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Well, it's been two weeks, so it's time for another bi-weekly entry in the saga of The Old Gods expansion for Crusader Kings II (we will ramp up the pace to weekly dev diaries from May 1). Today, I'll talk about what is, perhaps, the core feature of the expansion: raiding. All pagans have the option to raid, but it is especially important for Norse and Tengri rulers, who will start losing Prestige if they have been at peace for too long. Rather than declare a regular war, they can opt for some good old fashioned raiding.

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So how does it work? It's easy; you simply raise an army, toggle it to raiding and move it to a suitable county. You cannot raid counties within the same realm as you, nor can you raid brothers of the faith, but everyone else is fair game. All counties now have a wealth bar that shows how much gold you can loot from the province. As long as your raiding army is standing in the province, it will drain the wealth bar. The loot is not taken from the treasury of the local ruler, but rather represents the possessions of the local clergy, burghers, farmers and lesser nobility. However, the top liege of the looted county will lose Prestige and all Holdings in a looted county will have a lower tax income until the bar has (slowly) replenished. Incidentally, all sieges (not just raiding) in a county will damage the wealth, but only raiders will get money from it.

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Loot from counties neighboring your own realm goes directly into your treasury, so looting farther afield is normally relatively pointless. However, Norse pagans have the option of raiding all coastal areas, no matter how distant. The problem is that such loot must be carried on ships and when the ships fill up, the raiders must return home and deposit the gold in the treasury. Initially, Norse fleets are also able to navigate many major rivers, like the Volga and the Seine, but when fort levels get too high in the adjacent counties, the rivers will become blocked off, representing fortified bridges and other key fortifications. Using the great eastern rivers and portages, the vikings are able to reach even the Caspian Sea.

The fort level in Holdings has another effect on raiding; it can protect a part of the wealth bar. Unfortunately for the defenders, this protection is of course lost if the raiders actually manage to occupy the local castles, cities and temples. Even worse, when raiders successfully siege down a Holding, there is a chance that some of its buildings are destroyed. In fact, the entire Holding can be razed to the ground, although this is a rare event. The raiders will get much loot from cracking open such golden eggs in addition to draining the wealth bar dry.

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The dynamic we have set up basically forces aggressive pagans (especially lower rank ones, like counts) to raid unless they want to live with negative Prestige. On the other hand, the gold and Prestige they get from raiding can be used to declare special wars, which I will talk about in the next developer diary (on April 17)!

Bonus:
A Paradox Development Studio Feature - Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods Highlights from the livestream:

Part 1
[video=youtube;eIX3zOChdgE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIX3zOChdgE[/video]

Part 2
[video=youtube;rysyfLfcpbw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rysyfLfcpbw[/video]
 
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Also - am I the only one a bit brow raised that only the Byzantines can bring back the Roman Empire? That's certainly not accurate - pretty much everyone in the West wanted to be the new heir to the Western Empire and all that jazz about that. Imperial Reconquest is one of the funnest scenarios to get up to.

I believe it's done this way because in the west, the heir to the western empire was seen as the Holy Roman Empire. Therefore, for a western, Catholic ruler to declare himself emperor of Rome would be in direct conflict with the HRE. More likely, they'd spend their energy trying to get the existing title. If the Byzantines can come along and reclaim Italy, though, they can sort of throw down the gauntlet and claim the HRE isn't legitimate by creating a rival title. At least, that's how the reasoning strikes me.
 
Will we have the option to make war upon the Vikings to prevent raids? I don't know much about the history of it, but as a player I would want the option of retaliation, not having to Holy War or Fabricate them out of existence.
 
Doubt it, as the ship numbers available in 867 have been reduced to prevent exactly that. Thats what King said in the stream.
You may fight them while roaming your realm though. Nice, eh ? ;)

You will be hostile to them when they reach your shore.
 
Will we have the option to make war upon the Vikings to prevent raids? I don't know much about the history of it, but as a player I would want the option of retaliation, not having to Holy War or Fabricate them out of existence.

Looks like retinues will be turning into a full-out defensive force, for some areas.
 
Really liked the Kingdom of Asturias ! But what about the other Kingdoms that appears alongside with the Reconquista, like Leon, Galícia, Navarra (or Pamplona) and Castille (from County to Kingdom at the beggining of the eleventh century) ?
 
However, I have to say I worry a lot--and it seems I'm not alone--about the raids and looting.

I just hope this was a wrong way to expose the whole thing. How could this be even enjoyable to see raids all over the map, only really allowed to Vikings? The creation of the Holy Roman Empire is linked to the battle of Lechfeld, in 955, near Augsburg: Otto I wins the battle over the Magyars, is hailed as an Emperor by his troops, and access the rank of Emperor, accorded by the pope as a recognition of his role as a defensor of Christianity (among a lot of other political worries for him).

Just look at this screenshot. How may Magyars come to Augsburg, to the Rhine valley, to Southern Italia... if their interest for raids and easy money is limited to a very few counties?

Whilst it appears from your tone in the rest of the posts on the HRE you have noticed that you are Considerably smarter than the rest of us you also seemed to have missed that Pagans are not limited to only raiding alone and in the screen shot here you will see in the 867 start the Magyars are invading there way west well in time for their date with Otto I in 955
 
Whilst it appears from your tone in the rest of the posts on the HRE you have noticed that you are Considerably smarter than the rest of us you also seemed to have missed that Pagans are not limited to only raiding alone and in the screen shot here you will see in the 867 start the Magyars are invading there way west well in time for their date with Otto I in 955

Dude, what?
He just pointed magyars should be able to raid far away just as well, not only 1 province reach.
This screenshot shows them conquering the carpathian basin. He ain't talking about conquest, but about the new mechanic called raiding and how it's available decently only for the norse while they weren't quite the only ones doing some nasty and far pillaging at the time.
 
Its so tough to wait for the Old Gods. The dlc seems too irresistible. Take my $$$$ now.
 
I' am writing again about this matter, since the first time I wrote about it got no attention.
Whats with the duchy of Samogitian CaO deer? It should only be bear.
Lithuanian double cross was adopted only in XV century through Jagiellon dynasty, as for pagans Gediminaičių stulpai/Columns of Gediminas would fit better.
Also "Gedminaitis" using double cross as CaO is a mistake too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Samogitia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columns_of_Gediminas
 
I'm hoping there will be no distance limits for the viking invasions. It would be great to be able to stage the Norman conquest of southern Italy, or to just be able to go off into Ireland or whichever place is ripe for the taking.
 
I'm hoping there will be no distance limits for the viking invasions. It would be great to be able to stage the Norman conquest of southern Italy, or to just be able to go off into Ireland or whichever place is ripe for the taking.


Why aim so low? I'm looking to sack Cairo, Alexandria and the rest of the eastern Med.
 
Hmm, I think the HRE should start as a titular title the Pope can give to a Catholic king, and in time evolve into the territorial title it is in 1066.

I would like to see a naturally evolving HRE too.
 
I would like to see a naturally evolving HRE too.

AT least, 50% of the time. I also wouldn't mind to have mutually exclusive Francia and HRE, but that's not a major requirement :)
 
I wonder if there will be popiel as king, or will there be piast dynasty. In my opinion both would be plausible (Piast Kołodziej could live around that date, and if there was someone like popiel it is certain that he could be a ruler, as piast took the rule from popiel dynasty - or so you can assume from legend, in which popiel was eaten by mices...). Either way i wonder how propable will be that kingdom of poland will form...