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Dev Diary #162 - Steppe by Steppe

Note: You can listen to today's Dev Diary here!

Өглөөний мэнд!

I am here to welcome you to a special kind of Development Diary – It's the first of a series, but the rest will come later and not in the following weeks. We're working on a comprehensive system for the Nomads of the Steppe, and while we are knee-deep in the production of the expansion, we still want to introduce you to the features as soon as possible, with the aim of collecting feedback and acting on it during our approaching iteration phase.

For that reason we are showing screenshots earlier than usual, so do keep in mind that all shown here is still a work in progress.

Therefore, some small caveats:
  • Layouts, visuals, and other aspects of the UI may change as we continue to refine these systems.
  • The map set up is also not final and we are open to feedback.
  • All values and numbers are still subject to balancing, and some of them are mere placeholders while we work on the features.
  • This is an overview of the next DLC. The following Dev Diaries will go more in depth about all features at a later date – we need time to act on the feedback we get from you, so dev diaries for this update will not be releasing weekly just yet.



Nomadic Government

At the core of this update lies the new Nomadic Government. This new government type is heavily inspired by the rulers of the Eurasian Steppe, and puts a heavy emphasis on herd, might, and land.

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[Initial distribution in 1178.]

But what do we mean by that?

Herd

Your cattle and horses are represented by a new currency only available to Nomads called "Herd". In the Steppe, Herd is incredibly valuable and plays a big role in how other Nomads perceive you: it can be used for ransoming, dowry, bribes and even be stolen via a scheme or raiding. It controls who the Cultural Head is and serves as a gate for increasing Dominance (we will talk more about this later in this Diary).

Herd is obtained both through the land by exploiting its Fertility and through your Nomadic subjects via their contracts, since Nomads don't have a stable income. We will talk more in depth about this in the "Land" section below.

One of the main changes when it comes to Nomads is that they do not use levies. Instead, they transform a percentage of their Herd into Horde Riders.

Horde Riders are the most basic type of Men-at-Arms that Nomads have access to. However, these Riders can be then upgraded to better MAAs types, such as Horse Archers, for a cost of gold. These numbers don't come from a vacuum, however; if I want to create 100 Horse Archers, then I will lose 100 Horde Riders as they are converted into the new unit.

Basic Horde Riders don't have an associated maintenance cost, but the other MAAs do in the form of monthly prestige.

We've opted for this change because warring was an essential part of the Steppe life, and levies did not exist per se, as every able warrior would be called when the time was needed. From a more mechanical standpoint, we wanted Nomads to have fewer, but stronger and more significant, MAAs.

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The percentage depicted in the screenshot above represents what percentage of your Herd can be converted into Horde, as not all of them are mounts suitable for war. This percentage can be affected by yurt buildings, dynasty perks, character modifiers and other factors.

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[Extremely WIP, we are aware of some issues like the Maintenance cost not being displayed]

To reflect the importance of your people, the names on a Nomadic map are also different from our regular naming conventions. It is the Borjigin Mongols that move across the map, not the Duchy of Örgöö.

The Cultural Head gets to take the cultural name (The Mongols), while the smaller rulers have a combination of their House Name + Culture (The Borjigin Mongols). To better reflect the dynamics of the Steppe, we have also changed the way that the Cultural Head is selected in Nomadic governments: the ruler with the biggest Herd becomes the Head instead, independently of their title.

The names on the map, as well as this naming convention using culture are still work in progress, and we are open to hear your suggestions.

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[Note that we may remove the "The" to make the titles more readable.]



Might

In the Steppe, might makes right. Titles are not as important as actual strength, and to reflect this we've made a series of changes that only affect Nomads.

Nomadic rulers have access to Dominance, a measurement of their perceived power. Low Dominance implies a relatively insignificant chieftain, while the maximum Dominance represents the rise of Genghis Khan.

Dominance is a fixed scale, a mountain that Nomads have to climb, with each level being a hard-achieved goal that each ruler must work towards. Only those who have a Herd of a significant enough size are allowed to reach the next level.

Dominance affects things such as Vassal and Domain limits, with the lower levels having a very reduced number of both, but with higher levels offering impressive bonuses. Dominance also governs the tiers that you are allowed to target during your migration (more on this in "Land"), access to special Men-at-Arms, title and vassal revocation, settlement outside of the Steppe, flavourful decisions and more.

Obedience

You'll need loyal followers if you're going to take over the world – and it does not matter by what means you've ensured their loyalty.

Obedience is a binary state – either you are obedient or not. Every character that's a subject or courtier has Obedience towards their overlord. Obedience works as a threshold; if a character is below the threshold then they will be unruly, plotting against their overlord or just having general acceptance maluses to various interactions. However, if a character is above the threshold then they will not form factions, start hostile schemes against their liege, and – more importantly – will take their side during the Kurultai succession by voting for whichever heir was your preferred one. The Kurultai is formed by special members of your Council, and having them on your side is extremely important for Nomads.

Obedience is calculated based on several parameters like the relationship with the other character, friendship, their traits and whether you have granted them a Kurultai or Court Position.

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Land

Nomads grow their Herd by extracting Fertility from the land. Thus, migrating becomes an important part of their loop in the early stages of the game, when their realms are not big enough to accommodate the horde.

County Fertility is calculated primarily based on the terrain type. Nomads deplete Fertility of the counties they hold until it stabilises at a fixed number where the Herd can be maintained. This number is mostly affected by the domain size, but Stewardship, dynasty perks, yurt buildings and other character modifiers can affect it.

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Migration

When the Domain Fertility is depleted, it's time to migrate.

Migration targets de jure titles, and the available title tiers you can target depend on your level of Dominance. A Nomadic ruler of Dominance level 2 can only target counties and duchies, whereas someone with level 3 can target kingdoms as well.

This means that smaller rulers should migrate frequently, either find abandoned lands occupied by Herders, or subjugate themselves before bigger rulers. Bigger rulers in the Steppe should, on the other hand, adopt a more sedentary way of life and demand Obedience and Tribute from rulers in their sphere.

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[This panel is subject to reorganizations and reworks.]

The migration screen allows you to negotiate with the local rulers. If two or more independent rulers occupy the same de jure territory, then the ruler with the highest Herd leads the negotiations with you. You can use gold, herd, or a hook to bribe them, and their acceptance depends on their relationship with you, your Dominance level relative to theirs, your Prestige, Prowess, Herd size, their traits, and other minor factors.

If they accept, you will start a travel plan that will take you and your herd to the desired location. If the location had already been suggested by perhaps a courtier you may get some extra bonuses for following the desires of your people.

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However, many nomads may refuse to give up their lands, especially if they have a high level of Dominance and find themselves pretty comfortable where they are. In those cases, one must resort to war.

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[Total soldiers aren't being calculated in this screenshot. Keep in mind that this is from a development build!]

Migration wars allow the attacker to take the lands by means of force.

The targeted ruler will be either displaced to their other lands if they hold any titles outside of the de jure, or be made landless – similar to Administrative Noble Families or Adventurers. While landless, Nomads keep their yurts and upgrades but can't grow their Herd due to the lack of stable access to Fertility. They roam the Steppe in search of a new place to set up their tents.

No matter how you choose to migrate, your Obedient vassals will follow you, while non obedient ones will keep their titles and lands and stay where they were. The lands that you leave behind will be occupied by someone else entirely…

Herders

Nomads are not the only rulers that inhabit the Steppe. A new unplayable government type called "Herder" populates the map with shepherds that wander small counties. Herders replenish Fertility over time, and are extremely easy to displace, given their lack of armies. They are the ones occupying those counties left behind by migrations.

Having a Herder as a subject is still possible, however, and they will pay a small, fixed rate of herd based on their county's fertility.

One may also choose to voluntarily abandon one of their counties to a local herder, in the hopes that they will replenish Fertility quick enough for them to seize it back. The Steppe is not merciful, however, and another Nomad ruler may be faster than you.

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[We indeed have several sheep variations.]



The Great Steppe

Life in the Steppe is not easy, and being at the mercy of the weather and pasture quality is something that nomads have had to adjust to since time immemorial (up to this day, in fact). To reflect this, we've created a seasonal system that governs the general climate of the steppe.

The Great Steppe is divided into three subregions: Western, Central and Eastern, each of them with their own season.

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[Another very WIP screenshot, artpass pending.]

Seasons affect the Fertility of the subregion, as a White Zud creates a thick layer of snow that prevents the animals from grazing, while a more moderate and warm weather offers the perfect climate for pastoring.

That’s not the only effect they have though, as different seasons also change the general mood within Nomads. If a ruler extorts their vassals for Herd during an Abundant Grazing season, then they will receive more than usual, and a Severe Drought will promote characters to migrate even more than usual.

The two special and rare seasons of Havsarsan Zud and the Blessing of the Blue Sky explore these effects even further, with the Blessing amply increasing the Fertility of the subregion and the terrible Havsarsan Zud allowing rulers to take a desperate stance, making all of their subjects obedient and getting an invasion CB on settled people. One of the academic reasons given for the Mongolian Invasion is, after all, the lack of pasture in the Steppe at that point in time.

Your Stargazer can also help predict the next season depending on their aptitude. More on this in upcoming diaries!

The Gurkhan

Only one character in the entire Steppe can go on to the highest level of Dominance and become the Greatest of Khans, but we will provide you with tools to stop them.

The Gurkhan is whoever has the largest Herd within the Great Steppe. They are on their way to reach the highest Dominance and are a threat to all. Confederations may form to target them, while hostile scheming and wars may target them more frequently, and the Gurkhan will have to prove that they deserve their seat.



Your Yurt

Nomads have no buildings. Whatever they build is carried with them when they migrate. To represent this, Nomadic Holdings cannot have any other buildings than some basic corrals, but in turn they have access to a new domicile type: the Yurt Settlement.

Yurt Settlements have a main yurt that can be upgraded internally, and several other specialised buildings that give upgrades to pasture management, warfare, diplomacy, raiding, and more.

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[Names and art are not final]

Tributaries

During this Development Diary, you may have observed my careful use of "Subject" instead of "Vassal", and here is the reason why.

Tributaries are a new and looser type of subject introduced with this expansion. Nomadic Tributaries specifically have some unique qualities to them.

The Tributary Contract governs the levels of Obligations (or Tribute) that they may pay to their Suzerain. While the tribute is being, sent all is well and a truce is held between the two of them. The tributary relationship is even inherited across generations.

However, tributaries may become unruly over time, and if the suzerain doesn't look that threatening to them then they may eventually opt to stop paying tribute. To bring them back into the fold, a former suzerain can bring them back under tribute by force, pacifying them and extracting both resources and prestige to a greater extent.

Nomadic Tributaries offer a payment in herd, while settled tributaries give gold to their Nomadic suzerains.

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[Art and map visualization are still in progress.]

Tributaries can be obtained through a Character Interaction to Demand Tribute or through a Casus Belli. A ruler may also voluntarily offer themselves as Tribute to a Nomadic Ruler to ensure that their lands are spared from destruction.

As with the other features covered in this dev diary, we will do a deep dive on the Tributary system at a later date.

Confederations

With the rise of all these powerful and dangerous khans in the Steppe, lower-tier Nomadic rulers may decide to band together against a bigger enemy through forming a Confederation.

For those in a Confederation, an assault on one member is an affront against all members, so everyone in a Confederation joins defensive wars being fought by fellow members. This potent defensive power is balanced against checks on expansion: as long as they belong to their Confederation, members cannot increase their Dominance or create new titles.

Raid Intents

Raiding is one of the main ways Nomads have to get access to Gold. Given the importance that raiding had in their society, we have decided to expand this feature by adding Raid Intents.

A Raid Intent allows to set a desired outcome of the raiding: you may want to raid to capture interesting characters, steal your neighbors' cattle, or simply burn their property to the ground.

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[Art and names are placeholder, so are the intents themselves as we may change or tweak them.]

Some of the Raid Intents will also be available for Tribal characters, while others need specific Nomadic unlocks.

Nomadic Flavor

Lastly, we are adding a number of new Character Interactions, Decisions, Activity Types, a new Vassal Stance, Events, and more focused on unique Nomadic flavour. Genghis Khan's famous storyline and Mongolian specific events will, of course, also make an appearance.

Expect to see a Kurultai, Blood Brotherhoods, Paizas and Kublai Khan's famous Pleasure Dome. More on this to come.

There are many things that we have left out of this Diary because our focus is on the main mechanical features introduced with this expansion, but we will come back to all of this in more detail in the future.

Thanks for reading. We are eagerly awaiting your thoughts and feedback.
 
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Although this does not really concern nomads, I have not checked for a long time, but there was no opportunity to fish in lakes. The screenshot shows Lake Baikal and it will be a pity that fishing is still not available.
 
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Will Dominance replace Legitimacy for Nomads? it sounds like they overlap in intent.
How will migrations affect the culture map? Would be weird if turkic nomads end up ruling in mongolic lands while the mongolic nomads end up ruling turkic culture lands.
What happens when nomads conquer outside of the steppe?
What happens when through political marriage you end up inheriting a different nomadic clan´s lands even though they are not close to you?
 
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A few things.


Firstly, I have a few ideas for tribal confederations in my sig, which might be useful if you want to differentiate them from nomadic confederations.

Secondly, could tributaries be linked to the hostage mechanic (or the latter used to strengthen that mechanic) and could raiding for hostages be included as an intent?
 
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A quick question here.
Will there be a new start date for this update?
 
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Please make Culture Acceptance a heavy modifier on Marriage Acceptance (it currently has no impact on it)! After 150+ years, the center of the map is infested with marriages that make no sense, that lead to very odd-looking children (the Character models do not handle drastic DNA mixes well).

Please, no more Greek Byzantine emperors married to Steppe-culture counts who just happened to convert to Christian Orthodoxy.
Please, no more German Crusader characters in the Levant married to Nubian Coptic wifes...

I honestly stopped playing CK3 because of this. I just can't take the in-game world seriously once this starts happening all over Asia Minor and the Levant.

By all means, add Nomads, but also please take the time to make sure your are creating a believable and plausible world.
 
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Honestly it's just an engine limitation. Every county must always have a holder—the game does not support uninhabited counties. Shepherds exist to be placeholders for "empty" territory. They presumably preferred this to having some kind of pseudo-character like ASOIAF does with ruins, which is kind of janky.

I don't think so. CK3 is the same engine as Imperator, and Imperator has empty colonizable counties in the Steppe. I would like the addition of empty colonizable counties (for non-nomads) in CK3, and it would also benefit some mods greatly like AGOT.
 
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(1) How often in your testruns do nomads carve out a real steppe empire that also subjugates feudal / tribal realms?
(2) Have you thought about making the Anatolian plateau a suitable region for nomads? It was especially the attractiveness of its pastures, which led the Turks there to kick out the Byzantines from there. Could enhance Byzantine gameplay tremendously, if you could plausibly simulate the threat they faced by Turkish nomads pressing onto the plateau.
 
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I don't know if someone didn't mention it, but I think Sami culture characters also should be considered as being of herders government.
And I agree with someone else that pastoralists is a more fitting name than herders.
 
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(1) How often in your testruns do nomads carve out a real steppe empire that also subjugates feudal / tribal realms?
(2) Have you thought about making the Anatolian plateau a suitable region for nomads? It was especially the attractiveness of its pastures, which led the Turks there to kick out the Byzantines from there. Could enhance Byzantine gameplay tremendously, if you could plausibly simulate the threat they faced by Turkish nomads pressing onto the plateau.
2 could be one of the decisions to expand the steppe they mentioned
 
I don't think so. CK3 is the same engine as Imperator, and Imperator has empty colonizable counties in the Steppe. I would like the addition of empty colonizable counties (for non-nomads) in CK3, and it would also benefit some mods greatly like AGOT.
It is indeed due to a technical limitation. Implementing Nomads in CK2 with "empty" holdings caused a whole lot of problems down the line until the very end of its days. The tech team assessed that it would be too much of a risk to do and we would have to account for that in every single system we have now and in all of those we may add later. Herders were created to tackle this issue in a way that our engine would better support. As it has been pointed up above in this thread they are meant to represent smaller and sparse communities rather than the big Nomadic societies that we label as "nomads".

They are called "Shepherds" in game but we can change the name from script to Pastoralists, I think that'd be more fitting, so thanks for the suggestion.
A quick question here.
Will there be a new start date for this update?
No new star date but two new bookmarks for 1066 and 1178.
So how will it work for wars since the capital seems to be the movable yurt and as far as I know the AI cannot besiege this "unlanded" property. Will all the war score be based on won battles ?
Nomads have a small, non upgradable building that marks their capital as their Nomadic Settlement. That's what can be sieged in wars and raided.
 
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It is indeed due to a technical limitation. Implementing Nomads in CK2 with "empty" holdings caused a whole lot of problems down the line until the very end of its days. The tech team assessed that it would be too much of a risk to do and we would have to account for that in every single system we have now and in all of those we may add later. Herders were created to tackle this issue in a way that our engine would better support. As it has been pointed up above in this thread they are meant to represent smaller and sparse communities rather than the big Nomadic societies that we label as "nomads".

They are called "Shepherds" in game but we can change the name from script to Pastoralists, I think that'd be more fitting, so thanks for the suggestion.

No new star date but two new bookmarks for 1066 and 1178.

Nomads have a small, non upgradable building that marks their capital as their Nomadic Settlement. That's what can be sieged in wars and raided.
Can we have real settled capitals like the Mongols had on Karakorum,Khanbaliq,the Gokturks before on Otuken or the Khazars at Itil ?
 
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The borders of the Steppe are still very much up for consideration (as most things in this DD are). We will take this into account and make the changes we deem needed.
Wait, does this mean the "playground" of the horse lord is hardcoded ?
What if the hordes push west and raze everything to the ground ? Will Europe be a new nomade place with fertility, weather and such, or will the implacable C++ say "no" ?

Or maybe this is just a geographical thing and i'm mistaken ?
I am anyway hoping that we could create some french/castillan nomads at one point, if we migrate hard enough
 
At least in theory, a Confederation should be able to transform into a Realm through one member of the Confederacy attaining a far greater dominance than the other members.
 
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