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Developer Diary | Norway Alt History!

Hej everyone, it’s me, Carlo! Katten has been staring at me from the other side of the office all morning, which can only mean one thing: it’s time for me to write another Dev Diary! Now, I’ve already talked about Historical Norway, the Joint Focus Tree, and modding stuff so there’s only one more thing I could write about, and that’s our favorite kamerat, LevTrotskij.

Known outside of Norway as Leon Trotsky, he was one of the most prominent members of the bolsheviks in the Soviet Union, renowned marxist theorist, known for his permanent revolution, and even more permanent exile. He was Lenin’s successor apparent, but Stanlin’s political maneuvering forced him out of the government and eventually out of the Soviet Union. After that, he was allowed to move to Norway, with the newspaper editor, Konrad Knudsen. So far so good.

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The important thing for us happens in an August much like this one, in 1936, when Quisling’s thugs ransacked Knudsen’s house, and would’ve gotten away with it if it wasn’t because Knudsen’s daughter drove them off. So much for the tolerant left, smh. This event will be represented in AAT’s Norway, regardless of the path you take, and it’s the start of trotskij’s event chain.

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Historically, the pressure from fascists and stalinists was too much for the Nygaardsvold Cabinet, so he was put under house arrest in a farm in Hurum, which, by his own account, was one of the worst periods of his life. After that he was allowed into Mexico, and received by the artist Frida Kahlo and her husband Diego Rivera. And then they lived happily ever after. Though he was, indeed, kicked out when Diego Rivera found out he was having an affair with Frida Kahlo and then was killed with an ice pick by a Soviet Union agent. Other than that he had a good time in Mexico by all accounts.

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Of course, you don’t need to care about what happened historically. You can just imprison him, or send him to Mexico right away and use this altercation as a justification for increasing political repression, send him straight to Stalin, and even put him in government. Those last two are especially useful if you’re going the communist route by the way.

Communist Route?... Oh, right, that’s what I was supposed to write about, Alt History content for Norway! Since I already wrote about Trotskij’s fate, let me tell you about the options you have for
turning Norway even redder.

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First step, the labor movement needs to regain its momentum, with the ‘A Resurgent Labor Movement’ focus. This will set Norway on to the path of Communism, but which one? You can compromise with the NKP to adopt their Stalinist stance or prosecute them and let the Labor Party embrace Trotskij’s teachings, and if you kept him in Norway you’ll also have him as an advisor and general.

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Each path has advantages and disadvantages: you can be beholden to the Soviet Union and their support, or you can go your own path and bring the Permanent Revolution to the rest of the world.

Regardless of your communist goals, you will need to rouse the proletariat in states that are industrialized enough, and when you’re ready you can trigger the communist revolution and fight in a civil war against the old Norway! Now of course, riling up the workers has its cost, because they’ll do some heavy damage to your factories and infrastructure once they rise up for the revolution.

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Let’s take a better look at the ‘Rouse the Proletariat Decisions’. The first level will grant you the state once the civil war starts, but will leave your buildings in a pretty rough shape.

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You can reduce this damage by bringing it to Level 2 and you will also be granted 2 irregular divisions.

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Then if you’re really serious about that state you can fully rouse its working class, reducing the damage to the buildings and upgrading those troops to Militias.

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And before you think “But Carlo, what if I just rouse the whole country and I skip the civil war?”, I’ll tell you now, that won’t work. You will have to choose carefully how to approach these decisions, as you can’t go over 20 Total Support for the Revolution and no matter what, the other side will have Oslo.

Ok now, let’s go over the things you’ll be able to do once you’ve seized the means of production in Norway. If your senpai Stalin noticed you, there will be plenty of improvements to your industrial base, manpower and a close collaboration with the Soviet Union, and even help them invade Finland. Maybe the Arms Against Tyranny thing is just aspirational.

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If instead, you decided to go with uncle trotskij, as I said before, you’ll get an extra advisor and general, and that will put you behind the wheel of your very own communist faction, the Norintern with the focus ‘The Permanentest Revolution’. That’s what it’s actually called, and nobody has complained about it so I guess the name is final? Defend Finland, bring the war to Stalin, Sweden, Norway and even Hitler, bringing about a new, Trotskyist world order.

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To summarize, with Stalin you’ll get soldiers and industry. With Trotsky you’ll get easy wargoals and offensive bonuses. Your pick.

Now let’s move slightly to the right. To the allied democratic branch, which starts with a fictional Vote of No confidence that the Nygaardsvold government loses. This branch is what happens when militaristic industry tycoons take control of the government. It overlaps somewhat with the democratic branch, except you can skip the whole Broken Gun thing and go straight for rearmament, so you’ll have more time to get ready for what’s coming, but at the cost of a lot of civilian industry.

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This path leads to a more centralized government, so all the local preparations are pooled together, letting you start nation-wide initiatives, both during peacetime and war time.

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It also overlaps a little with the Trotskyist path, just not the commie parts, and you’ll be able to join the allies instead of forming your own faction.

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Let’s keep going, I have actual work to do, so I’m gonna skip the historical path. A few things have changed, but not enough to care, and the dog is still there so onwards to the fascist path, which, of course there is one.

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It starts with The Stumbling Storting, in this reality the labor party fails to secure political stability for Norway, leaving the door open to fascists, and other undesirables.

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Let’s go with Undesirable Elements #1, fascists. In this scenario Quisling is somewhat good at making people think he’s competent and that fascism is reasonable. The Nasjonal Samling will lurk in the shadows and build support for their agenda state by state, seeking support from the Fatherland League (A proto-fascist nationalist movement), industrialists, conservatives and even fascists abroad.

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Eventually, you’ll reach a familiar focus, ‘Quisling’s Coup’, except this time, you’re ready for it, you have built the support needed to make the takeover as easy as possible for you and the foreign fascist invaders, whom you invited! Yes, in this path you can invite the most suitable fascist regime to invade Norway so you can take over the government and help them on their fascist crusade. Don’t worry if they say no, that rejection will also allow you to start the coup without them, who needs Hitler anyway.

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The coup, as expected, will trigger a civil war in which, unlike the communist one, you’ll only control Oslofjord. That’s alright though, you prepared for this, which means that you can take over states where you built support in. If you only prepared base level support, you’ll get the state, not too shabby! But if you built more support, you will be rewarded for your efforts with a brand new Military Factory, and maybe even a couple of militias too if you fully prepared it.

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This should put you on the right footing to start your fascist campaign, have fun making the world a worse place! Eventually, you’ll make it to your outlandish viking theme claims around the North Atlantic. Classic.

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Now onto the last branch: The monarchist branch. For some reason a lot of people who want nordic focus trees also want a monarchist path, I can understand why, but I still think they’re wrong. I still made a monarchist path for Norway, whose king was reluctant to become their king, and even when he took over, by all accounts had no intention of becoming anything more than a figurehead.

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This reality starts much like the fascist one, with the Storting devolving into chaos, and the Royal Chamberlain, Anker Peder Wedel-Jarlsberg uses this opportunity to build support for a more involved monarchy, with his steady hand at the helm of course. Obviously, he is not part of the real Wedel-Jarlsberg noble family that lives in Norway, any similarities are purely coincidental, etc. He’s not Wedel-Jarlsberg with a ‘-’, his is a minus symbol. Just do me a favor and don’t tell the legal team, they don’t need to stress about it.

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Peder Anker will travel all around Norway proselytizing his monarchist cause, giving you bonuses for building defensive buildings, and adding more building slots, which will of course reduce the available manpower in the state, because, you know, they’re all busy being monarchists so they don’t have time to be soldiers.

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Except… If you go all the way with your monarchism you get 2 free militia divisions, and once you get the power as the Regent of Norway you can edit to your heart’s content. They’ve been so converted that they are now soldiers for monarchism.

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Once the Absolutist Regency is the rule of the land you’ll recruit the crown prince, Olav to join either the Navy or Army staff, since he was indeed employed in both during the war. In this case you’ll probably want him dedicating all his efforts on one thing, so he can become either a General or an Admiral and will allow you to specialize your country further.

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And of course you can get an extra set of outlandish claims. Faroe Islands, Iceland, Greenland, part of Russia, and even part of Sweden. At the end you’ll be able to consolidate your kingdom to make it easier for Peder Anker to rule over his king’s land.

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And well that’s it. Obviously there’s tons more to unearth if you ask the right questions ;) and many more things I’ll either keep as a secret for release or haven’t implemented yet, like the new Trotskij portrait and the [Redacted] of [Redacted]. Also, don’t forget to stay tuned for the Sweden alt history Dev Diary, where you’ll see how wildly different the world would be if Sweden had privately managed vacation instead of state managed ones.
 
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I'm really happy to see that someone at PDX thinks monarchist paths are dumb. They tend to be mechanically uninteresting, ridiculously lore-breaking, and just not good additions. You see this best in Turkey's and the USSR's. Turkey deposed the Sultan because he agreed to Sevres and the Russians deposed the Tsar for a whole slew of reasons. I wish the effort spent on the Ottomans and the Tsars had instead been spent on more Kemalist stuff for Turkey and more communist paths for the USSR.

Unfortunately they are also quite popular, so we'll probably keep having resources spent on them rather than other stuff.
I respect your opinion. We simply play the game differently.
 
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Trotsky defending Finland is just straight up wrong. Historically, he have sided with USSR during the Winter War, and ruthlessly critisized everyone who supported Finland:
We defend the USSR independently of the policy of the Moscow for two fundamental reasons. First, the defeat of the USSR would supply imperialism with new colossal resources and could prolong for many years the death agony of capitalist society. Secondly, the social foundations of the USSR, cleansed of the parasitic bureaucracy are capable of assuring unbounded economic and cultural progress, while the capitalist foundations disclose no possibilities except further decay.

What unmasks the noisy critics most of all is that they continued to consider the USSR a workers’ state at a time when Stalin was destroying the Bolshevik party; when he was strangling the proletarian revolution in Spain; when he was betraying the world revolution in the name of “People’s Fronts” and “collective security.” Under all these conditions they recognized the necessity of defending the USSR as a workers’ state! But no sooner did this same Stalin invade “democratic” Finland, no sooner did bourgeois public opinion of the imperialist democracies – which covered up and approved all Stalins’ crimes against the communists, the workers and the peasants – raise a howl to the skies, than our innovators immediately declared: “Yes, this is intolerable!” And following Roosevelt they declared a moral embargo against the Soviet Union.
 
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It's a game. I just have my opinions. Personally I think the King of Norway should have a option to take power. Even if it's with massive debuffs.
Exactly. Let the people choose it atleast, even with a debuff. Just makes me feel that the monarchist section may be too influenced by personal bias.

While it's fine to have your own opinions on how you want things, you should make place for others opinions. How this DD is worded makes it sound like he only did it as a necessity and without putting to much thought into it. Starting off a section with
For some reason a lot of people who want nordic focus trees also want a monarchist path, I can understand why, but I still think they’re wrong.
just sets a precedent that you really couldn't care less for making it a viable path. I'm sure that if you didn't want to make one you could've gotten someone more open to the idea to help you with it. I just hope this won't mean that the monarchist path will automatically be one of the worse ones. Should be an equal trade off with all the other paths (unlike the fascist path which should automatically be the worst one just because of quisling). I can't say for certain until the DLC is actually released, but reading that section gave a little bad taste in my mouth
 
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I know. But it's also a game. And if the will of the people is for Haakon to take power, then there should be a option in my opinion.

(Like over 90 percent support for non aligned.)
I get what you mean. This path I consider more like the latter days of the German Empire. Sure the Kaiser is in power, and sure the government is dominated by die hard monarchists, but it is a military/noble clique that is really running the show, rendering the monarch to a figurehead. Don't feel strongly for it, I like that it is an alternative spin on monarchist path, but sure wouldn't hurt to have the King take power. If anything it would make sense for Haakon to abdicate in favor of Olav who at the time showed more hands-on tendencies.
 
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I get what you mean. This path I consider more like the latter days of the German Empire. Sure the Kaiser is in power, and sure the government is dominated by die hard monarchists, but it is a military/noble clique that is really running the show, rendering the monarch to a figurehead. Don't feel strongly for it, I like that it is an alternative spin on monarchist path, but sure wouldn't hurt to have the King take power. If anything it would make sense for Haakon to abdicate in favor of Olav who at the time showed more hands-on tendencies.
I just want the option. That's all. I like Haakon. He was one of the best monarchs of all time. He, in my opinion, deserves a place in the game as leader. Even if it's simply a focus at the end of the tree where Haakon is finally convinced.
 
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That is a ... not very good name for the faction... why not go with 4th International, like another forum-user suggested? Simple and historical.
I think he referred to the national focus' name, previously "The Permanentest Revolution".

Well, well, hope that Norintern dissapears from the game.

Regency is for when a King is not available to rule, not for when he wants to "control things in the shadows" or whatever, his portrait, his rule, not some random.
Yup, hope that Peder Anker's title would be changed to "Prime Minister", or the equivalent of the title.
 
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In my own mod I’m unable to find a way to remove convoys from a country, as the effects that work on other equipments just don’t on convoys. Do these decisions use a bugfix, a new feature, or something already in the game that I’ve just overlooked?
It's not a new feature, it's actually just removing the specific equipment rather than the archetype. This is what I use
add_equipment_to_stockpile = {
type = convoy_1
amount = -25
producer = NOR
}
 
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Hey great dev diary as always! I was just wondering. What about all the oil in the North sea? Norway has a lot of Oil. Won't there be a focus that would allow us to discover some of it atleast? Or to make some early investment into an offshore oil industry in Norway?

And what about the heavy water production in Norway which was sabotaged by the allies? Will that be represented?

Thanks!
 
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Hey great dev diary as always! I was just wondering. What about all the oil in the North sea? Norway has a lot of Oil. Won't there be a focus that would allow us to discover some of it atleast? Or to make some early investment into an offshore oil industry in Norway?

Thanks!
It's something I've considered but will only add if it's really needed. For now it's not in game but we'll see.
 
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It's something I've considered but will only add if it's really needed. For now it's not in game but we'll see.
Ok could you please try to add the oil industry in and make it an option? It would be great. I don't think player made mods would do it justice. And what about the heavy water production in Norway which was destroyed by the allies? will that be in game?

thanks for the response
 
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That is a ... not very good name for the faction... why not go with 4th International, like another forum-user suggested? Simple and historical.
It's not a faction it's the focus that creates the faction. The Faction is still called the Nortintern but I will find another name. And yes, I know there's a 4th International but I will only use that name as a last resort
 
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