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Namaste, As-Salamu-Alaykum, Subh bakhair and Sat Sri Akal. Today we will look at the historical and shared military branches for the British Raj. I will use India and the Raj interchangeably to denote the subcontinent, and as always everything is under development and might change. Also a special thanks to @AveeBee who has provided invaluable help during the development of the Raj

Historical Context
In 1936 the Indian subcontinent was still under British rule and had been, in some form or other, for almost 2 centuries, either during the times of the East India Company, or directly by the crown.

In World War I the Raj fought as part of the British army against the Central Powers and afterwards the independence movement was rapidly picking up steam, no longer content to be ruled from London.

Demands by leaders such as Nehru, Gandhi and Jinnah were met in part by aloofness and part in indignation, while the population at large remained impoverished. At the outbreak of World War II India was once again called to fight in a country far away from home, amassing the biggest volunteer army in history of 2.5 million soldiers.

However this was not without controversy, as local leaders weren't consulted and even imprisoned. Some went as far as siding with the Axis, notably Subhas Chandra Bose to achieve independence, down the line helping the Japanese invade Burma and India itself, before being stopped at Imphal.

As World War II came to an end the British could no longer keep control over the Raj due to mounting pressure from abroad, as well as from within. In 1947 India and Pakistan gained independence by partitioning the subcontinent, with Bangladesh gaining independence in 1971.

Princely States
Princely States were historically local leaders of India that were a quasi-independent entity separated from direct British rule, but still under British control as a form of subsidiary alliance. As long as they supported the crown they could rule over their states.

In Hearts of Iron IV this is represented as high-compliance, non-core territory at the start of the game. Meaning that the Raj will now start with uncored territories, with ways to core it later.

We toyed with having the princes as puppets right from the start, but it leads to some funky interactions with subjects having subjects, and I don't think that everyone would like to be forced into having puppets as part of the main branch. However the princes can appear on the map at a later date.

The princes represented are: Mysore, Madras States, Kolhapur and Deccan States, Hyderabad, Central States, Rajputana, Western Indian States, Sindh, Balochistan, North-Western Frontier Provinces, Kashmir, Sikkim and Manipur. With Khalistan being releasable as well.
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The Raj also controls a bit of Aden, as they did historically before handing it over to the British.
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In the historical path you will have special ways to deal with the princes via the two special garrison laws
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Burma
Burma was officially transferred from the Raj to British control in 1937, but effectively it began with the 1935 Burma Act. In game this results in Burma being a colony of the UK instead of being occupied by the Raj.

That 1935 act notwithstanding, Burma is ethnically and culturally a bit different from the rest of India, so we believe that it makes sense to have them as a separate country. It also has mechanical implications which results in a Raj player not being able to, as easily, fortify the Siamese/Japanese front, thus having both countries having to rely more on their natural defenses instead.

Independence Branch
The independence branch is also the historical branch, where you try to build an independence movement to eventually break away from the British.

While there are positive elements of British rule they serve as an antagonistic force, as being attached to their yoke depresses your growth somewhat. A key tenet of the independence branch from the start was that the player unlocks India's latent industrial capabilities as they gain more independence. So as you grow the movement you also gain more industrial capabilities.

This takes another approach compared to the old focus tree where you would use the Increase autonomy focus to break free. I went under the assumption that most players do not like being a subject in general since it reduces player agency, and that you would most of the time default to breaking free, come Hell or high water. In this new tree it becomes more about in which order you build your independence movement and what industrial capabilities you gain with less need for using continuous focuses.
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As you build up your independence movement you will also get the side effect of spillover resistance. It is not easy controlling such a large group of people with different views and interests, and violence can spill over.

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Here are some more concrete examples of how focuses can add to the players road to independence

Two Nation theory or India United
Before becoming independent you will have to choose between keeping India united, which means that you will not have to partition India into Pakistan or Bangladesh. While initially strong, keeping a united India means you will have to appease the religious minorities, leading to a moderate long term suppression of compliance, meaning it will be a bit harder to core states later on.
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The two nation theory, which is the historical outcome, leads to the partition of the Raj into India and Pakistan. Some princely states will also rise up and become independent.
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Here you can either pressure them to join you, or attack them directly if you so desire. You can pressure individual states, which means you now can get something like the Kashmir split. If there's no decisive victor between Pakistan and India in regards to pressure versus a princely state they will remain independent.

Should you decide to start hostilities with Pakistan make sure to finish quickly, or your old overlords can step in.

While you lose land in this path, you can become a Hegemon of the subcontinent, gaining you a big bonus if you gain a large advantage over your Pakistani rival, either via tech or industrial output.
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After Independence
Historically, the AI will not go for independence until after '47, but the player certainly can. Doing so will unlock the last bit of industrial focus. Here you can either decide to continue as a free nation with the allies, or remain neutral, trying to act in your own self interest by sending volunteers across the world.
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Here you will finally be able to core all territories that previously were controlled by the princes via the India Indivisible focus. This part of the focus also is meant to supercharge India's industry, moving from a suppressed nation economically to being able to play catch up with other industrialized nations.
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Army Shared Branches
Let’s look at some of the shared army branches now. These are generally available for all paths.
Beginning here you get to choose how to model your doctrine, either leaning into the UK and their doctrine, or modelling after one of the other big majors, gaining unique themed bonuses.
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The Raj's extensive railway network also has its own sub-branch, where the more focuses you complete the faster you can build things like supply hubs, railways and infrastructure.
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More to the right features the different Ordinance factories for the Raj, which not only adds extra factories, but each Ordinance factory unlocks extra traits for the MIO as well. When you get to the end of the path you'll get an upgraded MIO policy as a reward.
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Additionally there is an assortment of military focuses that deal with improving the general technology of the Raj. Particularly the Raj will have focuses that make their forces more adept in mountainous terrain, both for tanks, artillery and infantry.
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Agrarian society is still here, same as before with some additional maluses. There are a few ways to deal with it now
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When you first complete Local recruitment offices the malus will start to gradually ebb away. This can be shortened eventually by completing additional focuses.
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If you are in a hurry though you can complete additional focuses to instantly reduce the negative effects
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In the end you can unlock a decision to fully remove the Agrarian Society against a large cost of political power.
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The Bengal Famine
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The Bengal Famine was a devastating event where food became unavailable for a large majority of people due to several external shocks to a fragile food system. This now happens under certain conditions. When Burma loses a state and is in a faction with the Raj, when the Raj loses a state that it controls at game start, or after a certain date in history.

It will start in a certain state, after a series of escalating events. They are now both a state modifier and a country modifier. The country modifier scales how bad it is depending on how many state modifiers there are. For example in this scenario the famine started in Bengal and has spread out of control to three adjacent states.
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In addition to causing havoc in the state it also causes chaos on a country level
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As a result I have deployed several emergency measures to try and prevent the spread, such as asking for international aid, shutting down black markets and deploying emergency healthcare.

I should have also prepared better. Some focuses in the trees will also reduce the risk of the famine spreading.
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The preventative measures act as a "shield", both preventing the spread of famine and also reducing the time it takes for the famine to abate.
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I will leave it here, but if you have any questions about a specific focus or feature, feel free to ask!

 
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Hey what about the French and Portuguese parts of India? Will they get anything?
Mostly targets for annexations
The "Local Recruitment Offices" focus shows a check for if you are Pakistan or Bangladesh as well. Will both of these countries receive a small, shared tree?
not at this time no
Also I did not fully understand, will Burma be a puppet of the UK from game start or will they be separated via event in 1937?
From the start

Could we get the new state map of the subcontinent?
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Once bread has become toasted it can never be untoasted
Regarding the focus, will "annex GOA" have peace scripted? Or will I have to capitulate to Portugal to have this part of the territory?
its a scripted event
Will Burma have a small unique focus tree like Paraguay and Uruguay in ToA? If so could you go into detail?
Not at this time no, but who knows what the future holds

Can we see the party leaders' portraits? If they're ready.
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How will the new raj and also Burma, and also Transjordan and Mandatory Palestine interact with the UK focus tree? And will there be multiple options for the partition (like the Pakistan-Bangladesh land bridge)?

And off topic: Can you please correct the shape of the Burgenland now and change the 2 swapped Congo Focus tree names, icons and descriptions?

And could you maybe post some more art like portraits...
the RAJ will get an event called "the long goodbye" that boosts autonomy instead of being booted out of instantly. The UK tree does too many funky things like killing RAJ leaders, changing their ideology etc without considering the RAJ player state. Its an external injection and it broke too much in the old tree, so we decided to go with a less intrusive option this time.Will Nepal, Bhutan or Tibet get any new focus trees? Not at this time. The focus are on the 4 trees that are advertised
Where is Orde Wingate?
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I'm very happy that Gandhi can finally become the leader of India!

If he doesn't become the leader of India, would he historically be assassinated in the year he died?
yes, after which Nehru becomes leader
Will there be anything for afghanistan with a focus or anything for them to claim north west india and attack, furthermore as Burma is mentioned will burma have its own unique minor focus tree? How will the changes in India and Burma mean for Japan, will their be decisions for Japan when attacking through Burma for anything such as removing states debuffs and or collaborating with the locals in Burma? Something like this for Japan and something for afghanistan would be great, please reply when you can!
Ill wait for the Afghan dd to reply.
Burma will not yet have its focus tree, not in this pack but who knows what happens later.
Siam will attack Burma now, and Japan will get some temp attack buffs to help the AI, but its related to Bose
Will Victor Hope have a new portrait?
no, we decided to put more bang into new portraits instead, like Princes or Burma portraits. He is still there, smug as ever.
You can pick him like a few months after start date

New traits for him?
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He is just a less bad Freeman Freeman
Does those princely states have new tags? Or just dynamic version of RAJ tag? Can we know their three-letters TAG name?
PSH = "countries/Pashtunistan.txt"
HYD = "countries/Hyderabad.txt"
MYS = "countries/Mysore.txt"
RJP = "countries/Rajputana.txt"
CIP = "countries/Central Indian Provinces.txt"
RAS = "countries/Madras States.txt"
NWF = "countries/North Western Frontier States.txt"
KAS = "countries/Kashmir.txt"
MPU = "countries/Manipur.txt"
WIS = "countries/Western Indian States.txt"
KOL = "countries/Kolhapur and Deccan States.txt"
KHL = "countries/Khalistan.txt"
SIN = "countries/Sindh.txt"
KLT = "countries/Kalat.txt"
SKK = "countries/Sikkim.txt"
BLC = "countries/Balochistan.txt"
Excellent! Will there be other options for India's democratic leadership once it gains independence? Or you locked into the Congress Leadership post-Independence? Also no mention of the Non-Aligned Movement for Historical India?
You can pick between different leaders, but there's no other political parties. I wanted to focus in the path towards independence more so that inter-political rivalries

You can exit the war with the "sideline the conflict/kingmaker" focuses if you want, but since its a war game its not much more than that
Should Aden really be part of the British Raj? My understanding was that it was effectively directly controlled by the British at that point.

The Raj had control over the bureaucracy, but they were spread too thin after WWI to actually station troops to defend it and thus delegated that to Britain. From a gameplay perspective, that seems like it's better represented with direct British control, or with a focus of "reassert control over Aden" that should look more like how Australia can take control of British Malaya or how Canada can take Newfoundland.
you get an event after a few weeks to either hand it over or keep it
what would be the effects if you were to keep it or if you were to surrender it?
If you keep it you get 2 focuses to develop it as a port. If you surrender it you get some autonomy and a civ
Couple questions, will Pakistan and Bangladesh have a focus tree and be playable? Was somewhat alluded to. Will Burma have a focus tree or something? Finally is sikkim independent from India at game start?
No to all 3. Sikkim appears during partition
Has anything changed about Siam? They played an important role in the war in Burma, but now they are just get occupied or stay neutrality even though they are on the same side as Japan.

(At least they should have a small event to turn into a fascist like in history to increase their aggression.)
Siam Will invade Burma with Japan. They still have the generic tree (although I'd love to see a Siamese tree at some point), but I've tweaked it so that they focus on picking the industrial focuses as well. And their states has some extra slots, and they have a minor spirit buff for supply range and mil construction
I like the work, but will India in-game be forced to become a Republic post-independence? Is there a way to get independence and retain the Crown (e.g.: as a national spirit of some kind), just as both India and Pakistan had done post-independence in real life until their respective Republic acts (1950 and 1956 respectively)? Burma became a Republic immediately upon independence in 1947, and Bangladesh did as well upon independence from Pakistan in 1971 (but in all honesty, would've become a Dominion if they had achieved independence at the same time as India and Pakistan had, especially if you do that Bengal United focus). I think if this can be done, it can be done for a future Canada/Australia/NZ/South Africa rework too, personally speaking. It irks me that it hasn't been possible before but hey, time to look to the future!

Also: Does the Raj get any special interactions with Burma, and does Burma get any new leaders?
There isn't a way to retain the crown no.

The independence movement was such a core thing for India that we decided to have it as the main theme, the red thread, for India.

You can still be in the allies though.
I think the vast majority of players prefer to not be constrained by an overlord, it just feels bad mechanically. And it's quite hard to accurately represent dominionship with Hoi mechanics

Yes Burma gets new leaders.

The famine starts when Burma gets invaded, or if the Raj looses a core
Will Lord Mountbatten be a potential leader / advisor ?
He is also one out of 4 potential leaders after you gain independence. Kind of a last steward type leader

"Army Shared Branches"
Share with who?
For all focus trees in India. Like shared military branch. It's not shared like in ToA between countries
Early Congolese independence was a bit annoying already, how will you prevent the AI from pressing Indian independence in the middle of the war?
The AI won't press independence on historical until 47
Does the focus "Annex Goa" give a war goal, an ultimatum event (where Portugal can agree or not), or a Border Conflict? I feel that an ultimatum event in combination with a decision to start a Border War would be the most accurate to how the capture of Goa went down IRL as it didn't escalate into a full-scale conflict.
Event with ultimatum

What you're describing seems pretty up Hoi4's alley in terms of weirder, alternate history routes, but then again a few of these might be so implausible to border on impossible. The Toungoo Empire was from the 16th century and its ruling dynasty has been completely extinguished 400 years later. There also aren't that many prominent Buddhist leaders in Burma around this time, the British heavily dismantled the Buddhist religious institutions when they took over in the 1800s and most of the major monks who became nationalist figures died trying to resist the British during the 1930s and 40s. I suppose you could do something playing in to U Nu's reputation as a pious lay Buddhist, he did push for Buddhism to be a state religion in real life.

If any of the devs are around, I would love to see what other leaders Burma has besides Archibald Cochrane and Ne Win, I'm glad its getting some love for now and that it will finally be in the game as a starting tag in 1936. The unique unit models are also a great addition. I have a soft spot for Burmese history, wrote my dissertation about this exact era of it, so I am glad to finally see of light shone on it by a major videogame like Hearts of Iron.
These are WIP portraits, but I can show you anyways.
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Show us a powerful focus, idea, etc. I want to show it to Japan mains and say, "This is what you will get in a month." :cool:
I think the most powerful focus in the historical one is the last one, but its a bit harder to get
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Its basically Indias the Giant Wakes
So exciting! I saw the Ghandi focus. Is it possible to get him as a country leader?
Yes, he is one of 4 possible
Not sure if it was mentioned but will Princely States get their own mini focus trees similar to the Warlords in China? With the end goal of controlling all of India?
No they get the generic tree, they are an auxiliary mechanic to India
I'm very confused. The historical consensus is that the Bengal Famine was a man-made event, directly caused by Churchill. Doesn't this violate the "no genocide or atrocity" PDX policy? Has something changed?
The Bengal famine was already in the game pre-Goe, so leaving it out would be an odd choice.

It is also a complicated issue because it is a direct result of the war. On one hand we don't want to have a direct control over a "press to famine" button, on the other leaving it out felt like an omission, especially since it was already in the game.

It doesn't affect the population in the game at all. It is just a state and country negative.

Nothing has changed, and we've had discussions on what to do with the famine. We tackle these issues on a case by case basis
I saw that the starting focuses of the railway tree use the same icons as Norway's (even showing Norway). Is this temporary or not?
It's from an old build, I've changed it now
Why is there a decision for Emergency Healthcare for the Bengal Famine? A famine is about the lack of food, not a disease outbreak. "Emergency Relief Services" should be used instead.
Famines in general causes transmittable diseases to skyrocket. Malaria was 43% of excess fatalities alone in 43, and 70% in 44
is there still a way to prevent the famine? or is it innevitable that even a peaceful india will still have the famine?
It triggers whenever Burma or India looses a core state, I think I set it to
How will these changes effect the UK historical and non-historical paths?

During the abdication crisis events the dominions all break away, but you can get them back later. I assume the focus "Reclaim the Jewel in the Crown" will give you a war goal on all the princely states including India, Bangladesh and Pakistan and Burma?

Also the communist and fascist path have the focus "Move to Secure the Dominions" Where you have to place divisions around each dominion to stop them from leaving.
Will the requirements for India be less since Burma is now a separate colony?

Also will the various focuses such as the Imperial Federation now inlcude Burma?
The Raj will temporarily stay with the UK while they get a spirit called the long farewell, which boosts autonomy by quite a bit.

I'm not a fan of the UK AI interjecting and inserting itself into a player RAJ, it tends to break a lot of things for other trees
I can only speak for myself, but I really wouldn't put more weight on being able to achieve a quick independance versus having a coherent narrative that enhance my immersion. Especially if there's more than one option to gain independance that varies in length of time.

I'll also note that the Hegemony of the Subcontinent focus seems busted as its bonuses seems incoherently strong compared to other nation's modifier.
You can go independent about as quickly as before I think, but all values are subject to change. However players in general don't like puppet paths, so the general goal is to not be. How fast or slow you so it depends on what focuses you pick first.

You can't take that focus until you are considerably stronger than Pakistan, or control all of India. It's supposed to be somewhat of a counterweight for loosing Pakistan.
Maybe a question for the alt history focuses. But will the UK focus to promise Indian Independence have any expanded role?

For example to buy time from a raj going an alternate path and breaking free at an inopportune time.
We thought about some different ways but mostly weren't that great in execution
Well, the sole reason I've never played a puppet (fully historical) Denmark game is that you don't get back your BoP mechanics, and that already feels wasteful, let alone having built it up to a significal amount before the invasion.

In other words, I'm yet to see a puppet path that offers me as a player incentives strong enough to pick it over the alternatives.
I think that is hard to outweigh the alternatives yes
Will there be any modelling of the Azad Hind in-game (even just as custom leaders for a Japanese puppet postwar)?
They will make an appearance, yes. Bose is here somewhere.

Weren't Nepal and Bhutan also considered Indian princely states at the time? There should be something representing the UK not just allowing someone like Japan or China just walzing in and taking them over willy-nilly. I had some ideas on how to represent Nepal, Bhutan and others, in this post of mine from 2018.
Not really no, friendly yes, but for the purposes of how it's represented in HoI it doesn't denote them to princely states. Bhutan had a quazi-suzerian thing going on, but that's about it. Not enough for them to have them annexed or puppeted
Does this mean you're including the Hunger Winter, or in fact any of the famines in Axis territory? Because right now you have a situation where the only man-made famine in the game is caused by the allies.

To be clear, my objection is not that you're including the Bengal Famine - sensitive depiction of the horrors of the period is responsible. And it's also right to show that the British bear responsibility for it.

But if that's the only event of its type you include, the effect is - by default - to whitewash Nazi and Japanese occupations because you're showing that the British starved civilians while apparently the Axis didn't.
As I said, we do it on a case by case basis. You might think we made the wrong choice, and that's fine, but at least know that we have given it ample thought.

I'm not here to cast blame and afaik there's no one stating it's the UKs fault in game. You get escalating events of the things that happen to explain what is happening.

What is not included is stealing fisherman's boats for example, because that is too close to an active thing the player does so aggregate it.

If we rerun the world where there was no Bengal famine already in the game maybe it wouldn't have been included, who knows
Will the famine have conditions to fire based on Britain's actions? As of right now (in game and in the dev diary), it appears as if Britain has no role in it.

Maybe a condition could be being a British puppet or having free trade or something? Or instead of having a "press to famine" button for Britain, you could have decisions that Britain could do to alleviate it that give them consumer goods/factory output debuffs (that they may or may not do).

I want to clarify that I think it is good to have a depiction of the famine in game as it was a significant historic event with real impacts and a real tragedy. But it seems ahistorical and could be insensitive to not have some sort of connection to British colonial policy.
No, that is a step too far and opens a can of worms I do not want to open.

The Raj can ask for aid from the commonwealth though

No population reduction from famine?
No

Will East Punjab and West Punjab finally be two separate states?
Yes, they will be.
Does those princely states have new tags? Or just dynamic version of RAJ tag? Can we know their three-letters TAG name?
They have new tags, yes.
Do the British generals for the Raj stay with them after independence or will they be transferred 'back' to Britain after they become free?
They will go back to Britain after independence, but there are ways of making it so they stay if you take certain focuses.

Will Lord Mountbatten be a potential leader / advisor ?
Yes, he is available as a Chief of Navy.

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where would the focuses to develop Aden be in the focus tree? since we haven't seen a naval branch (or an air branch)
There is a Naval and Air branch, they just didn't make it into the DD.

Does Burma have a new cosmetic tag for British colonial status?
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I note that a number of British Generals in Indian service (Messervy et al) are marked with British flags, suggesting that if India becomes independent they'll likely become unavailable.

If this is the case, do they get added to the UK so they can continue to be used? Generals don't tend to just fall off the face of the Earth... provided they're not Soviet Generals, or course.
They will either return to the UK or if India completes a specific focus (mutually exclusive so it is a sacrifice to take it) then they'll lose the loyalty to Britain trait and India will keep them


Two things:

1) It seems like Manipur doesn't have their own state but instead is grouped in with Assam, but the country itself is in Nagaland? I'm a but confused here.
2) I'd like for there to be a seperate state for Sylhet so that we can get modern Bangladesh borders (even if that's anachronistic).
Manipur has its own state, and not grouped in with Assam.

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How will the new raj and also Burma, and also Transjordan and Mandatory Palestine interact with the UK focus tree? And will there be multiple options for the partition (like the Pakistan-Bangladesh land bridge)?

And off topic: Can you please correct the shape of the Burgenland now and change the 2 swapped Congo Focus tree names, icons and descriptions?

And could you maybe post some more art like portraits...
the RAJ will get an event called "the long goodbye" that boosts autonomy instead of being booted out of instantly. The UK tree does too many funky things like killing RAJ leaders, changing their ideology etc without considering the RAJ player state. Its an external injection and it broke too much in the old tree, so we decided to go with a less intrusive option this time.
 
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Will there be anything for afghanistan with a focus or anything for them to claim north west india and attack, furthermore as Burma is mentioned will burma have its own unique minor focus tree? How will the changes in India and Burma mean for Japan, will their be decisions for Japan when attacking through Burma for anything such as removing states debuffs and or collaborating with the locals in Burma? Something like this for Japan and something for afghanistan would be great, please reply when you can!
Ill wait for the Afghan dd to reply.
Burma will not yet have its focus tree, not in this pack but who knows what happens later.
Siam will attack Burma now, and Japan will get some temp attack buffs to help the AI, but its related to Bose
 
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Does those princely states have new tags? Or just dynamic version of RAJ tag? Can we know their three-letters TAG name?
PSH = "countries/Pashtunistan.txt"
HYD = "countries/Hyderabad.txt"
MYS = "countries/Mysore.txt"
RJP = "countries/Rajputana.txt"
CIP = "countries/Central Indian Provinces.txt"
RAS = "countries/Madras States.txt"
NWF = "countries/North Western Frontier States.txt"
KAS = "countries/Kashmir.txt"
MPU = "countries/Manipur.txt"
WIS = "countries/Western Indian States.txt"
KOL = "countries/Kolhapur and Deccan States.txt"
KHL = "countries/Khalistan.txt"
SIN = "countries/Sindh.txt"
KLT = "countries/Kalat.txt"
SKK = "countries/Sikkim.txt"
BLC = "countries/Balochistan.txt"
 
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Do the British generals for the Raj stay with them after independence or will they be transferred 'back' to Britain after they become free?
They will go back to Britain after independence, but there are ways of making it so they stay if you take certain focuses.
 
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