Dev Diary #158 - Wandering Nobles

[tribnia]

We have too many lifestyle traits now... Really hoping these careers, including Gallowsbait, Traveler and Pilgram, could be seperated from other traits.

 

[aono]

I also have a concern about trait inflation in a sense of this traits all taking space in trait bar; you can overflow it pretty quickly with congenial, commander and lifestyle traits.

 

[CorsairDraft]

Does the wanderer and/or pilgrim traits gives bonuses to experience gain in the wanderer lifestyle or is there any other way to boost it?

 

[Jon Janosik]

Minor thing but inspections should really grant legitimacy. You’re performing the roles of rulership and making yourself seen which should almost always give legitimacy

 

[Spirit_mert]

I know this is a dev diary about an event pack which is at the end of this chapter, regardless I want to comment it here that after this release for the next chapter, I hope the development focus will shift towards adding and updating more mechanical parts of the game. I'm aware I'm in the minority compared to the rest of the player base who enjoys these events, I think they are overdone and plenty at this point.

Compared to the lack of focus on the core elements of the game. We need more of an enriched experience in warfare, trade and economy, religions, specifically catholicism, more government types, more realm and succession laws, more historical events such as invasions and dynamic events such as civil wars, and rebellions that happen more naturally. I hope the future focus is more set on these lacking parts of the game, and not focused yet again on event packs and roleplay focused gameplay.

I remember the floor tile that was shared a long time ago, and we barely got any updates on the certain mechanics that was addressed to be updated. This grand strategy game is 4 years old at this point and nowhere has the content and detailed strategic gameplay which CK2 had. I know that CK3 is a more generalized, less detailed grand strategy game, but it is still a historical strategy game that should focus more on it.

 

[aadf97799c]

catholic get brewery in church might make some sense

shouldn't everyone always get it in city

tradition should unlock brewery in temple and castle

 

[JP5243]

This looks great, but (as several others have pointed out) breweries being a "Catholic thing" is absolutely bizarre. If it's just intended to represent beer production, that's far better represented being tied to cultures or culture groups (adding vineyards and distilleries as well would be really cool...), while if it just represents alcohol production more generally I don't see why that should be limited to Catholics, or really anyone at all (other than religions or cultures which don't consume alcohol),

Addendum: I do think it would be cool if there was some sort of bonus/modifier with Catholic Churches and breweries to respect the historical connections between the two, just not limiting breweries to Catholic churches.

 

[Athius]

Will this mean stress is now easier to deal with?

Its my main worry reading this: the hike activity would thus mean you lose stress (without paying gold?) further removing the stress gameplay mechanic.

Rather than having to manage it, occasionally gaining bad traits you now have yet another 'remove stress' button. New features invalidating existing game mechanics is an occurring problem within CK3 and I fear the new activity may add to it.

 

[Tschobo]

Could Burial Grounds for Legendary Figures, Conquerora and Saints that you had in a Game be also a place to visit? It would make sense on a certain level.

 

[aadf97799c]

It's a fair response, so we'll most likely change it before launch.

You have to put in a fair amount of lifestyle perk points before you get access to it, and it's not a set success chance on being able to get it, and you will only get it for neighboring rulers of one county at a time. So if this is your way of taking over land, I think you could do it a lot quicker with just warring.

You get it from the traveler trait, and the Wanderer trait path (10% for the trait, and 20% per level in the trait path, to a max of 50%).
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is there any change for seasoned experience gain

it is very hard to get to rank 2 right now

 

[Snow Crystal]

Will this mean stress is now easier to deal with?

Its my main worry reading this: the hike activity would thus mean you lose stress (without paying gold?) further removing the stress gameplay mechanic.

Rather than having to manage it, occasionally gaining bad traits you now have yet another 'remove stress' button. New features invalidating existing game mechanics is an occurring problem within CK3 and I fear the new activity may add to it.

To a certain degree, it means it is somewhat easier to handle stress. But it also means you have invested several perk points into that specific lifestyle tree to handle stress, and that opportunity cost means you haven't invested those points somewhere else. In that sense, it is not like e.g. Feasts or Hunts, which are always open to you, which already handles stress most of the time.

 

[Immortal2]

I know this is a dev diary about an event pack which is at the end of this chapter, regardless I want to comment it here that after this release for the next chapter, I hope the development focus will shift towards adding and updating more mechanical parts of the game. I'm aware I'm in the minority compared to the rest of the player base who enjoys these events, I think they are overdone and plenty at this point.

Compared to the lack of focus on the core elements of the game. We need more of an enriched experience in warfare, trade and economy, religions, specifically catholicism, more government types, more realm and succession laws, more historical events such as invasions and dynamic events such as civil wars, and rebellions that happen more naturally. I hope the future focus is more set on these lacking parts of the game, and not focused yet again on event packs and roleplay focused gameplay.

I remember the floor tile that was shared a long time ago, and we barely got any updates on the certain mechanics that was addressed to be updated. This grand strategy game is 4 years old at this point and nowhere has the content and detailed strategic gameplay which CK2 had. I know that CK3 is a more generalized, less detailed grand strategy game, but it is still a historical strategy game that should focus more on it.

I agree with you

 

[tribnia]

is there any change for seasoned experience gain

it is very hard to get to rank 2 right now

Perhaps putting yourself randomly in danger may help.

 

[bretjemaine]

You have to put in a fair amount of lifestyle perk points before you get access to it, and it's not a set success chance on being able to get it, and you will only get it for neighboring rulers of one county at a time. So if this is your way of taking over land, I think you could do it a lot quicker with just warring.

It still adds together and makes everything even easier.

Can I ask, as you're a/the design lead, are you not concerned at all that every aspect of this game you're adding is making expansion more and more trivial?

I'm not trying to be negative or sarcastic, I appreciate the work you're doing. I would really just like to know whether this something you plan to address in the future with all the great ideas there are in the many threads about this (e.g. a mode with obfuscation, no basic claim fabrication, realistic challenges for ruling a large empire, less modifier stacking for positive opinion and MAA, more realistic punishments for behaviour like breaking betrothals, etc).

 

[Immortal2]

I would like to share some considerations I have:

First I think the wanderer path should gain xp by travelling and not only get a monthly number like the lifestyle path because it isn't really a lifestyle but a specialization in some ways. About the dynamic battle site I think you should get something like the event where a mentor want to teach you and if you do it in a battle site you get a bonus for that trait. From the map shared I think south and east europe are empty compared to Iberia and Great Britain; I suggest adding Catania in Sicily, Assisi in central Italy, Fossa Carolina in Germany, something in Brittany, France is empty and even north Africa, Siwa oasis is an example. Idk in southern part of Africa how is the situation.

 

[Jakuga]

I love that points of interest will be created for battles that happen in-game. Can I ask what will be the logic behind selecting a certain battle over others? Will it be size, how decisive it was for that particular war or something else?

 

[Snow Crystal]

It still adds together and makes everything even easier.

Can I ask, as you're a/the design lead, are you not concerned at all that every aspect of this game you're adding is making expansion more and more trivial?

I'm not trying to be negative or sarcastic, I appreciate the work you're doing. I would really just like to know whether this something you plan to address in the future with all the great ideas there are in the many threads about this (e.g. a mode with obfuscation, no basic claim fabrication, realistic challenges for ruling a large empire, less modifier stacking for positive opinion and MAA, more realistic punishments for behaviour like breaking betrothals, etc).

Not quite the right thread for this, so I'd rather we didn't turn it into a long back and forth conversation derailing the thread, but I will try to answer as best I can.
I guess we can boil the question down to, do I think we need to take steps to make the game more strategically challenging in an immersive way, right? (Correct me if I am wrong here).

I think we do, but I do not feel like these specific changes are at odds with that idea, and I think it's a greater challenge than something that could have been tackled in an event pack.

For this event pack, we are adding activities and lifestyles, and both of them have both an opportunity cost and a gold cost attached to them. For example, you could choose to invest your perks into the Wayfarer tree and unlock the hiking activity so you do not end up super stressed, but in turn, if you are purely looking at expanding your realm, arguably those points could have been better spent in one of the martial trees to give you bonuses at war, or in the stewardship tree to gain more gold or the one to gain more opinion with your vassals. Or any other myriad options.

You can talk about additive features, where you have a new feature that is on top of what already exists in the game, and then you can talk about multiplying the options in a feature that already exists. In this case, we are mostly doing the latter. In that sense, I am not too worried about trivializing the game with this DLC. If there are numbers that are too powerful with the event pack, those can be tuned down to be in line with what already exists.

As for the greater balance of the game, that is something that will be an on-going challenge for a long time to come, I imagine. It is something we are positive about doing, and are trying to set aside time to do, where we can. But it's also challenging in a game with many moving elements.

 

[tilly]

any chance of a ui adjustment to the traits section bundled with this bontent pack? was hoping wed see some kind of click to expand with rtp but no such luck. as is, i usually gotta rely on mods to be able to see my hastiluder trait experience

with more traits and more opportunities to gain traits in this latest dlc and every dlc prior, i feel like its pretty massively overdue, no offence

 

[Flixbube]

I also have a concern about trait inflation in a sense of this traits all taking space in trait bar; you can overflow it pretty quickly with congenial, commander and lifestyle traits.

we really need a trait ui fix from pdx, its so annoying to always need a mod to see traits properly... and sometimes its outdated or doesnt match other mods. please PDX fix this very basic thing

 

[Alssadar]

In contrast to what others are saying, I think it's fine that the Breweries are locked behind the tradition. You can't build them as a feudal lord since you don't control cities (unless you use my The King's Cities/Cities of Kings mod) or bishoprics, so it looks like it'll just be a fun little nod to some cultures who had a particular fondness for beer.

Spoiler: though it would be neat to similarly represent the other drink distributions

I feel, at least, a French/Italian/Spanish sommelier would be most appropriate, with how many monasteries were supported by their vineyards.