. Also regarding Muslims, if I take a Mutazilite game and convert it into EU4 will I still have the same penalty to tech research?

Isnt there already a Peity system in place for Muslims in EUIV so hopefully the converter will just use your choice to follow the Mutazilite path to put you in the right "rating" for peity
 
Does the Jewish Holy Order get to use the Ark of the Covenant to melt their enemies faces? Its important that this is in the game, since, as historical research by Professor Henry Jones Jr. has irrefutably shown, the Ark of the Covenant was quite capable of utterly disrupting the molecular bonds of any human who gazed upon it without following proper procedures.
 
Does the Jewish Holy Order get to use the Ark of the Covenant to melt their enemies faces? Its important that this is in the game, since, as historical research by Professor Henry Jones Jr. has irrefutably shown, the Ark of the Covenant was quite capable of utterly disrupting the molecular bonds of any human who gazed upon it without following proper procedures.
Not possible; have you already forgotten how the viking raiders have stolen the Ark of the Covenant, after opening 128302832 fake boxes of crumbling parchments?

hats off for anyone that manages to plant a 11 year old girl named Jaela on the Papal throne :D
Put an African loli on the Papal throne, unlock Jael-bait achievement.
 
Emm...
The differences between Shia and Sunni actually a bit (well, a lot) deeper than that...
While political in its origin, the implication later on is much more similar to how Judaism and Christian split in their teaching...

Shia emphasize on Ali's importance is similar with Christian view on Jesus (especially when they claim that one of the Imam - descendent of Ali - will be the Messiah at end of time) while Sunni emphasize on Muhammad's importance make following his example become an important thing and in the end make Sunni similar to Judaism with their high reverence toward Ulama (or something similar), the equivalent of Rabbi in Judaism, because they claim only them has the knowledge of what Muhammad did and said...

This later on develop in to much-much more difference in theology (Shia is more secrecy and allow 'justified' lying known as taqqiya while Sunni become more diverse in practicing their theology due to many different school of thought - which mostly comes in to detailed of how certain practice must be done but enough to make people like those in Salafi think this variations as biddah or innovation and must be purge) and thus while they claim to be both Islam, much like Judaism and Christian where both believe Old Testament is divine in origin and Moses is a prophet (just replace it with Qur'an and Muhammad), in practice they are very-very different...

Well, to be fair the difference between Catholicism and Orthodoxy is also deeper than that. They actually have very different understandings of Salvation and the whole purpose of Christianity and the Christian life.

p.s. Also, Hi everyone. Been lurking a while, first post, you know the drill.
 
After reading through the post again I'm not quite sure I understand this new Appointment succession law. How does it work in theory and what will make it so good for the Byzantine empire which many have their eyes on?
 
After reading through the post again I'm not quite sure I understand this new Appointment succession law. How does it work in theory and what will make it so good for the Byzantine empire which many have their eyes on?
It's likely that titles go back to the ruler on death or are given to another character.
 
Aha, I see! Thanks SBolshevik, I can now see why people are getting excited. I'm sure modders will have a field day with that one!
 
Well, to be fair the difference between Catholicism and Orthodoxy is also deeper than that. They actually have very different understandings of Salvation and the whole purpose of Christianity and the Christian life.

p.s. Also, Hi everyone. Been lurking a while, first post, you know the drill.
I guess, but I don't think it going as deep as differences between Judaism and Christian which Sunni and Shia is in a sense all about...
As I said Shia emphasize of Ali can be seen as a bit too far for Sunni...
For Shia, Ali is Wali-Allah or representative of Allah while Muhammad is Rasul-Allah or messanger of Allah so in a sense they believe Ali's position is at least equal with (some of them even think more than) Muhammad himself...
While Sunni believe he was nothing more than just a revered sahaba (or supporter - if I am not mistaken its meaning in English)...
So in a sense both already think each other as heresy of one another...

Though I don't really sure about Catholic and Orthodox (I am not a Christian) so maybe they much more different than that...
If that is the case, I am sorry...

Though because the reason I post that is because of the request for Sunni-Shia mend schism event, I think it is acceptable if Judaism also has option to mend schism toward Christianity...
It is that deep (though in internet only extremist or people with deep knowledge and clear honesty will admit because well, the dream of one umma)...

Ah, I forget about that 'one umma' stuff...
I guess Caliph could enforce 'one umma' stuff which mend Sunni-Shia 'schism'...
But I guess it would require 100% MA of Islam or something like that...
 
Can you elaborate a bit on this point? How will this work? What happens if you don't pay them back?
Holy Orders will make certain requests over time. And if you owe them money, it will be hard to refuse them. They would, for instance, ask that one of your courtiers join the Order.
 
I guess, but I don't think it going as deep as differences between Judaism and Christian which Sunni and Shia is in a sense all about...
As I said Shia emphasize of Ali can be seen as a bit too far for Sunni...
For Shia, Ali is Wali-Allah or representative of Allah while Muhammad is Rasul-Allah or messanger of Allah so in a sense they believe Ali's position is at least equal with (some of them even think more than) Muhammad himself...
While Sunni believe he was nothing more than just a revered sahaba (or supporter - if I am not mistaken its meaning in English)...
So in a sense both already think each other as heresy of one another...

Though I don't really sure about Catholic and Orthodox (I am not a Christian) so maybe they much more different than that...
If that is the case, I am sorry...

Though because the reason I post that is because of the request for Sunni-Shia mend schism event, I think it is acceptable if Judaism also has option to mend schism toward Christianity...
It is that deep (though in internet only extremist or people with deep knowledge and clear honesty will admit because well, the dream of one umma)...

Ah, I forget about that 'one umma' stuff...
I guess Caliph could enforce 'one umma' stuff which mend Sunni-Shia 'schism'...
But I guess it would require 100% MA of Islam or something like that...

Well I definitely don't know enough about Islam to compare the relationship between Sunni and Shia to the relationship between Catholicism and Orthodoxy (And as a disclaimer I'm pretty far from an expert on Christian Theology as well, I only have a Bachelor's Degree). I just thought it was worth noting that both differences had been significantly understated even if one of them was far more so.
 
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Not possible; have you already forgotten how the viking raiders have stolen the Ark of the Covenant, after opening 128302832 fake boxes of crumbling parchments?

Well then the next target for Jewish crusades after the reclamation of Israel is clear. The holy Ark must be liberated from the northern heathens!
 
Would the trait-schools of Islam perhaps also work for Iconoclasm? I never thought it worked well as a full-fledged heresy. There could be a Iconoclast and a Iconodule trait.