Dev Diary #112 - Year in Review

[foreman_domai]

Per my Greek philosophy title suggestions, if there was ever a "revive Epicureanism" button... that would be awesome. Given it was a universal, missionary, quasi-religious, dogmatic philosophical system that lasted well into the Roman Imperial period, I think it could fall under a Hellenic heresy. Some event in the Learning, scholar tree event chain leads you to discovering De Rerum Natura, and your character thinks Lucretius was on to something. If you ever wanted an excuse for a tech boosting religious tenet then there you go. But I imagine I'm gonna have to learn how to mod....

 

[BrotherJonathan]

It is also important to be precise with language. Words like "depth" and "casual" are thrown around for critique of any game and they carry so much baggage that they are effectively meaningless on their own because they don't say a specific thing. On the surface level depth can be taken as a synonym for complexity, which is not always a good thing. Hence why it's important to be precise. What is lacking "depth"? why is that a lack of "depth" and not removing tedium? Why would more "depth" make the game fun?

I agree with this sentiment. I feel like terms like "casual" have essentially become snarl words that shut down debate by implying that anyone who disagrees with the poster is stupid or has bad taste. I think I once saw someone on another site react to someone saying that they thought the building system was interesting by stating that they "were probably amused by jingling keys".

 

[TravlingCanuck]

I agree with this sentiment. I feel like terms like "casual" have essentially become snarl words that shut down debate by implying that anyone who disagrees with the poster is stupid or has bad taste. I think I once saw someone on another site react to someone saying that they thought the building system was interesting by stating that they "were probably amused by jingling keys".

Jingling keys are awesome.

 

[lunar_peasant]

please fix the 1star education bug

 

[james24eagle]

Something I hope you consider are nicknames in relation to the character‘s parent or predecessor. If the father was extremely prestigious or pious, or a tyrant, an appropriate “son of…” nickname may be given.

Another suggestion is genealogy based nicknames, something like John, son of James, son of Phillip, scion of William the Bastard

Last suggestion is to have childhood nicknames like ‘the whiner’ or ‘the brat’ that may then evolve into adult nicknames. Like ’the scaredy cat’ becoming ‘the craven’ or other options. These could factor heavily into childhood event chains.

 

[BrotherJonathan]

Something I hope you consider are nicknames in relation to the character‘s parent or predecessor. If the father was extremely prestigious or pious, or a tyrant, an appropriate “son of…” nickname may be given.

Another suggestion is genealogy based nicknames, something like John, son of James, son of Phillip, scion of William the Bastard

Last suggestion is to have childhood nicknames like ‘the whiner’ or ‘the brat’ that may then evolve into adult nicknames. Like ’the scaredy cat’ becoming ‘the craven’ or other options. These could factor heavily into childhood event chains.

Or a character who recently came of age could have a small Easter Egg event that involves trying to get rid of an embarrassing childhood nickname.

 

[Tschobo]

Probably another thing that would be feasible are nicknames that could appear after the death of a ruler. It was common for some rulers like Alfred who had gotten the Nickname "the Great" only after his death. Also Saints and Blessed People got their Saint addition only after their death and it could be incorporated into the nicknames too.

Examples could be:

• The Great: For People who achieved the Living Legend status and didn't get a Nickname for a Dynasty Epic or Chronicle event.
• The Forgotten: For a ruler that ruled under 6 months and died afterwards without achieving anything of note. It could be a fun event where the chronicler could have just forgotten this ruler and you just realized it after researching some texts and decided to add him in an addendum. It could be like. Hey I found some signed documents of King Udo. Wait there is a King Udo? I guess, he reigned in the year 916 but not for long after his son ascended.
• The Ghost/ the Undead: For a dead character where a possessed character believes that they are haunted by them.
• Some Nicknames like the Murderer or the Cold for a character where you find out that he murdered somebody after his death.
• And maybe an event where a friend or rival heir give their predecessor a Nickname after they ascended the throne. And as a rival you could either attempt to taint his legacy or make amends.

 

[kawamuratc]

Oh! Seeing it pop up in mods reminded me:

I would LOVE to see something like what the Community Name Packs have done with Arabic names, especially the laqab and the kunyas. There’s even a huge compilation to help devs get started on a fascinating and colorful naming system.

 

[grommile]

cannot take an opinion

What discourages the developers from communicating is not the presence of negative opinion about the software.

It's the use of language whose only purpose is to hurt.

 

[Testeria]

What discourages the developers from communicating is not the presence of negative opinion about the software.

It's the use of language whose only purpose is to hurt.

That's ok. One should always talk about the product, not the person who made it. It is even in the bible: condemn the deeds, love the person!

 

[Hellua]

I'm hopeful that next year we'll see more work directed towards improving the core systems of the game. I feel like this year we've gotten a lot of window dressing, but precious little work on the most pressing issues. The biggest we got, at least that I can think of, was the AI improvements, but even those I think made other areas of the game a lot worse (by largely removing counts from the feudal hierarchy).

So true!

 

[Vladimir Pavlov]

It would be neat to have the nicknames "the Prophet" and "the Sorcerer" to role-play Oleg of Novgorod and Vseslav of Polotsk.

 

[rizeli_533]

-Can someone explain me why i should buy friends & foes?

-I think fate of iberia should have brought more events for christians and muslims like xmas and ramadan where you could interact with other leaders or somethink.

Edit: Like for example the royal cook put too much salt in the food : +10% stress higher bloodpressure and -10gold wasted ressources

-Also i think the game should force the king to go to the court and listen to the problems. or bring bigger punishments like revolts or controll penalties i mostly skip it with feasts.

 

[kawamuratc]

-Can someone explain me why i should buy friends & foes?

Um, you like events and want more events? It’s very much a DLC that does what it says on the tin: you get a lot of events around friendship and, er, foe-ship.

If you like the idea of it, if you have the disposable income, if you think it’s a fair exchange of value, then it would be a perfectly reasonable thing to buy.

Edit: Like for example the royal cook put too much salt in the food : +10% stress higher bloodpressure and -10gold wasted ressources


-Also i think the game should force the king to go to the court and listen to the problems. or bring bigger punishments like revolts or controll penalties i mostly skip it with feasts.

Maybe a minor health debuff for a few days as you visit the Little Monarch’s Room far too much.

The game does ignore a lot of tedious things that would have been part of a rulers life (no one is making you sit through a daily daily/weekly/monthly Mass event chain where you decide how hard you’re going to fight the urge to nod off).

I dunno if the game should force people. People play in different ways from play through to play through (or even generation to generation). If you think you’d have more fun paying attention to your court, you should make a personal rule that you skip no court events. I make rules about when I’m allowed to use different speeds, for example, as the game is most fun for me on speeds 1 and 2.

 

[Kainser]

The title would only make sense if the heretic religion doesn't become too powerful afterwards. If a ruler invents a new religion and is forced to abdicate in favor of an heir following the orthodoxy, or at least can only hold the realm together by force because every single vassal hates their heretic guts, the title does make sense. If the entire realm converts to the heresy within 5 years, the ruler would be considered a great reformer who ousted the corrupt elites of the old religion from power and returned the religion to its pious roots or whatever.

This is an issue with nicknames in general for this game. A lot of cognomens were awarded or changed posthumously (consider in the discussed example a ruler going from initially being known as "the Heretic" to being known as "the Martyr" after the religion of the area changes) but that is not done at all in CK3 and CK2 only did it with saints.

"The Elder" and "The Younger" were for example common nicknames in medieval Europe when you had two rulers with the same name in short succession but it would only make sense to apply the "the Elder" nickname long after that rulers death.

This is obviously not a huge issue but it is the main reason nicknames in CK have never really aligned with how they worked IRL.

 

[BrotherJonathan]

This is an issue with nicknames in general for this game. A lot of cognomens were awarded or changed posthumously (consider in the discussed example a ruler going from initially being known as "the Heretic" to being known as "the Martyr" after the religion of the area changes) but that is not done at all in CK3 and CK2 only did it with saints.

"The Elder" and "The Younger" were for example common nicknames in medieval Europe when you had two rulers with the same name in short succession but it would only make sense to apply the "the Elder" nickname long after that rulers death.

This is obviously not a huge issue but it is the main reason nicknames in CK have never really aligned with how they worked IRL.

Maybe the devs could try to add some scripts to replicate this if it won't throw off too many other things?

 

[rizeli_533]

Um, you like events and want more events? It’s very much a DLC that does what it says on the tin: you get a lot of events around friendship and, er, foe-ship.

If you like the idea of it, if you have the disposable income, if you think it’s a fair exchange of value, then it would be a perfectly reasonable thing to buy.

Maybe a minor health debuff for a few days as you visit the Little Monarch’s Room far too much.

The game does ignore a lot of tedious things that would have been part of a rulers life (no one is making you sit through a daily daily/weekly/monthly Mass event chain where you decide how hard you’re going to fight the urge to nod off).

I dunno if the game should force people. People play in different ways from play through to play through (or even generation to generation). If you think you’d have more fun paying attention to your court, you should make a personal rule that you skip no court events. I make rules about when I’m allowed to use different speeds, for example, as the game is most fun for me on speeds 1 and 2.

I dont understand why would you skip the main topic of the dlc doesnt make sense to me. With forceing i mean harder punishments for letting the court empty.
And again the events in the royal court are too weak the devs should have put more events for the players. I hope they will add more stuff over time and dont get me wrong i dont think we need daily events. i just want more varieties of events so the player can have new experience in every playthrough.

 

[Arcvalons]

when is next DD?

 

[Duzgun]

Edit : got mixed up sorry!

 

[Tschobo]

My guess is on Tuesday this week or next week. The slot for CK3s dev diary is mostly Tuesday.