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EU4 - Development Diary - 9th of May 2017

Hello everyone and welcome to this developed diary on setup changes in the Greater Russian region!

For the upcoming 1.22 patch we’ve had another look at modern Russia and Belarus. This is a region that has received attention previously but we feel that it was not up to the level of detail we have become accustomed to in other parts of Europe and that it could not properly reflect the lay of the land in the region in 1444.

The Russian Principalities in 1444:

In 1444 Russia was still divided into a number of principalities, in many ways this is the result of the constant interference from the Golden Horde. The Khans had defeated and divided the early Russian principalities and have come to not only exact tribute from the remaining states here, but have also acted as king-makers and guarantors of princely power.
As the game opens however the Golden Horde is going through a rough couple of decades with external pressure and internal struggles, historically ending in its general breakup into a number of much weaker successor states.
The Great Horde in our start date is what remains of the core of the Golden Horde but others, such as Crimea, would in time come to conquer and attempt to usurp their role as the overlord of the Russian states.
What this means for the Russians is that while horde intervention is still a factor in local politics, they have now been given some time to grow and thrive. As one of the main collectors of tribute for the Khans, Muscovy is now in the process of building a strong power base and has already used a combination of bribes and coercion to secure control over land of the minor princes in the region.


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As you can see, in 1.22 we have chosen to greatly expand the number of provinces in this region. This allows for a greater degree of detail in the warfare in this region both between the principalities themselves and between the Russians and the Tatar hordes.
We have also taken the opportunity once again to adjust the development of the Russian region a bit, increasing it slightly to allow the states here to better make their mark upon the world.
In 1.22 one of the things this means is that some of the states we know and love are no longer the same. Ryazan is now a 4 province state and Yarloslavl and Tver are now 2 and 3 provinces respectively.

Muscovy:
First of the Russian principalities we have Muscovy itself. In 1444 this is already the dominant native power and in 1.22 it is the overlord of no less than five smaller principalities. The expanded number of provinces ensures that all is not lost simply from one battle or one siege, there is now room to move around when Kazan, the Great Horde or Lithuania comes knocking.
The greater detail has also allowed us to better show a number of centers of regional importance, giving it more of the historical depth that we have come to expect of other regions where we have overhauled the map.

Among the changes to the setup for Muscovy is also a revision of their ideas. Muscovite Ideas are now separate from those you get for forming Russia and currently look like this:

Muscovite Ideas:

Traditions:
Diplomatic Relations +1
Shock Damage Dealt +10%

1. Gatherers of Tribute: National Tax Income Modifier: +10%
2. Legacy of Dmitriy Donskoi: Yearly Army Tradition: +0.5
3. Seat of Metropolitan Bishop: Missionary Strength +1%, Tolerance of True Faith +1
4. Pomestnoe Voisko: Land Morale +10%
5. Strength of the Boyars: Stability Cost Modifier -20%
6. Zasechnaya Cherta: Fort Maintenance -20%
7. Descendants of the Byzantine Emperors: Diplomatic Reputation +1

Ambition:
Land Force Limit Modifier +33%

The decision to form Russia will in turn give a new set of ideas should you choose to abandon your old Principality ideas.

Russian Ideas:

Traditions:
National Manpower Modifier: +33%
Core-Creation Cost: -10%

Land of the Rus: Aggressive Expansion Impact: -10%
Siberian Frontier: Colonists: +1
Russian Artillery Yard: Artillery Cost: -10%, Artillery Combat Ability +10%
Life-Long Conscription: Land Force Limit Modifier: +50%
Abolish the Mestnichestvo: Yearly Corruption: -0.1
The Table of Ranks: Yearly Army Tradition: +0.25, Advisor Cost: -10%
Broaden the Curriculum of the Cadet Corps: +5% Land Morale, 10% less fire damage received

Ambition:
Yearly Legitimacy: +1

New Playable Countries:
In EU in general and in Russia in particular there’s always a decision to be made of what is to be a province with high autonomy and, what should be a subject state or even independent. Our game enforces strict differences depending on what you pick but in reality it was quite possible in many cases to be somewhere in between.
In the case of Russia in 1444, Muscovy is in possession much land that really belongs to a minor principality that they have somehow acquired (often by simply buying the land from the princes in control of it) or that is ruled by a prince that has moved to the court in Moscow, allowing the Muscovite's to administrate it for him. In 1.22 we have taken another look at how we want the Muscovite lands to be portrayed and added two new vassal tags:

The first is the small state of Rostov, between Tver and Yaroslavl. This principality was in many ways quite firmly under Muscovite control ever since its princes had sold off half of the lands to Moscow, but Rostov would not be integrated entirely until 1474.
Rostov has a long and interesting history and would continue to play an important part in Russian politics every now and then, even as a part of a greater Russian state. We therefore thought it would be an interesting addition to the mix of states you can play in 1444.

Rostov Ideas:

Traditions:
Provincial Trade Power Modifier: +10%
Idea Cost: -10%

Re-Unification of Rostov: Goods Produced Modifier: +10%
Ancient Heritage: Aggressive Expansion Impact: -10%
Ecclesiastical Center: Tolerance of True Faith: +2
Entrepot of Russia: Trade Efficiency: +10%
Rostov Architecture: Construction Cost: -10%
Political Influence: Diplomats: +1
Rostov Enamel: Production Efficiency: +10%

Ambition:
Diplomatic Reputation: +1

The second new state we have added is one in the north, right at the border with Novgorod. The principality of Beloozero was never a metropolis and is long past its glory days in 1444. Ruled by Muscovite princes it would formally be incorporated directly into Muscovy in 1486 and its nobles would mostly make their mark upon the world within the frames of the Russian Empire. It's position is an interesting one however and our game history might unfold differently.

Beloozero Ideas:

Traditions:
Trade Efficiency: +10%
Infantry Combat Ability: +10%

Martial Heritage: Cavalry Cost: -10%
Monastic Traditions: Yearly Prestige: +1
Strengthen Local Lineages: Yearly Legitimacy: +1
Northern Trade: Domestic Trade Power: +25%
Officers of Beloozero: Yearly Army Tradition +0.5
Boreal Warfare: Attrition for Enemies: +1
Scientific Patronage: Technology Cost: -5%

Ambition:
Goods Produced Modifier +10%

Novgorod:

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In the far north we have broken up some of Novgorod’s bigger provinces. Novgorod's domains always presented something of a difficulty to portray in that many of these locations had little in terms of population, yet contributed to the overall wealth of the Republic.
It also gives Novgorod some much needed strategic depth when fighting Muscovy to the south.

Lithuania:

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Lithuania has long been a region in need of greater detail. In 1.22 we have broken up and reshaped many of their provinces, especially in the northeast. When adding new provinces we have tried to accommodate important regional centers, the internal administrative divisions of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth as well as the gradual expansion of Muscovy and later Russia into Belarus and the Ukraine.
As this was a highly contested region for much of the period covered by the game this should should hopefully make the region a lot more interesting to play in. It should also allow for a more engaging conquest for strong neighboring states...

That was all for today!
Next week’s developer diary will be written by Johan and may or may not touch on more things that could impact the region...
 
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I love new provinces added to the map, probably my favourite part from updates!

I hope other areas, specifically Britain and Spain, get looked at soon!
 
Please remember to make Polish dynamic names for the all the new provinces or the region would look awkward when owned by a Polish nation with some provinces having Polish names and others not. If you want the community to take care of it, give us a full list of provinces that are going to be added in the 1.22 patch so we could already start working on the dynamic names.
 
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"7. Descendants of the Byzantine Emperors: Diplomatic Reputation +1"

Make russia dislike the ottomans somewhat, they ally and dominates the east europe in most if not all my games where im not strong enough to stop it
 
I dont get why you are all screaming about Russia 75% Manpower nerfed, Russian population wasnt bigger than France's one before early 1800's.
It's not the loss of the manpower upsetting people. It's the loss of manpower with no quality ideas to replace it. They nerfed Russia's only advantage, an advantage that was already not all that powerful
I am missing attrition from the Russian ideas. They are not the strongest ideas out there but imo they make sense. Thats how they defeated Napoleon.
It would basically be a wasted idea. The Russian winter is already pretty heavy, and any province owned by the Cossacks estate already adds +1 attrition. With the 5% attrition cap, adding attrition to the ideas is pointless and the other mechanics already cover it well enough.
 
I am missing attrition from the Russian ideas. They are not the strongest ideas out there but imo they make sense. Thats how they defeated Napoleon.

This would be cool if we didn't have an attrition cap. Oh, it would also need to give something else so that it was a stronger idea. Something like +1 to combat rolls in provinces with moderate and severe winter. Not sure if it's possible though.
 
To justify the russian Ideas there needs to be a special mechanic for Russia but not for Muscovy.
That won't make a difference, because then you just form Russia and keep your old ideas
 
From the dev clash, there seems to be a Russian mechanic that allows you to chose a focus to your armies: boyars (feudal army e.g. cav?), dvoryans (quantity army), streltsy (quality army).

If this is available to Russia and not the principalties, than this could be balanced in the end.
 
I guess I just don't understand the point of this update at all from what I'm seeing so far. If anything, Lithuania/Livonian Order and the Caucasus region needed it much more. I'm sure Russia will get some special mechanics that are pretty boring and IMO a waste of development time. I think at this point everyone's played Russia and this update isn't going to largely change how it's played at all anyway.
 
From the dev clash, there seems to be a Russian mechanic that allows you to chose a focus to your armies: boyars (feudal army e.g. cav?), dvoryans (quantity army), streltsy (quanlity army).

If this is available to Russia and not the principalties, than this could be balanced in the end.

If it is available to Custom Nation - it is available for other principalities. So, again, trash Russian ideas are trash.
 
Nice map improvements, while the idea changes indeed worry me a bit, but we'll see how it will turn out.

Few questions, do you plan some further map changes in Eastern Europe, like the Balkans for example, and also will we finally get updated Eastern European 3D models, currently there's a very visible difference between them and the updated western models, it kinda hurts the eyes when you have them one near the other.
 
Either you get both or neither. Should be easy to implement that the government only changes together with the ideas (if that isnt already the case)
Or they could just buff the Russian ideas...
It seems like all the Russian cultures get the new government according to the dev MP.
 
Russian Ideas:

Traditions:
National Manpower Modifier: +33%
Core-Creation Cost: -10%

Land of the Rus: Aggressive Expansion Impact: -10%
Siberian Frontier: Colonists: +1
Russian Artillery Yard: Artillery Cost: -10%
Life-Long Conscription: Land Force Limit Modifier: +50%
Abolish the Mestnichestvo: Yearly Corruption: -0.1
The Table of Ranks: Yearly Army Tradition: +0.25, Advisor Cost: -10%
Broaden the Curriculum of the Cadet Corps: Institution Spread +20%

Ambition:
Yearly Legitimacy: +1

Russia national ideas look all good on paper except for ONE that will not help Russia like that much at all if AI manage to get that far.

Institution spread!!! As the 7th idea? Really?

Having more provinces and more land to take from Novgorod all means that in the mid-game institution will be VERY painful slow spreading from province to province especially if you are slightly bigger than historically Russia border.

When you toss in the institution deadzone that is PLC. Russia might as well go force institution to speed it up. We all know how AI is "very smart" about that! As in not really.

Might as well change it to lower threshold before you can buy into institution in additional to 20% spread. If you want to stay with this set of idea.