Hello all.

Sadly we can't yet talk about the big feature of Common Sense, Subject Interaction.. As we are completely redoing the interface for it, so it has to wait until next week.

Instead, we'll talk about a major change to the Holy Roman Empire, and give you the new achievements for 1.12.

Imperial Authority and Reforms

Imperial Authority has had a significant rework in 1.12. The old system tended to advance or retreat authority in big lurches and was very open to exploits. It also did not take into account how well the Empire was doing overall, and there was little benefit for the Emperor to maintain a large number of member states.

This has been changed in 1.12, as many of the events that gave Imperial Authority have been replaced with ticking values. The monthly change to Imperial Authority is now displayed in the interface, and will depend on factors such as:
- Whether there is peace in the Empire
- Total number of member states
- The amount of HRE territory held by outside powers
- The amount of HRE territory held by heretics & heathens
- The number of electors and free cities

An Emperor who is doing a good job will see their Imperial Authority naturally grow without having to resort to methods such as annexing states when authority is at 0 only to release them again later, while an Emperor that allows outside powers and heretics to dominate the Empire will find themselves unable to pass reforms entirely.

As part of this change, we've also revised the old 'Imperial Integrity' modifier for having more than 25 princes. We felt this modifier was both too strong and too arbitrary, so it has been removed. Instead, the HRE reforms were buffed to provide more of an incentive for members to vote for reform.

Achievements

Baltic Crusader - As Teutonic Order or Livonian Order conquer all of the Russia Region and make it Catholic.
Neither Holy, Nor German - Get 7 free cities in the HRE that are not of German Culture, as Emperor
Colonial Management - Have 3 colonial governors directly appointed by you at the same time.
Voting Streak - Get through 11 Issues in a row in Parliament
An Industrial Revolution - As GBR, all in english region, with 25 development.

City of Cities - Create a City with 60 development.
One Family to Rule them All - Have your dynasty on 8 thrones at the same time.
This is My Faith - Become Protestant and get maximum amount of traits.
Bleed them dry - Have 10 different War Reparations being paid to you at the same time.
Subsidize my Love - Subsidize 3 different allies at least 50% of their monthly income without running a deficit.

Take that Habsburgs! - As Hungary, Conquer all of Austria.
The White Elephant - As Ayutthaya conquers all provinces in Indochina region
The Buddhists strike back - As Ceylon conquer all of India and convert it to Theravada.
Better than Napoleon - As France, conquer Vienna, Berlin & Moscow.
Big Blue Blob - As France, hold 100 european core provinces before 1500.

A Full House - Have 3 Vassals & 2 Marches at the Same time.
Black Jack - Maintain 21 different overseas Subjects with more than 5 provinces each, without anyone having more than 50% Liberty Desire - Trade Companies does not count.
A Decent Reserve - Gain at least 1M Manpower.
The Six Nations - Form a federation of at least 6 nations as the Iroqious.
The Bohemians - Conquer and core Dublin as Bohemia.

Komenoi Empire - Make Trebizond into an Empire.
Lucky Lucca - As Lucca, own Lucknow!
A Fine Goosestep - Form Prussia and get 125% Discipline.
Meissner Porcelain - As Saxony own all chinaware provinces.
All Your Trade are Belong to Us! - Have highest tradepower in Genoa, Venice, & English Channel, while gaining 300 income per month.

 

[BFTeixeira]

I like these changes, are these part of the Patch or the DLC? (as in: HRE changes)

Also: Big Blue Blob - Now this is an achievement I like! Gives a good reason to play france (Other than to destroy Europe)

Should be in the DLC. It makes (common) sense.

 

[TheChrisD]

The Bohemians - Conquer and core Dublin as Bohemia.

Oh, I see, you're a Bohs fan...

You do know you're going to get a load of Shamrock Rovers fans onto your case now?

 

[Te. Kenzo]

Well I wouldn't mind if they accidentally swung that axe to far in that direction, atleast it would show them trying to balance france.



No France teams up with others to hold back the truly powerful, like Spain and the HRE. The only time europe teams up on france is when napoleon does what no one even considered and starts taking things ha doesnt have any claim on. And that's outside of this game era. Honestly making taking land harder for everyone and making austria and spain historical friends is probably a better nerf for france.

You are right, the things start to change in '700 with spanish succession wars. However I agree, simply the fact that Spain and the Emperor (Austria) are the two major chatolic power could be a good reason to have them as historical friends until '700.

In theory we not should need this if in the game a true dinasty game will be added, we can hope about that

 

[Redashirov]

Protectorates, just 21 protectorates

How?

 

[BFTeixeira]

Protectorates, just 21 protectorates

But there must be some other change. I believe protectorates count towards your diplomatic relations limit.

 

[zamieo]

Well I wouldn't mind if they accidentally swung that axe to far in that direction, atleast it would show them trying to balance france.



No France teams up with others to hold back the truly powerful, like Spain and the HRE. The only time europe teams up on france is when napoleon does what no one even considered and starts taking things ha doesnt have any claim on. And that's outside of this game era. Honestly making taking land harder for everyone and making austria and spain historical friends is probably a better nerf for france.

What are you talking about? First of all, the Napoleonic Wars are in the "game era" (it ends in 1821, Waterloo was in 1815). Second, France faced coalitions all the time. The War of the Spanish Succession, the War of Devolution, the Italian Wars, the War of the League of Augsburg, the War of the Polish Succession, the Franco-Dutch War and I'm sure I'm forgetting a few more. Yet France frequently came out of these coalitions with more than a few gains. France is by far the most powerful state in Europe from Charles V's death until Waterloo, after which Britain is the main power. Spain was powerful under Charles V and Philip II, but at the end of the 80 Years' War, they're utterly exhausted and their colonial and martial dominance is over. Making Austria and Spain historical friends has no historical basis, as they weren't historical friends before the Habsburgs inherited the crowns of Aragón and Castile. There could be a von Habsburg event for Spain that gives Spain a von Habsburg heir, but I'd guess that that'd make the game far too easy for either Spain or Austria as they could easily get railroaded into a PU.

 

[RMcD94]

Mr_Hobo, Oscerrati why do you disagree with my post?

What possible argument is there for locking achievements into single player only?

Even the argument for ironman is on supremely thin ice.

 

[Oscaretti]

When are you going to allow achievements in multiplayer?

Considering you can get all the achievements via cheat engine, etc I have no clue in any way shape or form why you would punish people for getting their friends involved in your game?

This game shines in multiplayer and yet you're telling people that multiplayer is less valuable, absurd.

Since when can you obtain achievements with cheats? As far as I'm concerned to get them you need to be playing ironman and that prevents you from using any cheats. And you shouldn't be able to get achievements in MP since that would allow people to cheat. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of MP myself and I've played o lot of games but achievements should be ironman exclusive.

 

[fleetothemoon]

Imperial integrity was originally introduced in EU3 to offset the increased infamy gain and unlawful imperial territory modifiers. Back then, HRE nations were encouraged to expand via unions rather than annexation.

Then of course, methods for obtaining unions got nerfed in EU4... and now, imperial integrity got removed... and yet increased infamy and unlawful imperial territory modifiers still exist... Surely, at least the infamy gain from annexation within HRE should be tweaked to account for this?

At the present, it is very difficult for minors within HRE to expand without using gamey tactics to avoid unlawful imperial territory (e.g., stay in wars until new provinces are cored or declare new pointless war just to stall until you core, allying with the emperor solely to avoid imperial territory malus, etc etc)

Not all nations within the HRE will be free cities or aspire to become emperor.

 

[Tom013]

Mr_Hobo, Oscerrati why do you disagree with my post?

What possible argument is there for locking achievements into single player only?

Even the argument for ironman is on supremely thin ice.

The achievements were conceived of with the set-up of a single player game in mind. In a multiplayer game, you could conceivable turn that set-up on its head -- e.g. you and your friend playing an always-allied Austria/France or an allied Ottomans and Ethiopia. In the degenerate case, you, as the Ottomans, could immediately surrender to your friend Ethiopia for a quick Prester John run.

All this aside, I just don't feel like multiplayer NEEDS achievements. It has its own driving competition and goals. Not that single player really needs them all that much either, but they do offer a bit of structure to people who want it or goal ideas to others.

Since when can you obtain achievements with cheats? As far as I'm concerned to get them you need to be playing ironman and that prevents you from using any cheats. And you shouldn't be able to get achievements in MP since that would allow people to cheat. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of MP myself and I've played o lot of games but achievements should be ironman exclusive.

He said cheat engine. I assume he meant one of those programs that logs into your Steam account and just activates whatever achievements you wanted.

 

[Frozen Yakman]

How are we not talking about forming a federation as the Iroquois? Possible new general federation mechanic!?

 

[Tom013]

How are we not talking about forming a federation as the Iroquois? Possible new general federation mechanic!?

You mean the federation mechanic that let Iroquois form federations ever since Conquest of Paradise?

 

[kraznaya]

Still no Timurid/Mughal cheeovs

 

[Konair0s]

I wonder if something will be done with the Espionage idea group in this expansion?

 

[TheDungen]

Is that French bashing ??? I'm just gonna give you a number. France, at the 1450's, is inhabited by 18 M people while the Iberian Peninsula is only somewhere around 10 M. The English Islands are empty compared to this number. Secondly, do you remember the TYW. It literally devastated all of Germany and made sure that they won't be a problem for another 200 years. I don't think that you can consider that France did very poorly in history as France managed to grow outside it's cultural borders. Sundgau, Alsace, Roussillon, Calais, Artois, Luxembourg, Corsica, Brittany to some extent. And finally, no country other than France was able to fight back the coalition of the entire European continent, and still win. From the 12th century, the HYW aside, to the 1400's France dominates Europe. Then you have a quick period of about 40-50 years where it's the Burgundian who dominates Europe. After that, you've got the Spanish for a century and a few years. And then, it's France until 1815, (A bit sooner if you want but during the Enlightenment, France and England are about equal).

French eh? First of while population certainly helps it in no way shows the strenght of a nation, not then not today. Yeah the thrirty years war was the big break for the holy roman empire, after that it became pretty much pointless and austrias strenght became the lands actually held by austria. But france didn't do that on it's own. Basically all of europe was involved in that war. And france have had a claim to all the provinces of burgundy and lotharingia for centuries yet over this period they only managed to take a handful. And when did france win agaisnt all of europe the only instance I can think of is napoleon and again outside the game era, and he didn't win he died imprisioned in exile. He like later Hitler showed that taking land in war isnt that hard, holding on to it is the real challenge.
And no I'm not france bashing, france is the cradle of western civlisation. Through charlamagne (and those that came before him) we got kingdoms such as France germany italy aragon and so on. England got that legacy through the normans. Scandinavia second hand through the germans along with christianity. The same with poland and the balt states. Only the iberian peninsula (sans aragon) is not in some way a successor state to the frankish realm. There's a reason the muslim side of the crusades refered to all the crusaders as frankish.
And even after that france is the first country in europe to abolish the feudal structure and centralise power to the throne.The HRE never managed to do that (partly because of France), and brittain and spain also took longer (brittain really never went through a period of absolute monarchy). But becuase France was ahead in the start of the EU4 era they failed to pick up on the changes close to the end which resulted in the revolution. Which, kind of like the soviet regime in russia, spend money it didn't really have, achieved monumental things, but failed to hold on to them.

 

[Sunspawn]

Is that French bashing ??? I'm just gonna give you a number. France, at the 1450's, is inhabited by 18 M people while the Iberian Peninsula is only somewhere around 10 M. The English Islands are empty compared to this number. Secondly, do you remember the TYW. It literally devastated all of Germany and made sure that they won't be a problem for another 200 years. I don't think that you can consider that France did very poorly in history as France managed to grow outside it's cultural borders. Sundgau, Alsace, Roussillon, Calais, Artois, Luxembourg, Corsica, Brittany to some extent. And finally, no country other than France was able to fight back the coalition of the entire European continent, and still win. From the 12th century, the HYW aside, to the 1400's France dominates Europe. Then you have a quick period of about 40-50 years where it's the Burgundian who dominates Europe. After that, you've got the Spanish for a century and a few years. And then, it's France until 1815, (A bit sooner if you want but during the Enlightenment, France and England are about equal).

French population does not translate to having higher morale - it is already represented as high-BT provinces with high manpower. There is absolutely no reason for Elan! to be a thing before the revolution made fanatics out of the soldiers in the French army.

French eh? First of while population certainly helps it in no way shows the strenght of a nation, not then not today. Yeah the thrirty years war was the big break for the holy roman empire, after that it became pretty much pointless and austrias strenght became the lands actually held by austria. But france didn't do that on it's own. Basically all of europe was involved in that war. And france have had a claim to all the provinces of burgundy and lotharingia for centuries yet over this period they only managed to take a handful. And when did france win agaisnt all of europe the only instance I can think of is napoleon and again outside the game era, and he didn't win he died imprisioned in exile. He like later Hitler showed that taking land in war isnt that hard, holding on to it is the real challenge.
And no I'm not france bashing, france is the cradle of western civlisation. Through charlamagne (and those that came before him) we got kingdoms such as France germany italy aragon and so on. England got that legacy through the normans. Scandinavia second hand through the germans along with christianity. The same with poland and the balt states. Only the imberian peninsula (sans aragon) is not in some way a successor state to the frankish realm. There's a reason the muslim side of the crusades refered to all the crusaders as frankish.
And even after that france is the first country in europe to abolish the feudal structure and centralise power to the throne.The HRE never managed to do that (partly because of France), and brittain and spain also took longer (brittain really never went through a period of absolute monarchy). But becuase France was ahead in the start of the EU4 era they failed to pick up on the changes close to the end which resulted in the revolution. Which, kind of like the soviet regime in russia, spend money it didn't really have, achieved monumental things, but failed to hold on to them.

Charlemagne WAS NOT FRENCH. He was frankish, which is far closer to German than French, thus the cradle of western civilization is Germany. Eat that baguette!
France was far from being the first to abolish the feudal structure - England started moving away from it towards cities as early as the 12th century and the Italian principalities - those that were not republics - were not feudal even while they had dukes in charge.
Clarification - a kingdom can exist without a feudal structure. Feudalism =/= monarchy.

France was not half as awesome as the game portrays it as.

 

[RadRussian]

None of these achievements look particularly hard but the ones that are nation-locked will just take a lot of time.

 

[josh127]

The HRE change sounds interesting. It sounds like it not only benefits the emperor actually protecting the land, but it also gives some incentive as an outsider to conquer and hold onto HRE lands. It might not end up playing that way, but that's at least how it sounds right now.

But there must be some other change. I believe protectorates count towards your diplomatic relations limit.

Protectorates don't count toward relations limit unless you have other relations with them that would count. Royal Marriage for example.

 

[BFTeixeira]

Protectorates don't count toward relations limit unless you have other relations with them that would count. Royal Marriage for example.

Didn't know that. Thanks for the correction.

 

[Aries666]

French eh? First of while population certainly helps it in no way shows the strenght of a nation, not then not today. Yeah the thrirty years war was the big break for the holy roman empire, after that it became pretty much pointless and austrias strenght became the lands actually held by austria. But france didn't do that on it's own. Basically all of europe was involved in that war. And france have had a claim to all the provinces of burgundy and lotharingia for centuries yet over this period they only managed to take a handful. And when did france win agaisnt all of europe the only instance I can think of is napoleon and again outside the game era, and he didn't win he died imprisioned in exile. He like later Hitler showed that taking land in war isnt that hard, holding on to it is the real challenge.
And no I'm not france bashing, france is the cradle of western civlisation. Through charlamagne (and those that came before him) we got kingdoms such as France germany italy aragon and so on. England got that legacy through the normans. Scandinavia second hand through the germans along with christianity. The same with poland and the balt states. Only the imberian peninsula (sans aragon) is not in some way a successor state to the frankish realm. There's a reason the muslim side of the crusades refered to all the crusaders as frankish.
And even after that france is the first country in europe to abolish the feudal structure and centralise power to the throne.The HRE never managed to do that (partly because of France), and brittain and spain also took longer (brittain really never went through a period of absolute monarchy). But becuase France was ahead in the start of the EU4 era they failed to pick up on the changes close to the end which resulted in the revolution. Which, kind of like the soviet regime in russia, spend money it didn't really have, achieved monumental things, but failed to hold on to them.

The Napoleonic wars are within the game era 1803-1815, game ends 1821.