Crusader Kings III: Chapter IV

[deedo]

Coronations are welcome i guess... Woooooow..... Still no republics? Really? As wide as the ocean and as deep as a puddle, my friends.

Look, I get that everybody wants to play republics, but really think about it. At game start, There was only like three republics that you can play. It’s an incredibly small part of the map. On the other hand, think about what adding the east will bring., it willplease all the eastern audiences, adds tons of new religions flavor, practically as an entire second map to the game, makes making it so that it doesn’t get stale. And you will sacrifice all that just so you can play as Venice? To each their own I guess. Personally, I’m excited as heck. You’ll get your Republics soon.

 

[BaliorPal]

Look, I get that everybody wants to play republics, but really think about it. At game start, There was only like three republics that you can play. It’s an incredibly small part of the map. On the other hand, think about what adding the east will bring., it willplease all the eastern audiences, adds tons of new religions flavor, practically as an entire second map to the game, makes making it so that it doesn’t get stale. And you will sacrifice all that just so you can play as Venice? To each their own I guess. Personally, I’m excited as heck. You’ll get your Republics soon.

I disagree with the idea that everyone wants to play as republics. I think it's just a loud minority. I'm not saying they shouldn't be added, but I'm definitely against republics usurping the trade mechanics. Trade first, then republics.

 

[CannaeCogitate]

I hope some ambassador or embassy expansion will be added,otherwise contact with Asian powers will be extremely weird,when you playing as European power.

For example: when you send any request to other leaders,you need to assemble embassy diplomat + any other character depending on your mission: religious,merchant or spy.And they should travel to destinations and back and only then player receive answer.

For that,I think,some extra support characters for council position should be added,when you hire someone for position he brings in his “office”,his son,brother and best friend,and mission is depending on skills of characters.

Still I don’t understand how Asia is added before merchants and silk roads(any trade road) because king of France had no reason to send his ambassadors to the China…he probably didn’t even care that somewhere there is some kinda “emperor”,he probably even never heard about him.

Asia isn't being added before the Silk Road, they're being added at the same time.

 

[Rémerod er Bannt]

WOW! never expected Chapter 4 to include all of Asia!

I know that the ck3 community is a bit split on All Under Heaven, but i think adding the rest of Asia was always the plan. while i agree with a lot of people that i want deeper mechanics for what we have, for like religion, orders, trade & republics (and in an earlier DD they kinda hinted that trade is 2026), like many have pointed out already we'll get more of that with the map expansions, also with the addition to the new governments we should have most all needed governments now, meaning that in the future we can get stuff (like more laws) that adds onto governments rather then new ones.

And just to point out; as we could see in the "Development Floor Plan" showed Dev Diary #109 - Floor Plan for the Future (3 years ago, before T&T), a map expansion was always planned for ck3, Chapter 4 is not random, they are delivering on DLC stuff they showcaseed for us years ago! And I for one is happy to see that they have been sticking to it, and that we can still use it to predict the future for the upcoming years.

Long have I've wanted a nomadic government, the steppe felt weird to play in before, like it was missing something, really looking forward to Khans of the Steppe!
As event packs go the Coronations Event Pack looks interesting. All Under Heaven just looks amazing, not only are we getting a bunch of new mechanics and government types but also a map expansion! this will not only add new stuff us to play but it will really make the Mongolia, Tibet and India areas more interesting to play in!

I am very excited for Chapter 4! All of the content it presents to us looks great and interesting, and i am greatly looking forward to it! And while I can understand people wanting more indeeph mechanics for what we have remember as the devs said in the Chapter 4 reveal video, the latest DLC:s have played into each other making them better, i expect that All Under Heaven will be the best mechanically DLC yet and that it will eventually vastly improve onto what Chapter 5 holds for us in 2026 (the year of trade and republics! )

P.S. even if this reasoning is not enough for some of you to come around on chapter 4, remember! These DLC will mechanically be 100% useful for all big mods out there, so for that reason alone chapter 4 is a great thing!

 

[Ay Dede]

Will this DLC include Oghuz, Kipchak, Mongol, and other historical tribes? Please add more historical figures—it’s essential for an authentic and immersive experience. The lack of attention to the Ashina dynasty is especially disappointing, as they were truly legendary among the steppe peoples. In the steppes, their influence was even greater than that of the Capetians or Habsburgs in Europe. Even Genghis Khan declared Ötüken his capital because it had been the capital of the Turkic Khaganate, ruled by the Ashina dynasty.

I really hope you will consult Turkish and Mongolian historians to ensure greater historical accuracy. Thank you so much for your hard work!

 

[Mimi191817]

Question: Do All Under Heaven will represent the unique inner court system of the Chinese Empire? Like the rankings of consorts and concubines,. I just want to live the life of Wu Zetian and take over the empire from the Emperor.

 

[sonofliber]

Look, I get that everybody wants to play republics, but really think about it. At game start, There was only like three republics that you can play. It’s an incredibly small part of the map. On the other hand, think about what adding the east will bring., it willplease all the eastern audiences, adds tons of new religions flavor, practically as an entire second map to the game, makes making it so that it doesn’t get stale. And you will sacrifice all that just so you can play as Venice? To each their own I guess. Personally, I’m excited as heck. You’ll get your Republics soon.

Oh come on, its a massive map expansion from paradox that contain tons of new religions and government types.

Its gonna have the dept of a puddle of water, full of bugs and after 2 hours it will all play the same

They work best when they focus on specific things like republics would be.

 

[naTae]

I really hope that after the map is expanded, there will be a mode or setting where you can choose to be active on a continent or region basis, as many people may have encountered performance issues. Due to the map being too big.

 

[TheLeviathanOfLevistus]

Will there be updates to the religious system to properly represent how most Chinese people follow 3 religions (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism)? Currently in CK3, the Han just regions follow Zhengyi Taoism and I think the cultural traditions of Han is supposed to represent Confucianism. I think this could use a bit of work.

 

[Atilla 'The Hun']

Thank you, Paradox, for finally bringing Japan into the game! This addition truly honors the legacy of Sengoku and continues its rich historical narrative in an exciting and authentic way!

 

[olf1]

Court Position Overhaul​

A more intuitive interface for appointing and managing your court's less essential roles. New court positions are introduced, while existing ones are given tasks that their holders can be directed to perform for various benefits. Additionally, you can now choose to replace vacancies manually, or set specific positions to be refilled automatically.

That's work very well indeed thank you ! Is it possible to have something similar for vassals ?

 

[SerQlod]

I was recently reading through the threads and came across a point made by Grave Digger that really resonated with me:
'We have a Byzantine DLC that ignored the Turkish invasion aspect. We have a Persian DLC that mostly overlooked the Turkish impact on the region. Now we have a Steppe DLC, which was ruled for the longest time by Turkish tribes, yet it focuses solely on the Mongols.'

This raises a question: Is there any intention to consistently overlook the Turkic presence in each DLC that is, at some point, related to Turks? I wonder if there will ever be a DLC that specifically highlights Turks because if this DLC is truly about the "Khans of the Steppe," then shouldn't it include other nomadic people? Or is it simply about the Mongols of the Steppe? I ask this not out of any particular bias against the Mongols, but because it seems that naming the DLC "Khans of the Steppe" while excluding other significant nomadic peoples feels somewhat unfair.

 

[luanmameili[LM]]

Oh certainly I meant only for the languages for the alphabetical languages only. Chinese language version of the game will surely use Hanzi. But consider this: In English version , instead of Ganzhou, we can use Kamtjow (or Kamcju in Polyhedron system, Kamtsyuw in Baxter transliteration) which is more historically accurate pronunciation.

You can already find Polyhedron system in Qiang names.

 

[moatman15]

As one of the guys who play Rajas of Asia, I am certainly not against having Asia included in the base game. However, I have some concerns.

Religion in Asia, at the very least at this period, is far different from how religion is viewed in Christian Europe and how it currently present in the game. Right now you can't be two faiths at once. It works for Europe, where a Lollard can't also be a Catholic, but it doesn't work as well in other places, especially not in China and even Vanilla India. Tao and confucian teachings and buddhist teachings are all respected in China, and an average person would follow all three at varying degrees. A Jain can and did respected and practiced Buddhist or Hindu teaching. Hell, in South East Asia, there are people who views Buddha and Shiva as equal or even the same being. Meanwhile currently in Vanilla, distinction is made between Vaishnavism and Krishnaism, when Krishna is an avatar of Visnu!

My point is, vanilla religion mechanic, as good as they are now, are unable to properly account for the degree of syncretism and interweaving of faith in Asia. And yes, I know you made that doctrine for Eastern faiths for exactly that reason, but it is frankly a lazy and inaccurate way to show this. I understand that when you limit yourself to Europe and nearby area, but now with you opening up to the rest of Asia. It is important I'd say for you to first tackle the religion mechanic. Not just for the Eastern religion, this system is even weird for Muslims and even regional Christian faith. Insular Christianity being differentiated from the rest of the Catholic world? Mullawadi being its own faith when they where Ashari irl? Again, this made some sense in the first iteration of the game to show cultural differences, but now cultures have their own traits and mechanics and it make these distinctions questionable once again. And this haven't touched upon the Great Schism being unrepresented at all, which would also benefit from a more nuanced mechanic that can show someone being practitioner of two different beliefs at a time, or being in the middle of the ecclesial war between the Catholics and the Orthodox.

TLDR: You cannot properly include Asia in the game without an improvement in religious mechanics, and it would not just benefits Asia but also improve content and gameplay in the rest of the world, including Europe!

 

[Beauarien]

Thank you for these big announcements. Thank you again for being attentive to the players' requests. You are truly an exceptional studio. I'm excited to see what you'll bring us next.

I’d like to share some suggestions:

I would love to see governments reworked in a more modular and readable way, similar to cultures, to make each government unique (like the example of Irish clan-based governments).

A rework of religions, allowing characters to have affinities with multiple religions.

More dynamic dynasty relationships, where dynasties, like characters, have connections with each other that influence all their members.

More complex romantic relationships.

Grief: I would like the death of a loved one to have a greater impact on the characters' lives.

A more advanced negotiation system during wars.

Thanks.

 

[Metz]

Two requests for the next patch if possible:

1) A way to view another character's court, the same way we can view our court and our liege's court.

2) An interaction to "Send Physician" to a sick character if your court physician is better than their court physician or if they have none. This could provide a way to increase relations as sometimes its difficult because sway and befriend have little to no odds and they don't turn up to your feasts or hunts either.

 

[IIXBatmanXII]

As one of the guys who play Rajas of Asia, I am certainly not against having Asia included in the base game. However, I have some concerns.

Religion in Asia, at the very least at this period, is far different from how religion is viewed in Christian Europe and how it currently present in the game. Right now you can't be two faiths at once. It works for Europe, where a Lollard can't also be a Catholic, but it doesn't work as well in other places, especially not in China and even Vanilla India. Tao and confucian teachings and buddhist teachings are all respected in China, and an average person would follow all three at varying degrees. A Jain can and did respected and practiced Buddhist or Hindu teaching. Hell, in South East Asia, there are people who views Buddha and Shiva as equal or even the same being. Meanwhile currently in Vanilla, distinction is made between Vaishnavism and Krishnaism, when Krishna is an avatar of Visnu!

My point is, vanilla religion mechanic, as good as they are now, are unable to properly account for the degree of syncretism and interweaving of faith in Asia. And yes, I know you made that doctrine for Eastern faiths for exactly that reason, but it is frankly a lazy and inaccurate way to show this. I understand that when you limit yourself to Europe and nearby area, but now with you opening up to the rest of Asia. It is important I'd say for you to first tackle the religion mechanic. Not just for the Eastern religion, this system is even weird for Muslims and even regional Christian faith. Insular Christianity being differentiated from the rest of the Catholic world? Mullawadi being its own faith when they where Ashari irl? Again, this made some sense in the first iteration of the game to show cultural differences, but now cultures have their own traits and mechanics and it make these distinctions questionable once again. And this haven't touched upon the Great Schism being unrepresented at all, which would also benefit from a more nuanced mechanic that can show someone being practitioner of two different beliefs at a time, or being in the middle of the ecclesial war between the Catholics and the Orthodox.

TLDR: You cannot properly include Asia in the game without an improvement in religious mechanics, and it would not just benefits Asia but also improve content and gameplay in the rest of the world, including Europe!

It seems to me they are probably aware of this and are planning to leave it alone for now and later do a big religion overhaul on the whole map (for which reason they wish to add the whole map first).