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EU4 - Development Diary - 9th of October 2018

Welcome all to today’s dev diary, where I’ll be covering the long-awaited Iberian and North African map update coming in the 1.28 ‘Spain’ update.

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Nations released for the sake of example


As things currently stand, though as always things are subject to change before release, Iberia consists of 571 development over 63 provinces. This includes the Macaronesia area but now excludes Labourd, which has been returned to the French region.

In Aragon, the distinction between the Kingdom of Aragon, the Kingdom of Valencia, and the Principality of Catalonia has become more pronounced. Tarragona is now rightly in the Catalonia area, and the province of Valencia has been split so that Castello and Xativa have become separate provinces. Valencia itself has the potential to be a very rich city indeed, as the player’s actions can lead to it becoming a major producer of silk. The three major Balearic Islands have become provinces in and of themselves, linked together by a strait and comprising their own Area.

Likewise, Galicia has seen itself grow from 1 province to 4, and now has an Area all to itself.

Portugal and Granada have been gifted one additional province each: Aveiro and Malaga respectively.

Last but not least, many citizens of Navarra are looking a little confused as they wonder where their coastline has gone. Wedged between major powers and with no immediate means of escape over the ocean, Navarra will be a very challenging nation in 1.28.

New releasable nations:

Valencia: The Kingdom of Valencia was a major constituent part of the Crown of Aragon in 1444. In 1.28 the former kingdom of El Cid will be a releasable nation.

Asturias: The Kingdom of Asturias ceased to exist long before our start date, but it nicely fills the absence of releasable nations in the region.

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I’ve also taken another look at North Africa. Here we can see several new provinces along the coast, including those belonging to new nations that can emerge during the game.

The province of Demnate allows a route through the Atlas mountains; a convenient shortcut and potentially a deadly choke-point.

The Canary Islands have been split between Gran Canaria and Tenerife to represent the somewhat incomplete Castilian conquest and colonization of the islands.

For the masochists among you who play as Granada, they now have a core on the province on Ceuta.

New releasable nations:

Salé and Tétouan: Home to some of the most infamous Barbary Pirates, these nations will be releasable in 1444, and may emerge dynamically in the course of the game in the style of Habsan.

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Finally, I’ve made some minor changes to the eastern Maghreb. The province of Kairwan has been added for Tunis, and the addition of Sabha has allowed a more aesthetic redrawing of Fezzan’s borders.

That’s all for today. Next week, @Groogy will reveal some of the new features coming in the as yet unnamed Immersion pack to be released alongside 1.28.
 
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Not to be contrarian, but the more the you guys talk about provincial wealth, the less on point the discussion becomes cause the province divisions are also about representation and strategic routing lol. You'll just bait Iberia haters otherwise.

Well, this has been precisely my point since I first posted in this thread. It's terrain and gameplay that truly matters.

There also seems to be a fixation that iberian countries underperform because of the number of provinces, which is not true. They underperform because AI handles colonization horribly bad.
 
Well, this has been precisely my point since I first posted in this thread. It's terrain and gameplay that truly matters.

There also seems to be a fixation that iberian countries underperform because of the number of provinces, which is not true. They underperform because AI handles colonization horribly bad.
Not to mention that for some reason its impossible for Iberia to do commerce with North America in the game for some reason.
 
I think the reason so many of us are upset and/or baffled is because we are getting something rather different from what we expected. Nobody asked for Ibiza and Menorca, nobody thought that the next province to be added to Portugal should be Aveiro, and we hoped that since it is so easy to verify, that province names, city locations, etc. would be placed correctly (and as @Mingmung has shown in detail, they weren't). The British Isles got 20 new provinces in their ImmPack, the current map for the Iberia ImmPack adds 15 to Iberia, do you really think it is that unreasonable for us to suggest that Paradox could add 1 or 2 provinces to Portugal and 3 or 4 to Castile (and maybe drop 1 of the Baleares from Aragon)?
Exactly this. Think we got off track so maybe we should get this back on rails.

Well, this has been precisely my point since I first posted in this thread. It's terrain and gameplay that truly matters.

There also seems to be a fixation that iberian countries underperform because of the number of provinces, which is not true. They underperform because AI handles colonization horribly bad.

Also think that at least in the case of Portugal it performs poorly because of its starting bad economy which gets worse when you start colonizing. It's almost impossible to maintain a proper army/navy and start colonizing while maintaining a good flow of income - which is far from what happened irl. The situation worsened with the new Cot changes (not saying they are bad).

Not to mention that for some reason its impossible for Iberia to do commerce with North America in the game for some reason.
Why Chesapeake bay does not forward to Sevilla is beyond me. I know it did not historically but in the games parameters nothing should prevent it from doing so. Literally no point for Iberians to colonize North America if its not to form US or fuck with another colonizer.
 
Exactly this. Think we got off track so maybe we should get this back on rails.



Also think that at least in the case of Portugal it performs poorly because of its starting bad economy which gets worse when you start colonizing. It's almost impossible to maintain a proper army/navy and start colonizing while maintaining a good flow of income - which is far from what happened irl. The situation worsened with the new Cot changes (not saying they are bad).


Why Chesapeake bay does not forward to Sevilla is beyond me. I know it did not historically but in the games parameters nothing should prevent it from doing so. Literally no point for Iberians to colonize North America if its not to form US or fuck with another colonizer.

Im pretty sure there are all sorts of irl documentation about the history of commerce between Portugal and the 13 colonies-US that we could pull into here... but I am away from my laptop :D
 
I think the reason so many of us are upset and/or baffled is because we are getting something rather different from what we expected. Nobody asked for Ibiza and Menorca, nobody thought that the next province to be added to Portugal should be Aveiro, and we hoped that since it is so easy to verify, that province names, city locations, etc. would be placed correctly (and as @Mingmung has shown in detail, they weren't). The British Isles got 20 new provinces in their ImmPack, the current map for the Iberia ImmPack adds 15 to Iberia, do you really think it is that unreasonable for us to suggest that Paradox could add 1 or 2 provinces to Portugal and 3 or 4 to Castile (and maybe drop 1 of the Baleares from Aragon)?

What you say is perfectly fine IMO, it seems quite reasonable. I'd obviously wish to have more but I'd be satisfied with your proposal.
 
Im pretty sure there are all sorts of irl documentation about the history of commerce between Portugal and the 13 colonies-US that we could pull into here... but I am away from my laptop :D
Oh yes definitely. I meant as in terms of colonized land - although Portugal did try and colonize parts of Canada and did name the Labrador area.
 
Oh yes definitely. I meant as in terms of colonized land - although Portugal did try and colonize parts of Canada and did name the Labrador area.

Oh, when the Mission Tree DD comes out I'll raise hell and high water about that. Scotland has its Panama mission for crying out loud.
 
Well, I'd also be more than happy if all the cities are in the correct locations and they just rename Aveiro to Viseu and find another city for Coimbra. The Maghreb is still a mess because of city-placement. (the thread is in my signature)

That would be the 'light' version of a solution, with no new additions.

And the devs should at least try to do this, as this is fixing, not adding.
 
I made a more conservative suggestion for Iberia:
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What do you think? It has 5 new provinces in Castille and 3 new on Portugal.
I also removed Ibiza and Aveiro.
Total provinces: 65 (6 more)
 

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I agree, but I think if they went to the lengths of adding those provinces to The Baleares we are no one to demand they be removed (of course why add 3 there and 1 to Portugal is a different matter). Santarem/Ribatejo makes sense but maybe I would move it more south and call it Setubal if you want to make it coastal. Braga makes sense as Porto should not border Castille in 1444, both Guimaraes or Braga would protect the approach to the city from the North. Viseu also makes sense, but I would be happy with just 2 more provinces overall, one replacing Aveiro (like Braga) and something around Setubal or Ribatejo as presented. Castille I think Badajoz could be added, but I can't say much more for it, feel like it could be as is, don't know really.
 
I agree, but I think if they went to the lengths of adding those provinces to The Baleares we are no one to demand they be removed (of course why add 3 there and 1 to Portugal is a different matter). Santarem/Ribatejo makes sense but maybe I would move it more south and call it Setubal if you want to make it coastal. Braga makes sense as Porto should not border Castille in 1444, both Guimaraes or Braga would protect the approach to the city from the North. Viseu also makes sense, but I would be happy with just 2 more provinces overall, one replacing Aveiro (like Braga) and something around Setubal or Ribatejo as presented. Castille I think Badajoz could be added, but I can't say much more for Castille, feel like it could be as is, don't know really.

Well Santarem could be coastal if it goes to the Tagus estuary. And I only left Minorca because it was a British territory. As I said in the following message, if I had to remove more provinces that would be the first
 
True, we could make it coastal in the Tagus. I like the map though, it shows higher urban density in the north vs the south, as was at the time and still is. I think it could be acceptable changes and not balance breaking at all.
 
True, we could make it coastal in the Tagus. I like the map though, it shows higher urban density in the north vs the south, as was at the time and still is. I think it could be acceptable changes and not balance breaking at all.
Yeah. I hope this map can be considered balanced and reasonable by the devs. And if they want any justifications for my choices the can visit my thread and see my sources and reasonings;)
 
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