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Welcome to another development diary about Europa Universalis. Now we are very close to the announcement of the new expansion that we aim to release in June... If Frö smiles upon us....

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We have switched around what we will talk about in the development diaries for now, so today we’ll instead talk about Peace!

But first of all, lets talk about a feature that is something that some have requested..

Return Province!
Sometimes you have taken a province that is the core of a rival, or someone who do not want to buy the province, or even talk to you as you are so evil.. Not that we would ever be warmongering-alliance-breaking-world-conquerers..


Now you can just return the province to any state that has it as a core. You will lose some Agressive Expansion and prestige, but it will definitely reduce the chance of them attacking you in the short-term.


Peace Overhaul

This is obviously something that is in the accomanying patch.

First of all, we removed the treaty called annex.




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Well, instead we are now able to target every province an enemy own, so taking all provinces is an annexation.

You will also always be able to demand the capital in a peace treaty, and you also do not need to occupy territory to demand it in peace, however unoccupied territory is more expensive to claim.

Revoking cores will no longer cost diplomatic power.

Diplomatic Power Cost, War Score Costs and Prestige gain for each province now scale with the province’s development, instead of being fixed costs.

Overextension and Agressive Expansion also looks at development instead of base tax.

And finally, you’ll be able to demand gold even while “annexing”.

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Shame, looks like Burgundy's in a bit of trouble there...

Do we know yet what Burgundy's starting subjects will be? Just speculation for now? Will Holland be independent?

Check the multiplayer thread, it shows Burgundy's starting position.
 
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Shame, looks like Burgundy's in a bit of trouble there...

Do we know yet what Burgundy's starting subjects will be? Just speculation for now? Will Holland be independent?
I believe most of the lowlands are minor PU partners. Nevers is a vassal.
 
Yes, this is a potential issue... And a BIG one. Now everyone will want t ograb stuff from Portugal to colonize faster...

The changes are so big that it makes me wonder why start a game now. Any ETA for the patch?

Even if you grabbed something off portugal, it would have to be in coring range :) . But considering the level of changes introduced in the upcoming patch and DLC, I would imagine that a lot of refining would be needed by paradox for months after release.
Perhaps it would make sense to have such a major patch for a closed beta?
 
Not to mention, sometimes the history classes in school don't really cover the specifics all that well, and even if they do, it tends to be along the lines of "cram, exam, forget". When I was a little kid, I was quite interested in history. School killed that interest. Paradox games revived it ;) Gradually catching up and learning tidbits here and there (even in this very thread!) is quite fun. No need to be judgmental.
Specifics? Classes don't even cover the generals well and different parts of the world have different focuses so it what lacks is different.

For example if we go by what I learned in school(which was pretty decent as professors spent time actually teaching the content presented instead of cramming) between fall of Constantinople and French Revolution the thing that happened in Europe that wasn't related to overseas colonies was the Reformation(and even then TYW, what?) and after that only the lead-up to WW1.

East Asia in general? There were a few mentions when talking about first civilizations, a little about the Mongols, a vague acknowledgement of Europeans being there too while talking about colonization of the American continent(spices you know) , maybe a mention of India/Great Britain and... Japan participated in WW2.

Africa is mainly about Egypt(which to be fair was done well enough I am surprised sometimes about how little people know about it), a little about Carthage, a few vague mentions of Roman domination of the area and then African slaves being brought from that continent to this.
 
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Don't forget that the new fort mechanics will radically change sieges/occupations. These situations will be radically less common, I'd imagine (and they aren't super common now).

Besides, if your armies get crushed in the field, you should be at risk of losing territory.

It still end up in loosing lands in the end; I mean war reparations is usually part of the deal but on top of that, releasing nations or returning cores are obvious choices to make the next war winnable (or cancel treaties but it is very situational).

That said, yes, you are right, I did not thought of the fort mechanics.
 
Do we know yet what Burgundy's starting subjects will be? Just speculation for now? Will Holland be independent?
judging by their coats of arms, there's gonna be Holland, Brabant, Flanders and Nevers. (in an earlier screenshot there were also Hainaut and a newly-tagged Picardy, these two however seem to have been dropped during development.)

the popular opinion is that Holland, Brabant and Flanders will be under PU with Burgundy, while Nevers will be a vassal, although i don't see how this information is conveyed in the screenshots or development diaries.
 
How will your subjects and allies react to provinces you give them? If you give your vassal over 100% OE will they be returning cores? If you give them less than 100% but give them non-claim/cores will they be returning cores? Or will they return anything that's a non-core depending on RNG?
 
Capital provinces aren't magically protected unless you own all surrounding territories? All right! You can take provinces even if you can't occupy them? All right!
No removal of "Length of War" so AI will actually peace out? Not all right...
 
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I think that people at historical games forums seem to generally overvalue knowledge of history, sometime in an almost arrogant way (not implying the case this case). I agree knwoledge about the hapsburg are important and Charles Realm illustrate it quite nicely. Learning this is usefull and I remember having it in school myself. But recognizing the protraits of specific (and rather plain looking) kings? The hapsburg jaw? This is honetly just not important.

I looked at the picture and charles V immediately pinged in my head, but then again I am belgian we have beer with his face on it :D

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I think that people at historical games forums seem to generally overvalue knowledge of history, sometime in an almost arrogant way (not implying the case this case). I agree knwoledge about the hapsburg are important and Charles Realm illustrate it quite nicely. Learning this is usefull and I remember having it in school myself. But recognizing the protraits of specific (and rather plain looking) kings? The hapsburg jaw? This is honetly just not important.

I dunno. I know of the Habsburg jaw due to the war of the Spanish succession.
 
By the gods, please Paradox
make it so that there is an option to auto-pause when you are called to war.

Accidentally overlooking call to war has been a problem ever since I started with vanilla EU3.
Eight years later and it is still the same :-(
 
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By the gods, please Paradox
make it so that there is an option to auto-pause when you are called to war.

Accidentally overlooking call to war has been a problem ever since I started with vanilla EU3.
Eight years later and it is still the same :-(

I don't see how you could miss such a big pop-up on your screen... unless you're the type of person who tries to get rid of pop-ups as fast as possible.

Maybe I've just gotten so anal after playing Ironman mode.
 
If England lost Normandy, get Normandy back, then proceed to fabricate claims from there and go with the original plan? There's no reason not to have claims on atleast some French stuff if you're planning to go with klingonadmiral's idea.
Well then during the next war they¨'ll declare on you with that as wargoal and just sit on it, yes they can't reach the islands but you cant beat them on mainland europe. Basically the hundred years war over again. Sure someone playing the system might be able to avoid it but the people willing to play the game by explioting the machanics will be able to do find a way to do so regardless.
 
Shame, looks like Burgundy's in a bit of trouble there...

Do we know yet what Burgundy's starting subjects will be? Just speculation for now? Will Holland be independent?

The coats of arms in that warscore screen are Nevers, Brabant, Flanders, and Holland.
 
Don't worry, a quick bugfix patch will be able to change that. Can't have those OP Byzzies running around.

Hotfix: -Byzantium can no longer demand provinces. Ever.
 
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Ah, an estimated time for release, that is nice. Hope they can get it done before summer.
With about the same release-cycle as the previous expansions, that means a release perhaps in later half of june... then a couple of much-needed hotfixes in the next weeks, and a patch in the beginning of july if we're lucky (before summer holiday), maybe an add-on patch o iron out last bugs in mid-july if someone is working in the holiday.

Still time to play some with the current version then.