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Dev Diary #162 - Steppe by Steppe

Note: You can listen to today's Dev Diary here!

Өглөөний мэнд!

I am here to welcome you to a special kind of Development Diary – It's the first of a series, but the rest will come later and not in the following weeks. We're working on a comprehensive system for the Nomads of the Steppe, and while we are knee-deep in the production of the expansion, we still want to introduce you to the features as soon as possible, with the aim of collecting feedback and acting on it during our approaching iteration phase.

For that reason we are showing screenshots earlier than usual, so do keep in mind that all shown here is still a work in progress.

Therefore, some small caveats:
  • Layouts, visuals, and other aspects of the UI may change as we continue to refine these systems.
  • The map set up is also not final and we are open to feedback.
  • All values and numbers are still subject to balancing, and some of them are mere placeholders while we work on the features.
  • This is an overview of the next DLC. The following Dev Diaries will go more in depth about all features at a later date – we need time to act on the feedback we get from you, so dev diaries for this update will not be releasing weekly just yet.



Nomadic Government

At the core of this update lies the new Nomadic Government. This new government type is heavily inspired by the rulers of the Eurasian Steppe, and puts a heavy emphasis on herd, might, and land.

image-01.png

[Initial distribution in 1178.]

But what do we mean by that?

Herd

Your cattle and horses are represented by a new currency only available to Nomads called "Herd". In the Steppe, Herd is incredibly valuable and plays a big role in how other Nomads perceive you: it can be used for ransoming, dowry, bribes and even be stolen via a scheme or raiding. It controls who the Cultural Head is and serves as a gate for increasing Dominance (we will talk more about this later in this Diary).

Herd is obtained both through the land by exploiting its Fertility and through your Nomadic subjects via their contracts, since Nomads don't have a stable income. We will talk more in depth about this in the "Land" section below.

One of the main changes when it comes to Nomads is that they do not use levies. Instead, they transform a percentage of their Herd into Horde Riders.

Horde Riders are the most basic type of Men-at-Arms that Nomads have access to. However, these Riders can be then upgraded to better MAAs types, such as Horse Archers, for a cost of gold. These numbers don't come from a vacuum, however; if I want to create 100 Horse Archers, then I will lose 100 Horde Riders as they are converted into the new unit.

Basic Horde Riders don't have an associated maintenance cost, but the other MAAs do in the form of monthly prestige.

We've opted for this change because warring was an essential part of the Steppe life, and levies did not exist per se, as every able warrior would be called when the time was needed. From a more mechanical standpoint, we wanted Nomads to have fewer, but stronger and more significant, MAAs.

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The percentage depicted in the screenshot above represents what percentage of your Herd can be converted into Horde, as not all of them are mounts suitable for war. This percentage can be affected by yurt buildings, dynasty perks, character modifiers and other factors.

image-03.png

[Extremely WIP, we are aware of some issues like the Maintenance cost not being displayed]

To reflect the importance of your people, the names on a Nomadic map are also different from our regular naming conventions. It is the Borjigin Mongols that move across the map, not the Duchy of Örgöö.

The Cultural Head gets to take the cultural name (The Mongols), while the smaller rulers have a combination of their House Name + Culture (The Borjigin Mongols). To better reflect the dynamics of the Steppe, we have also changed the way that the Cultural Head is selected in Nomadic governments: the ruler with the biggest Herd becomes the Head instead, independently of their title.

The names on the map, as well as this naming convention using culture are still work in progress, and we are open to hear your suggestions.

image-04.png

[Note that we may remove the "The" to make the titles more readable.]



Might

In the Steppe, might makes right. Titles are not as important as actual strength, and to reflect this we've made a series of changes that only affect Nomads.

Nomadic rulers have access to Dominance, a measurement of their perceived power. Low Dominance implies a relatively insignificant chieftain, while the maximum Dominance represents the rise of Genghis Khan.

Dominance is a fixed scale, a mountain that Nomads have to climb, with each level being a hard-achieved goal that each ruler must work towards. Only those who have a Herd of a significant enough size are allowed to reach the next level.

Dominance affects things such as Vassal and Domain limits, with the lower levels having a very reduced number of both, but with higher levels offering impressive bonuses. Dominance also governs the tiers that you are allowed to target during your migration (more on this in "Land"), access to special Men-at-Arms, title and vassal revocation, settlement outside of the Steppe, flavourful decisions and more.

Obedience

You'll need loyal followers if you're going to take over the world – and it does not matter by what means you've ensured their loyalty.

Obedience is a binary state – either you are obedient or not. Every character that's a subject or courtier has Obedience towards their overlord. Obedience works as a threshold; if a character is below the threshold then they will be unruly, plotting against their overlord or just having general acceptance maluses to various interactions. However, if a character is above the threshold then they will not form factions, start hostile schemes against their liege, and – more importantly – will take their side during the Kurultai succession by voting for whichever heir was your preferred one. The Kurultai is formed by special members of your Council, and having them on your side is extremely important for Nomads.

Obedience is calculated based on several parameters like the relationship with the other character, friendship, their traits and whether you have granted them a Kurultai or Court Position.

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Land

Nomads grow their Herd by extracting Fertility from the land. Thus, migrating becomes an important part of their loop in the early stages of the game, when their realms are not big enough to accommodate the horde.

County Fertility is calculated primarily based on the terrain type. Nomads deplete Fertility of the counties they hold until it stabilises at a fixed number where the Herd can be maintained. This number is mostly affected by the domain size, but Stewardship, dynasty perks, yurt buildings and other character modifiers can affect it.

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Migration

When the Domain Fertility is depleted, it's time to migrate.

Migration targets de jure titles, and the available title tiers you can target depend on your level of Dominance. A Nomadic ruler of Dominance level 2 can only target counties and duchies, whereas someone with level 3 can target kingdoms as well.

This means that smaller rulers should migrate frequently, either find abandoned lands occupied by Herders, or subjugate themselves before bigger rulers. Bigger rulers in the Steppe should, on the other hand, adopt a more sedentary way of life and demand Obedience and Tribute from rulers in their sphere.

image-07.png

[This panel is subject to reorganizations and reworks.]

The migration screen allows you to negotiate with the local rulers. If two or more independent rulers occupy the same de jure territory, then the ruler with the highest Herd leads the negotiations with you. You can use gold, herd, or a hook to bribe them, and their acceptance depends on their relationship with you, your Dominance level relative to theirs, your Prestige, Prowess, Herd size, their traits, and other minor factors.

If they accept, you will start a travel plan that will take you and your herd to the desired location. If the location had already been suggested by perhaps a courtier you may get some extra bonuses for following the desires of your people.

image-08.png


However, many nomads may refuse to give up their lands, especially if they have a high level of Dominance and find themselves pretty comfortable where they are. In those cases, one must resort to war.

image-09.png

[Total soldiers aren't being calculated in this screenshot. Keep in mind that this is from a development build!]

Migration wars allow the attacker to take the lands by means of force.

The targeted ruler will be either displaced to their other lands if they hold any titles outside of the de jure, or be made landless – similar to Administrative Noble Families or Adventurers. While landless, Nomads keep their yurts and upgrades but can't grow their Herd due to the lack of stable access to Fertility. They roam the Steppe in search of a new place to set up their tents.

No matter how you choose to migrate, your Obedient vassals will follow you, while non obedient ones will keep their titles and lands and stay where they were. The lands that you leave behind will be occupied by someone else entirely…

Herders

Nomads are not the only rulers that inhabit the Steppe. A new unplayable government type called "Herder" populates the map with shepherds that wander small counties. Herders replenish Fertility over time, and are extremely easy to displace, given their lack of armies. They are the ones occupying those counties left behind by migrations.

Having a Herder as a subject is still possible, however, and they will pay a small, fixed rate of herd based on their county's fertility.

One may also choose to voluntarily abandon one of their counties to a local herder, in the hopes that they will replenish Fertility quick enough for them to seize it back. The Steppe is not merciful, however, and another Nomad ruler may be faster than you.

image-10.png

[We indeed have several sheep variations.]



The Great Steppe

Life in the Steppe is not easy, and being at the mercy of the weather and pasture quality is something that nomads have had to adjust to since time immemorial (up to this day, in fact). To reflect this, we've created a seasonal system that governs the general climate of the steppe.

The Great Steppe is divided into three subregions: Western, Central and Eastern, each of them with their own season.

image-11.png

[Another very WIP screenshot, artpass pending.]

Seasons affect the Fertility of the subregion, as a White Zud creates a thick layer of snow that prevents the animals from grazing, while a more moderate and warm weather offers the perfect climate for pastoring.

That’s not the only effect they have though, as different seasons also change the general mood within Nomads. If a ruler extorts their vassals for Herd during an Abundant Grazing season, then they will receive more than usual, and a Severe Drought will promote characters to migrate even more than usual.

The two special and rare seasons of Havsarsan Zud and the Blessing of the Blue Sky explore these effects even further, with the Blessing amply increasing the Fertility of the subregion and the terrible Havsarsan Zud allowing rulers to take a desperate stance, making all of their subjects obedient and getting an invasion CB on settled people. One of the academic reasons given for the Mongolian Invasion is, after all, the lack of pasture in the Steppe at that point in time.

Your Stargazer can also help predict the next season depending on their aptitude. More on this in upcoming diaries!

The Gurkhan

Only one character in the entire Steppe can go on to the highest level of Dominance and become the Greatest of Khans, but we will provide you with tools to stop them.

The Gurkhan is whoever has the largest Herd within the Great Steppe. They are on their way to reach the highest Dominance and are a threat to all. Confederations may form to target them, while hostile scheming and wars may target them more frequently, and the Gurkhan will have to prove that they deserve their seat.



Your Yurt

Nomads have no buildings. Whatever they build is carried with them when they migrate. To represent this, Nomadic Holdings cannot have any other buildings than some basic corrals, but in turn they have access to a new domicile type: the Yurt Settlement.

Yurt Settlements have a main yurt that can be upgraded internally, and several other specialised buildings that give upgrades to pasture management, warfare, diplomacy, raiding, and more.

image-12.png

[Names and art are not final]

Tributaries

During this Development Diary, you may have observed my careful use of "Subject" instead of "Vassal", and here is the reason why.

Tributaries are a new and looser type of subject introduced with this expansion. Nomadic Tributaries specifically have some unique qualities to them.

The Tributary Contract governs the levels of Obligations (or Tribute) that they may pay to their Suzerain. While the tribute is being, sent all is well and a truce is held between the two of them. The tributary relationship is even inherited across generations.

However, tributaries may become unruly over time, and if the suzerain doesn't look that threatening to them then they may eventually opt to stop paying tribute. To bring them back into the fold, a former suzerain can bring them back under tribute by force, pacifying them and extracting both resources and prestige to a greater extent.

Nomadic Tributaries offer a payment in herd, while settled tributaries give gold to their Nomadic suzerains.

image-13.png

image-14.png

[Art and map visualization are still in progress.]

Tributaries can be obtained through a Character Interaction to Demand Tribute or through a Casus Belli. A ruler may also voluntarily offer themselves as Tribute to a Nomadic Ruler to ensure that their lands are spared from destruction.

As with the other features covered in this dev diary, we will do a deep dive on the Tributary system at a later date.

Confederations

With the rise of all these powerful and dangerous khans in the Steppe, lower-tier Nomadic rulers may decide to band together against a bigger enemy through forming a Confederation.

For those in a Confederation, an assault on one member is an affront against all members, so everyone in a Confederation joins defensive wars being fought by fellow members. This potent defensive power is balanced against checks on expansion: as long as they belong to their Confederation, members cannot increase their Dominance or create new titles.

Raid Intents

Raiding is one of the main ways Nomads have to get access to Gold. Given the importance that raiding had in their society, we have decided to expand this feature by adding Raid Intents.

A Raid Intent allows to set a desired outcome of the raiding: you may want to raid to capture interesting characters, steal your neighbors' cattle, or simply burn their property to the ground.

image-15.png

[Art and names are placeholder, so are the intents themselves as we may change or tweak them.]

Some of the Raid Intents will also be available for Tribal characters, while others need specific Nomadic unlocks.

Nomadic Flavor

Lastly, we are adding a number of new Character Interactions, Decisions, Activity Types, a new Vassal Stance, Events, and more focused on unique Nomadic flavour. Genghis Khan's famous storyline and Mongolian specific events will, of course, also make an appearance.

Expect to see a Kurultai, Blood Brotherhoods, Paizas and Kublai Khan's famous Pleasure Dome. More on this to come.

There are many things that we have left out of this Diary because our focus is on the main mechanical features introduced with this expansion, but we will come back to all of this in more detail in the future.

Thanks for reading. We are eagerly awaiting your thoughts and feedback.
 
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this is too mongol based, it's as if someone refuses to give Turkic based content even though Turks were the OG nomads. They should add a special Turkic Khaganate empire tier title with unique government with Kurultai and unique succession that divides empire in two (west and east) with the primary heir always getting the east regardless of the size of the empire until they invest in "Turkic Reformations" to make their people become more settled and thus empire no longer splits in two anymore and change the government from Nomadic to unique clan variant that still has Kurultai benefits which grants cultural acceptance bonus to symbolize Turkic tribes mixing with the locals when they abolish nomadic ways. Come on Paradox, give some unique content for Turkic cultures too.
 
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this is too mongol based, it's as if someone refuses to give Turkic based content even though Turks were the OG nomads. They should add a special Turkic Khaganate empire tier title with unique government with Kurultai and unique succession that divides empire in two (west and east) with the primary heir always getting the east regardless of the size of the empire until they invest in "Turkic Reformations" to make their people become more settled and thus empire no longer splits in two anymore and change the government from Nomadic to unique clan variant that still has Kurultai benefits which grants cultural acceptance bonus to symbolize Turkic tribes mixing with the locals when they abolish nomadic ways. Come on Paradox, give some unique content for Turkic cultures too.
Be aware that Kirghiz Khaganate in 867 already holds 91 counties. If a Turkic Khaganate decision requires just the same as Mongol Empire, which means 100 counties, the only thing that would stop him will be his prestige.
BTW, Turkic Khaganate wasn't split on succession. Tumen the founder of Eastern Turkic Khagante and Istemi the founder of Western Turkic Khaganate were actually brothers. Prior to the brothers, the core tribe of Turkic Khaganate, or Gokturks, are a weak tribe in Altai mountains serving as blacksmith for Rouran Khagans.
 
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The whole thing looks cool, and i'm sure you have your reasons to keep this gameplay hardcoded on certain regions.

But it is really painful to learn that nomads will not be able to "nomadify" the west and export their mechanics as they plunder and raze their way. It's not like we absolutely cannot play without the slight potentiality of an Occitanian nomad horde, but it makes the game much, much more immersive and dynamic.

Learning that nomads cannot just use the local farmlands to live on the saddle, just because they're "off limit" of the planned "game room", feels really gamey. And i hope you will change it.
 
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I don't want to make things more difficult, but weren't the Magyars still a nomadic people in the Carpathian basin? Their armies in the 9th century were almost all horse archers. The Carpathian basin was a prime grazing area for nomads needing a base from which to raid Europe prior to the Magyars. In fact, the Avars had just been defeated by the Franks some decades before the Magyars invaded the Pannonian Plains. Attila had used the Carpathian basin for his nomadic base too. I don't know much about the area, but maybe it could do with some steppe counties to provide pasturage for herds? Maybe it's a special case, since I'm sure the basin does eventually become a sedentary setting with time and the Magyars evolve into the Hungarians.
I think the devs said something about a decision that extends steppe mechanics to the Carpathian basin.
 
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Note: You can listen to today's Dev Diary here!

Өглөөний мэнд!

I am here to welcome you to a special kind of Development Diary – It's the first of a series, but the rest will come later and not in the following weeks. We're working on a comprehensive system for the Nomads of the Steppe, and while we are knee-deep in the production of the expansion, we still want to introduce you to the features as soon as possible, with the aim of collecting feedback and acting on it during our approaching iteration phase.

For that reason we are showing screenshots earlier than usual, so do keep in mind that all shown here is still a work in progress.

Therefore, some small caveats:
  • Layouts, visuals, and other aspects of the UI may change as we continue to refine these systems.
  • The map set up is also not final and we are open to feedback.
  • All values and numbers are still subject to balancing, and some of them are mere placeholders while we work on the features.
  • This is an overview of the next DLC. The following Dev Diaries will go more in depth about all features at a later date – we need time to act on the feedback we get from you, so dev diaries for this update will not be releasing weekly just yet.



Nomadic Government

At the core of this update lies the new Nomadic Government. This new government type is heavily inspired by the rulers of the Eurasian Steppe, and puts a heavy emphasis on herd, might, and land.

View attachment 1252734
[Initial distribution in 1178.]

But what do we mean by that?

Herd

Your cattle and horses are represented by a new currency only available to Nomads called "Herd". In the Steppe, Herd is incredibly valuable and plays a big role in how other Nomads perceive you: it can be used for ransoming, dowry, bribes and even be stolen via a scheme or raiding. It controls who the Cultural Head is and serves as a gate for increasing Dominance (we will talk more about this later in this Diary).

Herd is obtained both through the land by exploiting its Fertility and through your Nomadic subjects via their contracts, since Nomads don't have a stable income. We will talk more in depth about this in the "Land" section below.

One of the main changes when it comes to Nomads is that they do not use levies. Instead, they transform a percentage of their Herd into Horde Riders.

Horde Riders are the most basic type of Men-at-Arms that Nomads have access to. However, these Riders can be then upgraded to better MAAs types, such as Horse Archers, for a cost of gold. These numbers don't come from a vacuum, however; if I want to create 100 Horse Archers, then I will lose 100 Horde Riders as they are converted into the new unit.

Basic Horde Riders don't have an associated maintenance cost, but the other MAAs do in the form of monthly prestige.

We've opted for this change because warring was an essential part of the Steppe life, and levies did not exist per se, as every able warrior would be called when the time was needed. From a more mechanical standpoint, we wanted Nomads to have fewer, but stronger and more significant, MAAs.

View attachment 1252735

The percentage depicted in the screenshot above represents what percentage of your Herd can be converted into Horde, as not all of them are mounts suitable for war. This percentage can be affected by yurt buildings, dynasty perks, character modifiers and other factors.

View attachment 1252736
[Extremely WIP, we are aware of some issues like the Maintenance cost not being displayed]

To reflect the importance of your people, the names on a Nomadic map are also different from our regular naming conventions. It is the Borjigin Mongols that move across the map, not the Duchy of Örgöö.

The Cultural Head gets to take the cultural name (The Mongols), while the smaller rulers have a combination of their House Name + Culture (The Borjigin Mongols). To better reflect the dynamics of the Steppe, we have also changed the way that the Cultural Head is selected in Nomadic governments: the ruler with the biggest Herd becomes the Head instead, independently of their title.

The names on the map, as well as this naming convention using culture are still work in progress, and we are open to hear your suggestions.

View attachment 1252737
[Note that we may remove the "The" to make the titles more readable.]



Might

In the Steppe, might makes right. Titles are not as important as actual strength, and to reflect this we've made a series of changes that only affect Nomads.

Nomadic rulers have access to Dominance, a measurement of their perceived power. Low Dominance implies a relatively insignificant chieftain, while the maximum Dominance represents the rise of Genghis Khan.

Dominance is a fixed scale, a mountain that Nomads have to climb, with each level being a hard-achieved goal that each ruler must work towards. Only those who have a Herd of a significant enough size are allowed to reach the next level.

Dominance affects things such as Vassal and Domain limits, with the lower levels having a very reduced number of both, but with higher levels offering impressive bonuses. Dominance also governs the tiers that you are allowed to target during your migration (more on this in "Land"), access to special Men-at-Arms, title and vassal revocation, settlement outside of the Steppe, flavourful decisions and more.

Obedience

You'll need loyal followers if you're going to take over the world – and it does not matter by what means you've ensured their loyalty.

Obedience is a binary state – either you are obedient or not. Every character that's a subject or courtier has Obedience towards their overlord. Obedience works as a threshold; if a character is below the threshold then they will be unruly, plotting against their overlord or just having general acceptance maluses to various interactions. However, if a character is above the threshold then they will not form factions, start hostile schemes against their liege, and – more importantly – will take their side during the Kurultai succession by voting for whichever heir was your preferred one. The Kurultai is formed by special members of your Council, and having them on your side is extremely important for Nomads.

Obedience is calculated based on several parameters like the relationship with the other character, friendship, their traits and whether you have granted them a Kurultai or Court Position.

View attachment 1252738



Land

Nomads grow their Herd by extracting Fertility from the land. Thus, migrating becomes an important part of their loop in the early stages of the game, when their realms are not big enough to accommodate the horde.

County Fertility is calculated primarily based on the terrain type. Nomads deplete Fertility of the counties they hold until it stabilises at a fixed number where the Herd can be maintained. This number is mostly affected by the domain size, but Stewardship, dynasty perks, yurt buildings and other character modifiers can affect it.

View attachment 1252739

Migration

When the Domain Fertility is depleted, it's time to migrate.

Migration targets de jure titles, and the available title tiers you can target depend on your level of Dominance. A Nomadic ruler of Dominance level 2 can only target counties and duchies, whereas someone with level 3 can target kingdoms as well.

This means that smaller rulers should migrate frequently, either find abandoned lands occupied by Herders, or subjugate themselves before bigger rulers. Bigger rulers in the Steppe should, on the other hand, adopt a more sedentary way of life and demand Obedience and Tribute from rulers in their sphere.

View attachment 1252740
[This panel is subject to reorganizations and reworks.]

The migration screen allows you to negotiate with the local rulers. If two or more independent rulers occupy the same de jure territory, then the ruler with the highest Herd leads the negotiations with you. You can use gold, herd, or a hook to bribe them, and their acceptance depends on their relationship with you, your Dominance level relative to theirs, your Prestige, Prowess, Herd size, their traits, and other minor factors.

If they accept, you will start a travel plan that will take you and your herd to the desired location. If the location had already been suggested by perhaps a courtier you may get some extra bonuses for following the desires of your people.

View attachment 1252741

However, many nomads may refuse to give up their lands, especially if they have a high level of Dominance and find themselves pretty comfortable where they are. In those cases, one must resort to war.

View attachment 1252742
[Total soldiers aren't being calculated in this screenshot. Keep in mind that this is from a development build!]

Migration wars allow the attacker to take the lands by means of force.

The targeted ruler will be either displaced to their other lands if they hold any titles outside of the de jure, or be made landless – similar to Administrative Noble Families or Adventurers. While landless, Nomads keep their yurts and upgrades but can't grow their Herd due to the lack of stable access to Fertility. They roam the Steppe in search of a new place to set up their tents.

No matter how you choose to migrate, your Obedient vassals will follow you, while non obedient ones will keep their titles and lands and stay where they were. The lands that you leave behind will be occupied by someone else entirely…

Herders

Nomads are not the only rulers that inhabit the Steppe. A new unplayable government type called "Herder" populates the map with shepherds that wander small counties. Herders replenish Fertility over time, and are extremely easy to displace, given their lack of armies. They are the ones occupying those counties left behind by migrations.

Having a Herder as a subject is still possible, however, and they will pay a small, fixed rate of herd based on their county's fertility.

One may also choose to voluntarily abandon one of their counties to a local herder, in the hopes that they will replenish Fertility quick enough for them to seize it back. The Steppe is not merciful, however, and another Nomad ruler may be faster than you.

View attachment 1252743
[We indeed have several sheep variations.]



The Great Steppe

Life in the Steppe is not easy, and being at the mercy of the weather and pasture quality is something that nomads have had to adjust to since time immemorial (up to this day, in fact). To reflect this, we've created a seasonal system that governs the general climate of the steppe.

The Great Steppe is divided into three subregions: Western, Central and Eastern, each of them with their own season.

View attachment 1252744
[Another very WIP screenshot, artpass pending.]

Seasons affect the Fertility of the subregion, as a White Zud creates a thick layer of snow that prevents the animals from grazing, while a more moderate and warm weather offers the perfect climate for pastoring.

That’s not the only effect they have though, as different seasons also change the general mood within Nomads. If a ruler extorts their vassals for Herd during an Abundant Grazing season, then they will receive more than usual, and a Severe Drought will promote characters to migrate even more than usual.

The two special and rare seasons of Havsarsan Zud and the Blessing of the Blue Sky explore these effects even further, with the Blessing amply increasing the Fertility of the subregion and the terrible Havsarsan Zud allowing rulers to take a desperate stance, making all of their subjects obedient and getting an invasion CB on settled people. One of the academic reasons given for the Mongolian Invasion is, after all, the lack of pasture in the Steppe at that point in time.

Your Stargazer can also help predict the next season depending on their aptitude. More on this in upcoming diaries!

The Gurkhan

Only one character in the entire Steppe can go on to the highest level of Dominance and become the Greatest of Khans, but we will provide you with tools to stop them.

The Gurkhan is whoever has the largest Herd within the Great Steppe. They are on their way to reach the highest Dominance and are a threat to all. Confederations may form to target them, while hostile scheming and wars may target them more frequently, and the Gurkhan will have to prove that they deserve their seat.



Your Yurt

Nomads have no buildings. Whatever they build is carried with them when they migrate. To represent this, Nomadic Holdings cannot have any other buildings than some basic corrals, but in turn they have access to a new domicile type: the Yurt Settlement.

Yurt Settlements have a main yurt that can be upgraded internally, and several other specialised buildings that give upgrades to pasture management, warfare, diplomacy, raiding, and more.

View attachment 1252745
[Names and art are not final]

Tributaries

During this Development Diary, you may have observed my careful use of "Subject" instead of "Vassal", and here is the reason why.

Tributaries are a new and looser type of subject introduced with this expansion. Nomadic Tributaries specifically have some unique qualities to them.

The Tributary Contract governs the levels of Obligations (or Tribute) that they may pay to their Suzerain. While the tribute is being, sent all is well and a truce is held between the two of them. The tributary relationship is even inherited across generations.

However, tributaries may become unruly over time, and if the suzerain doesn't look that threatening to them then they may eventually opt to stop paying tribute. To bring them back into the fold, a former suzerain can bring them back under tribute by force, pacifying them and extracting both resources and prestige to a greater extent.

Nomadic Tributaries offer a payment in herd, while settled tributaries give gold to their Nomadic suzerains.

View attachment 1252746
View attachment 1252747
[Art and map visualization are still in progress.]

Tributaries can be obtained through a Character Interaction to Demand Tribute or through a Casus Belli. A ruler may also voluntarily offer themselves as Tribute to a Nomadic Ruler to ensure that their lands are spared from destruction.

As with the other features covered in this dev diary, we will do a deep dive on the Tributary system at a later date.

Confederations

With the rise of all these powerful and dangerous khans in the Steppe, lower-tier Nomadic rulers may decide to band together against a bigger enemy through forming a Confederation.

For those in a Confederation, an assault on one member is an affront against all members, so everyone in a Confederation joins defensive wars being fought by fellow members. This potent defensive power is balanced against checks on expansion: as long as they belong to their Confederation, members cannot increase their Dominance or create new titles.

Raid Intents

Raiding is one of the main ways Nomads have to get access to Gold. Given the importance that raiding had in their society, we have decided to expand this feature by adding Raid Intents.

A Raid Intent allows to set a desired outcome of the raiding: you may want to raid to capture interesting characters, steal your neighbors' cattle, or simply burn their property to the ground.

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[Art and names are placeholder, so are the intents themselves as we may change or tweak them.]

Some of the Raid Intents will also be available for Tribal characters, while others need specific Nomadic unlocks.

Nomadic Flavor

Lastly, we are adding a number of new Character Interactions, Decisions, Activity Types, a new Vassal Stance, Events, and more focused on unique Nomadic flavour. Genghis Khan's famous storyline and Mongolian specific events will, of course, also make an appearance.

Expect to see a Kurultai, Blood Brotherhoods, Paizas and Kublai Khan's famous Pleasure Dome. More on this to come.

There are many things that we have left out of this Diary because our focus is on the main mechanical features introduced with this expansion, but we will come back to all of this in more detail in the future.

Thanks for reading. We are eagerly awaiting your thoughts and feedback.
This piece is not for me.
 
Will the Herder government be present in Wales across all bookmarks?
Lots of people laughing at this, ha ha, sheepshaggers, etc. But transhumance farming was really important for rural Wales for many centuries, and has left its mark on the landscape in the form of the many places named 'Hafod' and 'Hendre(f)'. So it's not ridiculous to suggest that a more granular map might have herders in Wales. I think at the existing scale of granularity, though, we have more than enough historical holders for Welsh provinces.
I am NOT advocating for a China expansion; but how is this dlc going to handle potential map expansion, as currently large parts of the Steppe are missing from the map. It will be hard to simulate the Steppe well without adding Inner Mongolia, Western Gansu, Manchuria and especially Korchin. I don't think China should be added, but it's peripheries were also part of the Steppe and are important for a Steppe expansion. In fact parts of Gansu are already in the game and have Han culture, so expanding the map up to the Great wall isn't the most far fetched idea.

Also it would be great to expand the map just slightly North, to include a bit more of Siberia, as currently the map stops North of Krasnoyarsk, leaving out much of Khanty-Mansi Okrug and Tomsk, Irkutsk and Krasnoyarsk Oblasts. Not all of Siberia should be added, but currently the map stops at around 55° North, raising it up to 60° isn't that massive a change. But importantly it would add many areas which frequently interacted with the Steppe, but are omitted from CK3.

TLDR; Expand the map to include all of the Eastern Steppe, without adding China.
I strongly agree with the logic for expanding the Steppe here, but I don't endorse the 'and no China' bit. I'd want to see the Steppe expanded with or without China, and I would be happy to see China added - which I would expect would also lead to the proposed Steppe expansion, wether or not the nomad development were happening.
4. We are in talks to add other Nomads in the world as a game rule, as so many people have been requested it. It's a bit more work than what we did for Admin, as we need to create a "Sahara Region" (and more) and set up Fertility there, but it seems likely that it will happen.
This is excellent news, and I really hope it bears fruit.

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The whole thing looks cool, and i'm sure you have your reasons to keep this gameplay hardcoded on certain regions.

But it is really painful to learn that nomads will not be able to "nomadify" the west and export their mechanics as they plunder and raze their way. It's not like we absolutely cannot play without the slight potentiality of an Occitanian nomad horde, but it makes the game much, much more immersive and dynamic.

Learning that nomads cannot just use the local farmlands to live on the saddle, just because they're "off limit" of the planned "game room", feels really gamey. And i hope you will change it.
The problem is that realistically the furthest west nomadic people in any numbers could hope to migrate with their herds--and hope to remain nomadic--was the Carpathian Basin. The amount of wide open grassland needed to sustain such a number of roaming livestock is far larger than anything possible in Europe aside from the Carpathian Basin. Sure, you could raze counties for grassland but this probably goes much further than you might be thinking. People would have to leave those counties in great numbers because they would have no villages or towns to support them. Finally, the pastoral economy was not a complete economy and needed support from sedentary economies. This is why nomads were always raiding or gaining tribute or promoting trade with sedentary groups. This is vital to nomadic groups.
 
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Lots of people laughing at this, ha ha, sheepshaggers, etc. But transhumance farming was really important for rural Wales for many centuries, and has left its mark on the landscape in the form of the many places named 'Hafod' and 'Hendre(f)'. So it's not ridiculous to suggest that a more granular map might have herders in Wales. I think at the existing scale of granularity, though, we have more than enough historical holders for Welsh provinces.
I don't think it would even require added granularity. There could be a system in place that (in certain regions, like Wales, Tyrol, big swaths of Tibet, India, etc.) would allow Herders to move into baronies that otherwise lack city, castle or temple holdings. And any sedentary rulers that technically govern the counties containing them would still be able to benefit from the Fertility level of those provinces by abstracting it into income.

Although I doubt that's in the scope of this expansion and my question was largely tongue-in-cheek, I seriously would love to see more nuance on the map in regards to local economy. Barony-level mini-"governments" that arise in appropriate regions the way they designed steppe herders look like a really good implementation of that.
 
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Here's ideas for nomadic steward tasks. I think Paradox has done some changes to them but here's just my thoughts.

Improve Fertility
  • Default Council Task for the Steward
  • +0.5% Domain Fertility growth rate per Councilor skill
  • Positive effects:
    • Improved Pastures: Increased Fertility growth rate in random Domain County for 5 years
    • Increased Herd growth rate for 5 years
  • Negative effects:
    • Mismanaged Pastures: Decreased Fertility growth rate in random Domain County for 5 years
    • Decreased Herd growth rate for 5 years
Clear out Pasturage
  • Can be performed in Domain Counties with less than 100 fertility
  • +0.2 Fertility growth per Councilor Skill
  • +0.1 Development Decline per Councilor Skill
  • Reduced effectiveness outside preferred terrain type by -90%
  • Positive effects:
    • Increase Fertility by 5
    • Improved Pastures
    • Remove Mismanaged Pastures
  • Negative effects:
    • Decrease Fertility by 5
    • Loss of Opinion/Control
      • Local Culture is not Nomadic with the same preferred Terrain type OR there is a Holding
      • Chance increases with Development
    • Mismanaged Pastures
    • Building/Holding level reduction
      • Chance decreases with development
    • Building Demolished
      • Must be at the lowest level
      • Chance decreases with Development
    • Holding Demolished
      • Must be at the lowest level
      • Doesn't apply to Tribal Holdings
      • Chance decreases with Development
      • Development must be below 5
      • If County capital, converted into a Tribal Holding
 
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1. They can lose it. We have added an Humiliation CB that can be used to force another Nomad of higher Dominance to go down one level, pay you some Herd and Prestige and lose Obedience from some vassals.
2. It ties into it, as in allowing you to select those targets while migrating, but doesn't fully replace title tiers.
3. Herd stagnates if you stay in low fertility areas. You won't grow, but you won't lose it either.
4. Some Nomads will be displaced by migration and become landless. If they do not find a place to graze, they may disappear.
5. There will be Decisions to Expand the Steppe in some areas like Hungary. Other than that Nomads can hold Castle holdings: they won't be able to use them for much other than getting some taxes, but they can have them.
6. I would say around 20%? It changes organically if Nomads do not migrate into their lands -- or if they migrate there too much.
7. Sometimes.
8, We're still in a very WIP state when it comes to balance, but for now I can tell you yes.

1. Yes, they are Nomadic, but no specific content was added as of now.
2. No changes to the Seljuk invasion.
3. Yes. If a Nomad holds non-Nomadic holdings outside of the Steppe they may switch government types. The specifics of this process are still up for discussion (cost, requirements, etc).
about #3 If there is not enough food for the herd to eat the herd should start to go down after a grace period, no getting to the top and sitting in one spot that doesn't have food. Over all you do have to move to where the grass is greener to keep yourself at top or however strong you are.
 
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about #3 If there is not enough food for the herd to eat the herd should start to go down after a grace period, no getting to the top and sitting in one spot that doesn't have food. Over all you do have to move to where the grass is greener to keep yourself at top or however strong you are.
If development impacts fertility, I think herds should start decreasing development if they don't have enough fertility, or there should be a council task as I suggested above that decreases development.
 
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If development impacts fertility, I think herds should start decreasing development if they don't have enough fertility, or there should be a council task as I suggested above that decreases development.
it's too much of a cake walk, way too easy to get the council to like you. You're still just going to sit in one place once you have enough herd. If the council can create enough food, (and it should depend on the size of the herd and skill of the council) in like 30 years you'll be op. I've never once played past 1200, not bc it slows down, it just gets boring when you're too powerful. I don't want my character to die bc he slipped in the bathtub and hit his head, thats not challenging. I'd rather have vassals that are hard to control, a council that takes advantage of their power. It seems like they already have a system they could use for this, the power scale in regency. Mod it to fit use for vassals and the council. Now I'm not saying power should be shared with them like in a regency, but it could be used to weaken your power by undermining you or for supporting actions. All they do now is fail or succeed at random and, it's like ok, moving on. If they were trying to undermine you, that'd be something you have to deal with and more interesting.
 
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The problem is that realistically the furthest west nomadic people in any numbers could hope to migrate with their herds--and hope to remain nomadic--was the Carpathian Basin. The amount of wide open grassland needed to sustain such a number of roaming livestock is far larger than anything possible in Europe aside from the Carpathian Basin. Sure, you could raze counties for grassland but this probably goes much further than you might be thinking. People would have to leave those counties in great numbers because they would have no villages or towns to support them. Finally, the pastoral economy was not a complete economy and needed support from sedentary economies. This is why nomads were always raiding or gaining tribute or promoting trade with sedentary groups. This is vital to nomadic groups.
Agreed. While I do understand the criticism that restricting Nomad-style play to the Great Steppe and a few other places could be seen as "gamey", letting players flatten half of France to turn it into pastureland for their horde would be even moreso.
 
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The idea that only the Mongols come to mind when thinking of the steppe is truly a narrow perspective. The real masters of the steppe were the Turkic peoples, who not only shaped the region for centuries but also influenced the fate of Europe, India, Iran, Anatolia, and Afghanistan. From the Huns to the Göktürks, from the Uyghurs to the Kipchaks, many Turkic tribes ruled the steppe and established great empires.

A significant portion of Genghis Khan's army consisted of Turkic warriors. Great commanders like Subutai were among the finest representatives of the Turkic military tradition and he was turkic. The rise of the Mongols was largely built upon Turkic strategies, tactics, and military culture.

I hope the developers properly represent the true elements of the steppe, namely the Turkic peoples. In particular, it is completely inaccurate from a historical perspective for Tengrist Oghuz people to have names like Yunus, Emre, Mehmet, or Ahmet. This issue also needs to be corrected. The steppe is not just about the Mongols—these lands have been home to the Turkic peoples for thousands of years.
 
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Vassals are something we have to deal with every playthrough, it doesn't matter if it's in France, China or the Steppe. Getting the core gameplay right should be at the top of the list. The only time vassals have any personality is when they're powerful and not on the council they can become a challenge, there should be a lot more to it than just that. They should be the keys to holding together the Kingdom/Empire. Right now It feels like they just hangout and get me some more land once in a while.
 
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