• We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.

Dev Diary #162 - Steppe by Steppe

Note: You can listen to today's Dev Diary here!

Өглөөний мэнд!

I am here to welcome you to a special kind of Development Diary – It's the first of a series, but the rest will come later and not in the following weeks. We're working on a comprehensive system for the Nomads of the Steppe, and while we are knee-deep in the production of the expansion, we still want to introduce you to the features as soon as possible, with the aim of collecting feedback and acting on it during our approaching iteration phase.

For that reason we are showing screenshots earlier than usual, so do keep in mind that all shown here is still a work in progress.

Therefore, some small caveats:
  • Layouts, visuals, and other aspects of the UI may change as we continue to refine these systems.
  • The map set up is also not final and we are open to feedback.
  • All values and numbers are still subject to balancing, and some of them are mere placeholders while we work on the features.
  • This is an overview of the next DLC. The following Dev Diaries will go more in depth about all features at a later date – we need time to act on the feedback we get from you, so dev diaries for this update will not be releasing weekly just yet.



Nomadic Government

At the core of this update lies the new Nomadic Government. This new government type is heavily inspired by the rulers of the Eurasian Steppe, and puts a heavy emphasis on herd, might, and land.

image-01.png

[Initial distribution in 1178.]

But what do we mean by that?

Herd

Your cattle and horses are represented by a new currency only available to Nomads called "Herd". In the Steppe, Herd is incredibly valuable and plays a big role in how other Nomads perceive you: it can be used for ransoming, dowry, bribes and even be stolen via a scheme or raiding. It controls who the Cultural Head is and serves as a gate for increasing Dominance (we will talk more about this later in this Diary).

Herd is obtained both through the land by exploiting its Fertility and through your Nomadic subjects via their contracts, since Nomads don't have a stable income. We will talk more in depth about this in the "Land" section below.

One of the main changes when it comes to Nomads is that they do not use levies. Instead, they transform a percentage of their Herd into Horde Riders.

Horde Riders are the most basic type of Men-at-Arms that Nomads have access to. However, these Riders can be then upgraded to better MAAs types, such as Horse Archers, for a cost of gold. These numbers don't come from a vacuum, however; if I want to create 100 Horse Archers, then I will lose 100 Horde Riders as they are converted into the new unit.

Basic Horde Riders don't have an associated maintenance cost, but the other MAAs do in the form of monthly prestige.

We've opted for this change because warring was an essential part of the Steppe life, and levies did not exist per se, as every able warrior would be called when the time was needed. From a more mechanical standpoint, we wanted Nomads to have fewer, but stronger and more significant, MAAs.

image-02.png


The percentage depicted in the screenshot above represents what percentage of your Herd can be converted into Horde, as not all of them are mounts suitable for war. This percentage can be affected by yurt buildings, dynasty perks, character modifiers and other factors.

image-03.png

[Extremely WIP, we are aware of some issues like the Maintenance cost not being displayed]

To reflect the importance of your people, the names on a Nomadic map are also different from our regular naming conventions. It is the Borjigin Mongols that move across the map, not the Duchy of Örgöö.

The Cultural Head gets to take the cultural name (The Mongols), while the smaller rulers have a combination of their House Name + Culture (The Borjigin Mongols). To better reflect the dynamics of the Steppe, we have also changed the way that the Cultural Head is selected in Nomadic governments: the ruler with the biggest Herd becomes the Head instead, independently of their title.

The names on the map, as well as this naming convention using culture are still work in progress, and we are open to hear your suggestions.

image-04.png

[Note that we may remove the "The" to make the titles more readable.]



Might

In the Steppe, might makes right. Titles are not as important as actual strength, and to reflect this we've made a series of changes that only affect Nomads.

Nomadic rulers have access to Dominance, a measurement of their perceived power. Low Dominance implies a relatively insignificant chieftain, while the maximum Dominance represents the rise of Genghis Khan.

Dominance is a fixed scale, a mountain that Nomads have to climb, with each level being a hard-achieved goal that each ruler must work towards. Only those who have a Herd of a significant enough size are allowed to reach the next level.

Dominance affects things such as Vassal and Domain limits, with the lower levels having a very reduced number of both, but with higher levels offering impressive bonuses. Dominance also governs the tiers that you are allowed to target during your migration (more on this in "Land"), access to special Men-at-Arms, title and vassal revocation, settlement outside of the Steppe, flavourful decisions and more.

Obedience

You'll need loyal followers if you're going to take over the world – and it does not matter by what means you've ensured their loyalty.

Obedience is a binary state – either you are obedient or not. Every character that's a subject or courtier has Obedience towards their overlord. Obedience works as a threshold; if a character is below the threshold then they will be unruly, plotting against their overlord or just having general acceptance maluses to various interactions. However, if a character is above the threshold then they will not form factions, start hostile schemes against their liege, and – more importantly – will take their side during the Kurultai succession by voting for whichever heir was your preferred one. The Kurultai is formed by special members of your Council, and having them on your side is extremely important for Nomads.

Obedience is calculated based on several parameters like the relationship with the other character, friendship, their traits and whether you have granted them a Kurultai or Court Position.

image-05.png




Land

Nomads grow their Herd by extracting Fertility from the land. Thus, migrating becomes an important part of their loop in the early stages of the game, when their realms are not big enough to accommodate the horde.

County Fertility is calculated primarily based on the terrain type. Nomads deplete Fertility of the counties they hold until it stabilises at a fixed number where the Herd can be maintained. This number is mostly affected by the domain size, but Stewardship, dynasty perks, yurt buildings and other character modifiers can affect it.

image-06.png


Migration

When the Domain Fertility is depleted, it's time to migrate.

Migration targets de jure titles, and the available title tiers you can target depend on your level of Dominance. A Nomadic ruler of Dominance level 2 can only target counties and duchies, whereas someone with level 3 can target kingdoms as well.

This means that smaller rulers should migrate frequently, either find abandoned lands occupied by Herders, or subjugate themselves before bigger rulers. Bigger rulers in the Steppe should, on the other hand, adopt a more sedentary way of life and demand Obedience and Tribute from rulers in their sphere.

image-07.png

[This panel is subject to reorganizations and reworks.]

The migration screen allows you to negotiate with the local rulers. If two or more independent rulers occupy the same de jure territory, then the ruler with the highest Herd leads the negotiations with you. You can use gold, herd, or a hook to bribe them, and their acceptance depends on their relationship with you, your Dominance level relative to theirs, your Prestige, Prowess, Herd size, their traits, and other minor factors.

If they accept, you will start a travel plan that will take you and your herd to the desired location. If the location had already been suggested by perhaps a courtier you may get some extra bonuses for following the desires of your people.

image-08.png


However, many nomads may refuse to give up their lands, especially if they have a high level of Dominance and find themselves pretty comfortable where they are. In those cases, one must resort to war.

image-09.png

[Total soldiers aren't being calculated in this screenshot. Keep in mind that this is from a development build!]

Migration wars allow the attacker to take the lands by means of force.

The targeted ruler will be either displaced to their other lands if they hold any titles outside of the de jure, or be made landless – similar to Administrative Noble Families or Adventurers. While landless, Nomads keep their yurts and upgrades but can't grow their Herd due to the lack of stable access to Fertility. They roam the Steppe in search of a new place to set up their tents.

No matter how you choose to migrate, your Obedient vassals will follow you, while non obedient ones will keep their titles and lands and stay where they were. The lands that you leave behind will be occupied by someone else entirely…

Herders

Nomads are not the only rulers that inhabit the Steppe. A new unplayable government type called "Herder" populates the map with shepherds that wander small counties. Herders replenish Fertility over time, and are extremely easy to displace, given their lack of armies. They are the ones occupying those counties left behind by migrations.

Having a Herder as a subject is still possible, however, and they will pay a small, fixed rate of herd based on their county's fertility.

One may also choose to voluntarily abandon one of their counties to a local herder, in the hopes that they will replenish Fertility quick enough for them to seize it back. The Steppe is not merciful, however, and another Nomad ruler may be faster than you.

image-10.png

[We indeed have several sheep variations.]



The Great Steppe

Life in the Steppe is not easy, and being at the mercy of the weather and pasture quality is something that nomads have had to adjust to since time immemorial (up to this day, in fact). To reflect this, we've created a seasonal system that governs the general climate of the steppe.

The Great Steppe is divided into three subregions: Western, Central and Eastern, each of them with their own season.

image-11.png

[Another very WIP screenshot, artpass pending.]

Seasons affect the Fertility of the subregion, as a White Zud creates a thick layer of snow that prevents the animals from grazing, while a more moderate and warm weather offers the perfect climate for pastoring.

That’s not the only effect they have though, as different seasons also change the general mood within Nomads. If a ruler extorts their vassals for Herd during an Abundant Grazing season, then they will receive more than usual, and a Severe Drought will promote characters to migrate even more than usual.

The two special and rare seasons of Havsarsan Zud and the Blessing of the Blue Sky explore these effects even further, with the Blessing amply increasing the Fertility of the subregion and the terrible Havsarsan Zud allowing rulers to take a desperate stance, making all of their subjects obedient and getting an invasion CB on settled people. One of the academic reasons given for the Mongolian Invasion is, after all, the lack of pasture in the Steppe at that point in time.

Your Stargazer can also help predict the next season depending on their aptitude. More on this in upcoming diaries!

The Gurkhan

Only one character in the entire Steppe can go on to the highest level of Dominance and become the Greatest of Khans, but we will provide you with tools to stop them.

The Gurkhan is whoever has the largest Herd within the Great Steppe. They are on their way to reach the highest Dominance and are a threat to all. Confederations may form to target them, while hostile scheming and wars may target them more frequently, and the Gurkhan will have to prove that they deserve their seat.



Your Yurt

Nomads have no buildings. Whatever they build is carried with them when they migrate. To represent this, Nomadic Holdings cannot have any other buildings than some basic corrals, but in turn they have access to a new domicile type: the Yurt Settlement.

Yurt Settlements have a main yurt that can be upgraded internally, and several other specialised buildings that give upgrades to pasture management, warfare, diplomacy, raiding, and more.

image-12.png

[Names and art are not final]

Tributaries

During this Development Diary, you may have observed my careful use of "Subject" instead of "Vassal", and here is the reason why.

Tributaries are a new and looser type of subject introduced with this expansion. Nomadic Tributaries specifically have some unique qualities to them.

The Tributary Contract governs the levels of Obligations (or Tribute) that they may pay to their Suzerain. While the tribute is being, sent all is well and a truce is held between the two of them. The tributary relationship is even inherited across generations.

However, tributaries may become unruly over time, and if the suzerain doesn't look that threatening to them then they may eventually opt to stop paying tribute. To bring them back into the fold, a former suzerain can bring them back under tribute by force, pacifying them and extracting both resources and prestige to a greater extent.

Nomadic Tributaries offer a payment in herd, while settled tributaries give gold to their Nomadic suzerains.

image-13.png

image-14.png

[Art and map visualization are still in progress.]

Tributaries can be obtained through a Character Interaction to Demand Tribute or through a Casus Belli. A ruler may also voluntarily offer themselves as Tribute to a Nomadic Ruler to ensure that their lands are spared from destruction.

As with the other features covered in this dev diary, we will do a deep dive on the Tributary system at a later date.

Confederations

With the rise of all these powerful and dangerous khans in the Steppe, lower-tier Nomadic rulers may decide to band together against a bigger enemy through forming a Confederation.

For those in a Confederation, an assault on one member is an affront against all members, so everyone in a Confederation joins defensive wars being fought by fellow members. This potent defensive power is balanced against checks on expansion: as long as they belong to their Confederation, members cannot increase their Dominance or create new titles.

Raid Intents

Raiding is one of the main ways Nomads have to get access to Gold. Given the importance that raiding had in their society, we have decided to expand this feature by adding Raid Intents.

A Raid Intent allows to set a desired outcome of the raiding: you may want to raid to capture interesting characters, steal your neighbors' cattle, or simply burn their property to the ground.

image-15.png

[Art and names are placeholder, so are the intents themselves as we may change or tweak them.]

Some of the Raid Intents will also be available for Tribal characters, while others need specific Nomadic unlocks.

Nomadic Flavor

Lastly, we are adding a number of new Character Interactions, Decisions, Activity Types, a new Vassal Stance, Events, and more focused on unique Nomadic flavour. Genghis Khan's famous storyline and Mongolian specific events will, of course, also make an appearance.

Expect to see a Kurultai, Blood Brotherhoods, Paizas and Kublai Khan's famous Pleasure Dome. More on this to come.

There are many things that we have left out of this Diary because our focus is on the main mechanical features introduced with this expansion, but we will come back to all of this in more detail in the future.

Thanks for reading. We are eagerly awaiting your thoughts and feedback.
 
  • 193Love
  • 128Like
  • 18
  • 13
  • 4
  • 1Haha
Reactions:
Finally, FINALLY the levy system gets turned into something more meaningful, useful, and - most of all - more historically accurate!

I hope every other part of the map gets the same "turn basic unit into professional soldiers" mechanic, that would make levy obligations also way more important than they currently are.
Omg please devs do this. Make military buildings for feudal/admin/clan turn basic levies into specialised ones just as we'll be able to turn horse raiders into specialised ones with the nomads.
 
  • 5Like
  • 1
Reactions:
So since Fertility and Seasons are in focus, could this be extended on whole map? A Farm in fertile crescent or Egypt having same income and effects as a farm in iceland on siberia is not that immersive.

Maybe in the future but not now, “fertility” an “seasons” aren’t meant to represent what you think.

The steppe is a diverse and harsh environment.

Fertility here isn’t meant to represent “how much potential does the soil have” but rather “how much grazing ground is there”

“Season” aren’t meant to represent summer, winter etc. but rather “did the weather f*ck up this area???” Because you can have a white zud in summer and it ain’t pretty or you can get a pretty nice winter..
 
  • 7Like
  • 3
  • 2
Reactions:
I like the idea of a less legalistic society putting more emphasis on personal loyalty / coercion. However, I think the system can make use of elements already in the game, the loyal and disloyal traits.

Perhapse the system of loyalty can be a general mechanic for everyone, but it affects nomads more than others. Or nomads could work on a smaller scale making it more likely for subjects / vassals to become disloyal.
The reason why we decided against this is that it would imply that almost everyone in the Steppe would have to have one of those traits. They're also less nuanced -- a character can be loyal to someone but disloyal to a different ruler, which would mean that we would have to flip the traits every time they switch liege; this would make it hard to keep track of characters and in general look confusing. Another reason is that we want certain actions to make characters Obedient, like giving them a Court Position or selecting a certain choice in an event option. This granularity would also be lost if we don't have a numeric value behind the Obedience calculation.
 
  • 37Like
  • 17
  • 2
Reactions:
1. A nomad-themed DLC would be a great opportunity to correct the Mogyër culture, because they still use the same Christian personal and dynasty names like the Hungarians. Can we expect these to be corrected? I'm sure the Hungarian community would be happy to help find a sufficient number of Mogyër pagan names, if you need some helping hand :)

2. Can we expect unique content related to the Mogyër culture or Táltosism? Maybe a unique event chain for the Honfoglás (Conquer of the Carpathian Basin)?

Thank you for the answers :)
 
  • 4Like
  • 1
  • 1
Reactions:
Maybe in the future but not now, “fertility” an “seasons” aren’t meant to represent what you think.

The steppe is a diverse and harsh environment.

Fertility here isn’t meant to represent “how much potential does the soil have” but rather “how much grazing ground is there”

“Season” aren’t meant to represent summer, winter etc. but rather “did the weather f*ck up this area???” Because you can have a white zud in summer and it ain’t pretty or you can get a pretty nice winter..
You explained it perfectly :)
 
  • 34Like
  • 10
Reactions:
The Cultural Head gets to take the cultural name (The Mongols), while the smaller rulers have a combination of their House Name + Culture (The Borjigin Mongols). To better reflect the dynamics of the Steppe, we have also changed the way that the Cultural Head is selected in Nomadic governments: the ruler with the biggest Herd becomes the Head instead, independently of their title.
Immediate question: what happens if some rulers of a culture are nomadic and others are settled?
Made a suggestion thread.
No, you did not. Specifically, your thread is not in the Suggestions tab but in general CK3 tab, which means it will continue being overlooked.
 
  • 5Like
Reactions:
I have to say it's a bit odd for the Nomad DLC to focus on the Mongols, what with not having China. I'd expect it to focus more on Turkic peoples instead. Pechenegs, Cumans, Bulgars, Seljuks etc. I feel like the pressure Jin was putting on the steppe is so important to the rise of the mongols that it's a bit odd to be without them.
 
  • 8Like
  • 1
Reactions:
I wonder how much value there is in complicating the game by daring to create a new indicator of “obedience” specifically for nomads, rather than using the existing indicators of fame, prestige, and legitimacy.
I am very much looking forward to the system expansion for nomads. However, this point is questionable.
 
  • 1
  • 1Like
Reactions:
Will the Nomads be getting a unique throne room? How will items and banners be displayed? Imagine instead of having some item on a stand somewhere, it's just a horse inside a tent. Or maybe it's an open tent and you can have horses everywhere instead of people.
 
How much this DLC will affect the Turks in Anatolia and Iran?
It's quite understandable that Seljuk Invasion won't get a rework but it would be really good to have some flavor for Seljuk and Rûm Turks. I was hoping that we could see these new mechanics outside the steppes as well. Or maybe we can see some different mechanics uniqe for Seljuks.
 
Last edited:
  • 4Like
Reactions:
Immediate question: what happens if some rulers of a culture are nomadic and others are settled?
In that case it is calculated based on their military strength.
Will the Nomads be getting a unique throne room? How will items and banners be displayed? Imagine instead of having some item on a stand somewhere, it's just a horse inside a tent. Or maybe it's an open tent and you can have horses everywhere instead of people.
All I can say it's that they will be getting an unique throne room with different levels depending on their Grandeur.
 
  • 42Like
  • 8
  • 2Love
Reactions:
Oh also, as a suggestion:

Get rid of the "The" in the names. It's already implied and clutters the map and is just ugly. It should just be "Naimans", not "The Naimans". "Borjigin Mongols", not "The Borjigin Mongols". "Pechenegs" not "The Pechenegs" etc. At least on the map, if you click on the character it can probably keep the "The" but on the map it's just cluttered.
 
  • 7Like
  • 2
Reactions:
First of all. Everything presented in this DD looks amazing.

New government types mechanics can interact in weird ways. Some issues with clan, unlanded and feudal houses can be avoided by the player by simply founding a cadet branch. How will non nomads interact with the new way to decide a culture head? If I choose to be an english character in the steppes would I become the culture head by virtue of being the only englishman with a herd? Conversely, if feudal/clan has priority over nomad government am I screwed out of being cultural head if someone from my culture settles?

On average how long are the steppe climate cycles? On one hand I'd love for more incentives to decrease game speed, but with most activities and interactions being on multiyear cooldowns I fear that this might end up like Northern Lords winter severity and become something largely ignored if they follow yearly patterns.

I understand that for obvious reasons you cannot answer about other content not present in this DD but I was curious about the possibilities of different government types interacting between them and how nomads (and tribals) raiding could be used to improve other types gameplay. Having these kinds of NEIGHbours might revalorize things like Marches rights and bring opportunitites to the game for new vassal/leige interactions like the marquis expecting something from the liege after repeling raiding parties.

Is it too farfetched to revisit these mechanics and in the future to make things more interconected?

And for nostalgia sake, will random nomads ask for my daughter's hand every 5 minutes or so? :p
 
  • 7Like
  • 1Haha
Reactions:
Seems a good approach, but I have a couple concerns:

- Tributaries, from what information has been provided, doesn’t sound like a general mechanic, but one specific for nomads, which I think would be a huge mistake. Tributaries existed elsewhere too.
- I’m not yet sold on the necessity of “domination” as a new mechanic when we already have legitimacy and dread.
- I would hope nomads are not just in the Steppe given that other regions had them too, and those regions are also in desperate need of content
If you view steppe as an empire, you 'll know what Domination is. Yes, it's influence , but with a different pronunciation.