• We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.

EU4 - Development Diary - 18th of June 2019

Hello and good morning. Today we will finally unveil our long-anticipated changes to the map and political setup of the Balkans, as well as taking a look at Austria. This will be our final dev diary on map changes for the European update.

As befits the fragmented nature of the Balkans, today’s dev diary will be divided into three parts, each written by a member of the Content Design team who personally worked on each region.

dd_greece.png


I’ll begin with my own work on Greece and Bulgaria. You’ll notice that province density has noticeably increased, but rest assured we have taken care to avoid adding a net development boost to the Ottomans. We feel that their current level of development makes them a sufficiently powerful force, and any further advantages would harm the experience for players in their vicinity.

We’ve split the Bulgaria area in two, with most of Bulgaria remaining in “Bulgaria” but with the east in the new Silistria area. Bulgaria in total has gained 3 new provinces: Tolcu, split from Silistre, allows for a more accurate Ottoman-Moldavian border. Tirnovo, once a major cultural, military, and economic center for the Bulgarian Empire, declined under Ottoman rule but remained a thorn in the side of the Turks as it was a hotbed for Bulgarian resistance. Finally, Kyustendil/Kostendil was the center of an Ottoman sanjak and an exploitable mining site.

Thrace and Macedonia have also been updated with new provinces. Edirne has lost its access to the sea to the new province of Gelibolu/Gallipoli, home to a mighty fortress and naval arsenal. Parts of the former Edirne have also been added to the new Gumulcine province. Lastly, Selanik is now confined to the area around the city of Thessaloniki, as Siroz now occupies the outer reaches.

Moving down into Greece proper, a new nation has appeared while another is notable by its absence. Epirus, with its capital in the new province of Arta, is ruled by the Tocco dynasty who for whatever reason were previously represented as the rulers of the Venetian vassal-state of Corfu. Corfu no longer exists in 1444, but it retains its core on the island. Epirus also rules the island of Cephalonia, which has been separated from the Corfu province and gives Epirus the ability to produce wine. Fans of Byzantium will be pleased to hear that they now possess an additional province at the start of the game, based around the historic city of Corinth. And in the Aegean Sea, Lesbos has been split from Scio - Lesbos has a strait connection to Biga while Scio connects to Sugla.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

dd_austria.jpg


I'm @Caligula Caesar, and I'm here to tell you about our changes to Austria. Now, some of you may be aware that there is a good case for splitting Austria in three at the start of the game and requiring them to unify their territories. However, as a team we elected NOT to do this. Our reasoning is simple: For an enjoyable and challenging game on continental Europe, it is necessary for there to be a strong Austria. As Austria is already one of the more vulnerable superpowers in the early game, making their starting position significantly weaker by reducing their directly held territories by 2/3 would simply not make a better game experience.

We felt that Austria's starting development was fine as it was, but its province density was not quite at the level we wanted, so we added some new provinces by splitting existing provinces' development. As we have already shown, Tirol was split between Inntal and Etschtal and South Tirol became Trent, now an independent tag; also, some impassable mountains were added between Tirol and Venetia. Moving east, we split Kärnten in two between Oberkärnten/Villach and Unterkärnten/Klagenfurt. In the north, Linz's province (now known as Oberenns) was reshaped significantly and room was made for Traungau (with the significant ironworking town of Steyr as its capital) to the south of it. Wien province, too, has been split, with Wienerwald/Sankt Pölten taking its place to the west.

Finally, in the south, we added the Slovene culture. This culture is present in Görz, Krain and Celje. The last of those is owned by a new tag, the Counts of Cilli - known by their German name as its rulers were the German von Cilli family (the tag itself retains Slovene culture, however, and has some dynamic province names for surrounding areas).

Now on to @Ofaloaf 's work on the Western Balkans:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

dd_serbia.jpg


This work owes a tremendous amount to @otaats and his suggestions in Serbia & friends, which (in a truncated form) served as an inspiration. I also want to give a shoutout to @Wokeg, whose enthusiasm for the region and its history has been an excellent inspiration and motivation.

Most of the mapwork simply provides greater provincial fidelity, but there are some significant changes and additions. Starting with the smaller stuff, Venetian holdings along the Adriatic coast are better defined, with old Dalmatian province now split between Zara and Spalato and Cattaro now spun off from the province of Zeta. Albania also gets a second province, Krüje, which was one of the strongholds of the Albanian ruler Skanderbeg. Fortified and mountainous, Krüje should be a real pain to crack early in the game.

One of the most major additions to the region is the inclusion of Herzegovina. It's a relatively new state in 1444, being largely the creation of Stjepan Vukčić, who inherited those lands in 1435. Stjepan was an incredibly ambitious nobleman who took on the title of herceg (borrowed from German herzog) and ruled a portion of the Kingdom of Bosnia as a de facto independent realm called the Duchy of Saint Sava, which is the name its contemporaries knew it as. While Stjepan had the chops for independent rule, his sons weren't quite as canny, and in 1483 the realm was conquered by advancing Ottoman forces. However, Stjepan's title, herceg, lived on in the Ottoman name for the territory, and this eventually became the name Herzegovina, which is what we know the area now as and, for the sake of familiarity, the name which the realm (and its capital province) is called in-game.

You may have also noticed that Croatia is now present on the map. It starts in a union under Hungary, and depending on Hungarian fortunes may now either break away in one fell swoop or be more firmly incorporated into the Crown of St. Stephen. While the inclusion of Croatia does provide some interesting opportunities for Hungarian expansion or wresting parts of the Hungarian domain away from Budapest, the inclusion of Croatia as a separate entity has called for a little historical fudging. Rule of Croatia and Slavonia was split in 1444, although the two entities were ruled by Croatian brothers at the time of the Grand Campaign, and the titles would be merged together into a united Banate in 1476. To prevent Hungarian diplomatic relations from being eaten up by subjects and give it a slightly more powerful vassal to keep in check, Croatia here is unified slightly early.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thank you all for reading this and our other map-based dev diaries, it’s been a pleasure to present our work to you and to read your feedback and ideas. Next week we will take a look at some of the new mission trees coming to this region - most likely Austria, one of the Balkan minors, and something you might not expect. We’ll also talk a little about the Hungarian succession. Until then, have a great week!
 
  • 2Love
Reactions:
Since you showed basicaly the balkans region, would it be possible tho show how the regions from past dev.d. map updates look? If Bohemia is still in northern Germany I am going to cry XD
 
I'm disappointed in that Austria. Styria has every right to be a sovereign nation (they were the EMPEROR, for god's sake), though less so for Tyrol as in 1444 the laker Duke Sigismund was still a minor while Frederick III, HRE and Duke of Styria acted as his regent and made sure most of the revenue of the region would flow into his own pocket.

And while that would weaken Lower Austria (or Austria proper in EU4), on November 11th 1444 they did have a PU over Hungary and within the first few years should have very good chance to gain a further PU over Bohemia (Ladislaus was proclaimed King of Bohemia in 1453). Also, Austria being historical rivals with France is ahistorical garbage, France should get a mutual opinion malus with whoever inherits Burgundy (as well as Burgundy itself). In 1444, France didn't care about Austria, and Austria didn't care about France.

What certainly can't be modeled however is Ladislaus' early death, most likely due to leukemia. So instead, why not drive Styria and Austria into war with one another? Ferdinand III was a highly ambitious man, after all. Perhaps after 1450 or so Styria gets a core on Vienna and declares war by event, if Styria wins and take Vienna they inherit Austria and Tyrol if it exists while Bohemia and Hungary are released, if Austria wins they inherit Styria and Tyrol.
 
The counts of Celje were also bans (governors) of Slavonia. One of the reasons why I think that having a PU'd Croatia doesn't make sense in eu4.

@klingonadmiral regarding a divided Austria, you should read the thread in my signature. ;)
 
I really want to play a Croatian campaign now, but... that color! :eek:
 
dont tell me that Pardubice is still the province in north-west core Bohemia instead of Hradec, I already pointed out in the dev diary concerning Bohemia that now Hradec province doesnt even have the city inside it and pardubice rose as a city comparable to hradec after the eu4 timeframe...
 
Since we've shown all of the map changes, here's the whole thing in one image:

View attachment 492721
Pomerania looks even more screwed now.

Please add Stolp as a tag in the east; that Wolgast looks disgusting and didn't control the eastern parts around Stolp yet.
 
Still extremely dissapointed by having Teutonic Order not touched. I mean, I can understand why Livonians have nothing (but they are lacking too), but this is right on Germany border. For two patches in a row (1.27 and 1.29) where they could and should have been updated there is nothing.
 
I was also going to ask about Thessaloniki becoming Jewish in this patch, now that it is a separate province. Will that happen, and will there be an event about the growth of Sabbateanism there? It could have led to a moderate-sized Jewish revolt if things had gone a little differently, which would be a cool event to have. However, I don't agree with @Metz 's idea about giving a core on Jerusalem - the Ottomans held Jerusalem for centuries but the Jewish population in their empire didn't, to the best of my knowledge, meaningfully move from Thessalonika or Istanbul to Jerusalem in the game's time-frame.
I wish devs add more about Jews, of Selanik, Ashkenazi of Europe and Sephardic of Iberia.
There are great amount of content here in these threads I quote my posts.
I even listed some famous Jews and destinations where communities went:
This is cool idea, not only because of history, even in modern politics some people believe Sabbatai Zevi followers supported and joined Young Turks revolutionaries. (conspiracy theory)
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/op...the-evolution-of-ottoman-turkish-donmes-91040
it isn’t surprising that the Dönmes became one of the most conspiracy theory-prone subjects in modern Turkey. Some have painted the Dönmes as a secret branch of world Jewry that undermined the Ottoman regime and played a central role in the demise of the empire in order to replace it with a secular Turkish Republic. Some have even claimed that Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, hailing from the Dönme heartland of Salonica, was himself a crypto-Jew.

Dönmes were also prominent in Ottoman reform movements through the 19th century. Like all other religious communities in the empire, they were divided by the advent of modernity. Some got involved in revolutionary groups, some did not; some dismissed religion as a backward remnant of a past world, some remained attached to religious traditions. Salonica became the center of the “Young Turks” of the Committee of Union and Progress (CUP), a secret society of military officers that overthrew Sultan Abdül Hamit II in 1908 and returned the empire to constitutional rule. Şişman writes that the “Salonican branch of the CUP was under virtual domination by the emancipated Dönmes.” However, although the Young Turk revolution was initially a multi-confessional movement, circumstances soon hardened sentiment into the authoritarian administration that ruled the empire through the First World War.




Also he might be added in advisor pool:
The sultan appointed him as palace doorkeeper with a generous salary.

To justify Thessaloniki city province:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/op...the-evolution-of-ottoman-turkish-donmes-91040
The fate of the Dönmes is inextricable from the fate of Salonica, (Thessaloniki in modern Greece). The vast majority of Dönmes lived in the city and a few prominent families helped turn it into what Şişman describes as “something like a Dönme city-state.” “Geographically and culturally, the city constituted a very suitable place for the Dönmes, in part because it was located far from the central Ottoman religious and political authorities, and in part because it contained such a large Jewish population,” he writes. Until the early 20th century the city was majority Jewish and it came to be known as the “Jerusalem of the Balkans.”

Economically, Salonica was hugely important. Through trade with Europe, it bucked the trend of Ottoman decline after the 16th century, and by the late 18th century it had a greater value of exports than Istanbul and Edirne combined. Dönmes and Jews dominated trade and commerce in Salonica, but because the Dönmes passed as Muslims they were in a better position to take full advantage of economic opportunities in the empire. They excelled in trade of export-import materials, particularly tobacco, and also held government posts as customs officials and civil servants.

This thread has cool ideas about Jews of Europe

Some famous Sephardim:
Sabbatai Zevi, Baruch Spinoza, Joseph Nasi, Samuel Pallache, Menasseh Ben Israel
admiral Sinan Reis (The Great Jew)

Some other famous Jews (prolly Ashkenazi)
Jacob Pollak, Moses Mendelssohn, Jacob Frank, Solomon Luria, Shneur Zalman of Liadi, Elijah Levita, Isaac Abarbanel

Karaite Jews
Isaac ben Abraham Troki

View attachment 465941
Ottomans, Poland, Netherlands, Maghreb and Egypt were popular destinations of European Jews.
I think Sabbatai Zevi should be added in admin advisor pool at Ottomans by event.

Sultan appointed him (Sabbatai Zevi) as palace doorkeeper with a generous salary.
 
Last edited:
More to come on that next week

If, by any chance, you make mission trees that are about absorbing PUs as Austria, why absorbing other vassals of fragmented Austria couldn't be a mission tree?

now Hradec province doesnt even have the city inside it

Same with Lwow. But unless it is fixed now, you will probably have to wait for years now to have it fixed.

I'm disappointed in that Austria. Styria has every right to be a sovereign nation (they were the EMPEROR, for god's sake), though less so for Tyrol as in 1444 the laker Duke Sigismund was still a minor while Frederick III, HRE and Duke of Styria acted as his regent and made sure most of the revenue of the region would flow into his own pocket.

And while that would weaken Lower Austria (or Austria proper in EU4), on November 11th 1444 they did have a PU over Hungary and within the first few years should have very good chance to gain a further PU over Bohemia (Ladislaus was proclaimed King of Bohemia in 1453). Also, Austria being historical rivals with France is ahistorical garbage, France should get a mutual opinion malus with whoever inherits Burgundy (as well as Burgundy itself). In 1444, France didn't care about Austria, and Austria didn't care about France.

What certainly can't be modeled however is Ladislaus' early death, most likely due to leukemia. So instead, why not drive Styria and Austria into war with one another? Ferdinand III was a highly ambitious man, after all. Perhaps after 1450 or so Styria gets a core on Vienna and declares war by event, if Styria wins and take Vienna they inherit Austria and Tyrol if it exists while Bohemia and Hungary are released, if Austria wins they inherit Styria and Tyrol.
You mean the events that happened after his death, or the death itself? Because the latter can be very easily modeled by an unique event with low MTTH, exclusive to Ladislaus.

It all could be incorporated by Mission Trees, making them actually very relevant to the regional gameplay at the starting date... Their practical purpose, modelling historical processes without new mechanics, could be actually fulfilled.
 
However, Stjepan's title, herceg, lived on in the Ottoman name for the territory, and this eventually became the name Herzegovina, which is what we know the area now as and, for the sake of familiarity, the name which the realm (and its capital province) is called in-game.
Personally I feel that either Duchy of Saint Sava or Principality of Hum would be more correct, as both applied to the area at the time.
 
I feel like at the very least Tirol should be split. It was't integated until long after game start and it's not like two provincess less would break Austria.
 
In the interest of historical accuracy is there no way that the Austrian and Hungarian situations could be made a bit more faithful to history, at least with regards to where borders are? Maybe by giving additional diplomatic relations in traditions, or starting with claims or cores on other territories (so they can declare war 1 month after the game starts) or, in the case of Austria, maybe even a temporary buff that makes them more likely to be elected emperor within the first 20 years or so (so they don't have to worry about losing emperorship while they consolidate territory) and in the case of Hungary could Croatia be split and have only one of them start under Hungary but with cores or claims (of the vassal's) on the other?