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EU4 - Development Diary - 21st of May 2019

Hey folks, it's time for another EU4 dev diary! My name's Mike, and like my good colleague @Caligula Caesar I've been part of the EU4 Content Design team since December. We've been working on a solid chunk of Europe, and it's time to start showcasing some of this work. As @neondt has mentioned before, we've had a lot of suggestions and feedback from the community, and through further earnest exchanges we've refined the map further.

But, before we get to the end, let's talk about the process quickly, because I know that's what you truly crave.


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This image is what was used to pitch the idea of what would end up becoming the revised province layout in northern Italy. As you'll see in a moment, it differs from what we ended up with in a couple of ways- Como was added later, along with a split in another North Italian province. Province 5 was originally conceived as a separate Aquileia province (since the country still exists as a releasable in Friuli, it was tempting to see what could be done with it) but that idea was eventually discarded in favor of a new Trieste province.


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Southern Italy developed much closer to what the original draft envisioned. The southern half of the Italian Peninsula has only a few additions, Avellino being the one that probably sticks out the most. The island of Sicily received a bit more attention, with the island's three provinces turning into five instead. Its new divisions were guided a little bit more by game design priorities than historical divisions, as historical divisions like Sicily's real province of Trapani had sizes and shapes that would have really stuck out like a sore thumb in EU4.

Unlike the northern Italian proposal, the southern Italian one was nearly implemented as-is. The biggest difference is that “Agrigento” had its name changed to “Girgenti”, which seemed more accurate for the period. Conversely, several proposed name changes to pre-existing provinces were not implemented, as they just didn't seem necessary upon review.


“Show us the new map already!” I can hear you guys politely demanding. Fine, fine!


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Three new countries were added to the map as independent states. In the far north is the Prince-Bishopric of Trent, an Austrian country in control of an Italian province. To the west lies Saluzzo, nervously wedged between Savoy and France. In Romagna, Bologna is now an independent republic coveted by its neighbors.

Alongside these three countries are a couple new potential revolters. Padua and Verona now have cores on their respective provinces and can break away from Venice if the stars align, and Spoleto now exists as a core in Spoleto province, in case the Papal State's control of Central Italy ever starts to fall apart.

If we zoom in a little, more details reveal themselves.


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As the conversation linked at the start of this post highlights, Como originally was not considered, but after some discussion it became apparent that the inclusion of it (or at least something north of Milan) was called for. Thus, Como's complete contours now complement the comprehensive composition of that corner.

The creation of a separate Bologna province also prompted a revision of the remnant of old Romagna province; the old province's capital is now Ravenna, and Ravenna was taken by Venice in 1440 or 1441, so Romagna now starts off under Venetian rather than Papal control, although the Papacy does retain its core on the province. I'm sure this is fine and will definitely not be a source of tension between the two countries.


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Southern Italy was implemented essentially as described above. Sardinia received some attention and now includes Arborea as its own province on the west side of the island, but other Sardinian giudicati were not included primarily for the sake of balance- Sassari province in northern Sardinia has only 3/3/2 development as it is, and splitting that in two would create provinces with as little development as an Uzbek province in the Steppes.

Aside from the obvious mapwork, there is one other thing we added to southern Italy:

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And there you have it! Next week, we'll be talking about missions.
 
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"To the west lies Saluzzo, nervously wedged between Savoy and France" you mean between Savoy and Provence, right? Or are you subtly hinting that France is getting it's own type of mandate of heaven mechanics (like in voltaires nightmare), or just that provence will be a subject of france? :O
 
Haven't played Eu4 in quite some time even after I bought the most recent dlc, haha. Though this will definitely get me to play some as Italian nations, especially Naples, are my most played nations. Can't wait to kick out Aragon and conquer Tunis!
 
Any new unique government reforms/forms coming to Italy?
 
Couple suggestions-

Genoa and corsica could get a new province each IMHO. And mountains to protect them.

Siena could get another precinct as qell.

Biggest issue is that the Romagna could use another province or two since they were a bunch of OPM papal vassals. Gameplay wise this should delay the Pope allying foreigners and basically starting the Italian wars earlier than he should. Cesare Borgia made a career out of trying to unify the Romagna, let us do the same!
 
Sardinia received some attention and now includes Arborea as its own province on the west side of the island
Will it be possible to release it to play as it?
 
Sicily is a ok, campania got fixed, but i agree with the guy that said that papal vassals and middle italy could have been done more in depth, siena is still in its own memel state
 
Could you please consider splitting Lombardy vertically and not horizontally? It would make much more sense.

I second that and most other your points if only it can change something.

Horizontal split of Lombardy tastes really bad given that there are perfectly historical vertical division.
Non-existance of Perugia is sad.

And after so many small & insignificant provinces added to Germany, Italy seems to receive update on lower scale.. Siena, Parma and at least few other provinces do ask for a split. I don't know why it's so hard to find good balance between different countries and why Europe is soo HRE heavy..

With all that said map of Italy looks much better now.
 
Hey folks, it's time for another EU4 dev diary! My name's Mike, and like my good colleague @Caligula Caesar I've been part of the EU4 Content Design team since December. We've been working on a solid chunk of Europe, and it's time to start showcasing some of this work. As @neondt has mentioned before, we've had a lot of suggestions and feedback from the community, and through further earnest exchanges we've refined the map further.

But, before we get to the end, let's talk about the process quickly, because I know that's what you truly crave.


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This image is what was used to pitch the idea of what would end up becoming the revised province layout in northern Italy. As you'll see in a moment, it differs from what we ended up with in a couple of ways- Como was added later, along with a split in another North Italian province. Province 5 was originally conceived as a separate Aquileia province (since the country still exists as a releasable in Friuli, it was tempting to see what could be done with it) but that idea was eventually discarded in favor of a new Trieste province.


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Southern Italy developed much closer to what the original draft envisioned. The southern half of the Italian Peninsula has only a few additions, Avellino being the one that probably sticks out the most. The island of Sicily received a bit more attention, with the island's three provinces turning into five instead. Its new divisions were guided a little bit more by game design priorities than historical divisions, as historical divisions like Sicily's real province of Trapani had sizes and shapes that would have really stuck out like a sore thumb in EU4.

Unlike the northern Italian proposal, the southern Italian one was nearly implemented as-is. The biggest difference is that “Agrigento” had its name changed to “Girgenti”, which seemed more accurate for the period. Conversely, several proposed name changes to pre-existing provinces were not implemented, as they just didn't seem necessary upon review.


“Show us the new map already!” I can hear you guys politely demanding. Fine, fine!


View attachment 482244

Three new countries were added to the map as independent states. In the far north is the Prince-Bishopric of Trent, an Austrian country in control of an Italian province. To the west lies Saluzzo, nervously wedged between Savoy and France. In Romagna, Bologna is now an independent republic coveted by its neighbors.

Alongside these three countries are a couple new potential revolters. Padua and Verona now have cores on their respective provinces and can break away from Venice if the stars align, and Spoleto now exists as a core in Spoleto province, in case the Papal State's control of Central Italy ever starts to fall apart.

If we zoom in a little, more details reveal themselves.


View attachment 482245

As the conversation linked at the start of this post highlights, Como originally was not considered, but after some discussion it became apparent that the inclusion of it (or at least something north of Milan) was called for. Thus, Como's complete contours now complement the comprehensive composition of that corner.

The creation of a separate Bologna province also prompted a revision of the remnant of old Romagna province; the old province's capital is now Ravenna, and Ravenna was taken by Venice in 1440 or 1441, so Romagna now starts off under Venetian rather than Papal control, although the Papacy does retain its core on the province. I'm sure this is fine and will definitely not be a source of tension between the two countries.


View attachment 482246

Southern Italy was implemented essentially as described above. Sardinia received some attention and now includes Arborea as its own province on the west side of the island, but other Sardinian giudicati were not included primarily for the sake of balance- Sassari province in northern Sardinia has only 3/3/2 development as it is, and splitting that in two would create provinces with as little development as an Uzbek province in the Steppes.

Aside from the obvious mapwork, there is one other thing we added to southern Italy:

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And there you have it! Next week, we'll be talking about missions.

And once again, Aragon gets more developement and more provinces.
As if they weren't already by far the most fleshed out Iberian Kingdom.
Do they already start with more provinces and development than Castille? They already start with a higher income, so might as well make them officially superior to Castille on paper as well.
 
I was hoping this wasn't the case, because as I explained this doesn't make a lot of sense in my opinion.

This was discussed in a thread time ago. As Trent in the reworked map has now its own province separated from the rest of Tirol proper (they made post WW2 Trentino and Sud Tirol basically) and we don't have a Tirolean culture group (or a Ladin group) it's not wrong to have an Italian language group to summarize the state of the new province. Venetian is the closest linguistically to the Trent city language and so it has a point. Imho if the "focus" of province culture was put on people customs and traditions instead of their language the culture should had definitely been Austrian, but that is not the case. Southern Tirolean valleys spoke (and still speak) many languages, some derived from old Bavarian, but overall ladin languages always were the majority and ladin communities naturally converge on Italian (Graubunden is the exception, but it's on the other side of the alps).
What I find arbitrary is putting that province in Italy region. Trent became legally part of the Germanic kingdom since 952 along with Verona, before it was made a Bishopric. But as opposed to the latter it remained part of the "Germanic kingdom" until the events in 1918. The devs should know the events that brought it in Bavaria since I remember a "claim Tirol" mission for the new Bavarian mission tree which should be based on these events.
 
Out of curiosity, can we see the cultures mapmode?
 
Do you have any plans to finally change Portugal's National Ideas? It's past being a joke at this point the fact that they have no military bonuses.

While at it, I would also argue for removing trade range from traditions - Portugal was still a crusader kingdom by 1444 and the current set up does not reflect this rich military history.
 
For one of the richest and most important part of the world at the time, I feel like this map and political rework is rather... underwhelming.
Especially compared to the rich parts of the Middle East or India.
 
What I find arbitrary is putting that province in Italy region. Trent became legally part of the Germanic kingdom since 952 along with Verona, before it was made a Bishopric. But as opposed to the latter it remained part of the "Germanic kingdom" until the events in 1918. The devs should know the events that brought it in Bavaria since I remember a "claim Tirol" mission for the new Bavarian mission tree which should be based on these events.
Looking at the area map it looks like it's part of the Tyrol area.