EU4 - Development Diary - 9th of October 2018

[zebris]

I'm really excited about this update. So this is a little feedback:
- Rename "Castilla la vieja" as Valladolid.
- Segovia was a relevant province in 15th century.
- Asturias nation is to huge.

And here come a special suggest. Make "The Iberian Wedding" as three mission, not aleatory event.
Thanks a lot.
I hope that the new update or DLC will be about HIR.

 

[tommassi]

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I'm making a few changes. Will also be revising city placement later. Oddly enough most of the cities people have noted are in the wrong place are old cities that I didn't even touch.

re: Majorca tag - Convince me and I'll do it. Make a case from both a gameplay and historical perspective

Minor suggestion here if there is still time for that: I would not draw the Zaragoza and Calatayud provinces so that you would need to cross Calatayud to go from Zaragoza to Navarre. Reason being that Calatayud is a quite mountainous area, difficult to travel through, while the trip from Zaragoza to southern Navarre is actually fully flat and along the Ebro river. Calatayud should be a good place to have a fort to defend Aragon from Castille, but it shouldn't at all be a problem for someone attacking from Navarre.

As for the Kingdom of Mallorca: best reason I can come with is that it actually existed, contrary to Asturias (which in fact is the same kingdom as Leon, so you have it represented twice). Gameplay reason: none. But that´s just the same with Asturias, the way I see it.

 

[Calanon]

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I'm making a few changes. Will also be revising city placement later. Oddly enough most of the cities people have noted are in the wrong place are old cities that I didn't even touch.

re: Majorca tag - Convince me and I'll do it. Make a case from both a gameplay and historical perspective

The Kingdom of Majorca was a constituent kingdom within the Crown of Aragon - if Valencia gets its own tag, it's only fair Majorca does too, instead of being lumped with Catalonia. Especially with dividing the Balaeres into three, I think it is deserving. Also it has a cool flag.

 

[flogi]

I think that adding a large (as in, much more than I've added here for Iberia) number of new provinces in Europe would require a look at overall development balance. Particularly raising the global total amount of development. I won't say that will never happen but it isn't planned right now. And that means there's a limit on how many provinces we can add before each province becomes too weak individually.

Absolutely. I think we all can agree on that. Its also a fine line where a lot of provinces could turn out to be some too many so I can understand the reluctance adding many more with all the effect on other futures like development, buildings, states, warfare and last but not least overall balancing.
I personally love the depth Beyond Typus for example adds to some areas but not all people might enjoy the micro management that might come with it at some point.

 

[Alaitoc]

So now Aragon has 16 provinces for 950k inhabitants, compared to Sicily's 3 for 600k inhabitants, Tuscany's 4 or 5 for 750k inhabitants, Milan's 4 for 1.25 million inhabitants, and Naples's 9 or 10 provinces for 2 million inhabitants. Italy really, really needs to be looked over.

It's a good thing population doesn't determine province density then. Milan and Tuscany already have some of the highest development provinces in the game.

 

[R Rex]

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I'm making a few changes. Will also be revising city placement later. Oddly enough most of the cities people have noted are in the wrong place are old cities that I didn't even touch.

re: Majorca tag - Convince me and I'll do it. Make a case from both a gameplay and historical perspective

If u add valencia u add Majorca, in fact Majorca was an independent realm for a while a wage war againts the aragonese who ultimately defeated them but with its important ports and estrategic position for trade ( between iberia france and genova) it could an aspiring thalasocracy and also it not fair all other islans in the mediterranian have a tag of their own (corsica, crete...) But not Majorca???

 

[Mingmung]

I'd recommend as another person said. Instead of creating a province for Lleida, rename Urgell to Lleida since from that period of time to the future would be the important city of that province and reshape the province a little bit to fit Lleida. It would actually look like IRL province. If you want to keep the border between Huesca and Tarragona you can slightly redraw Huesca province like IRL too. The black dots are where the capitals of those province should be, Tarragona province should've capital Tarragona. (Unless you want to make a Tortosa province but that would be really small).

Great suggestion on how to perfectly nail the provinces of the Crown of Aragon! Those two are the only "wrongs" left. Not sure if Xátiva is placed correctly, though.

 

[Monphat]

I understand your point, but Portugal is not that imbalanced. Historically speaking Castille and Portugal were good allies, hence you have a powerful friend to face Morocco. Portugal is quite safe under the Castilian umbrella thus bringing balance to a Portuguese run... unless you want to go up against Castille yourself but here again you can find a good ally in Aragon. You know who is the real loser of tags? Navarra. Here is a real challenge! But I'm sure our Basque fans will rise to it! And yes, we have more in store for Portugal but that is still a secret!

But here is the thing: historically Castille/Spain and Portugal were not that fond of each other. There were very good reasons for:

1) Portuguese alliance with England (which makes no sense in the game);
2) Heavy fortification line in Alentejo on Portuguese/Spanish border;
3) Pretty bitter rivalry for colonies culminating in direct intervention by the Pope;
4) The fact that Spain jumped at earliest opportunity to annex Portugal when the latter lost all of its army in Morocco;
5) The fact that Portuguese resisted Spanish rule so much that they were granted independence way before the rest of Spanish holdings.

Portugal was obviously much weaker than Spain but it was not a pushover and had the necessary strength to keep the latter away. This strength is not reflected in the game, which is a problem and why I consider it to be imbalanced.

Glad to hear that it will get more stuff, though.

 

[Agoria]

Paradox you need to at least divide Porto and Braga/Guimaraes, Lisbon and Setubal and/or Santarém (Ribatejo). At the very least. Common, even Ireland has more provinces...
You know that Portugal is supposed to be able to grab moroccan provinces with no castillan help right ?

 

[Franciscus123]

But here is the thing: historically Castille/Spain and Portugal were not that fond of each other. There were very good reasons for:

1) Portuguese alliance with England (which makes no sense in the game);
2) Heavy fortification line in Alentejo on Portuguese/Spanish border;
3) Pretty bitter rivalry for colonies culminating in direct intervention by the Pope;
4) The fact that Spain jumped at earliest opportunity to annex Portugal when the latter lost all of its army in Morocco;
The fact that Portuguese resisted Spanish rule so much that they were granted independence way before the rest of Spanish holdings.

Portugal was obviously much weaker than Spain but it was not a pushover and had the necessary strength to keep the latter away. This strength is not reflected in the game, which is a problem and why I consider it to be imbalanced.

Glad to hear that it will get more stuff, though.

Pretty much confronted one another whenever possible after the Portuguese claimant in the War of Castilian Succession lost up to the Napoleonic Wars.

Paradox you need to at least divide Porto and Braga/Guimaraes, Lisbon and Setubal and/or Santarém (Ribatejo). At the very least. Common, even Ireland has more provinces...
You know that Portugal is supposed to be able to grab moroccan provinces with no castillan help right ?

Would not say 1 on 1 Morocco at the start, as it is unrealistic, but should be able to put up much more of a fight. And those divisions would make sense, especially Guimaraes and Setubal. Already suggested dividing the Algarve as well, more coastal provinces is what Portugal needs, even without much of a dev boost.

 

[AlphaSonic]

@RodDel

What about adding the Kingdom of Toledo as a releasable for Castille instead of Asturias? It was never independent and it always belonged to the crown of Castille but it could be a nice releasable tag that would actually be somewhat historical and since it didn't have much defined border you could actually have some liberty to add a few provinces.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castilian_Kingdom_of_Toledo

 

[Mingmung]

1-2 more provinces for central Castille and Portugal wouldn't hurt, would it. XD

 

[ratkus]

what about navarras border? maybe tweak the western bit

Spoiler: map

 

[perp22]

ALELUYA SPAIN!!!!!!

But please bare in mind that Lleida is not in Aragon but it is in Catalonia (Urgell should be named as Lleida), the new province in Aragaon could be called as Calatayud (but this must be close to Soria and Cuenca, not in this side). Furthermore, I missed another province among Soria, Madrid and Cuenca called GUADALAJARA, one of the most important Renaissance cities in Spain and the home of the powerfull Mendozas's family with their famous palace called Palacio del Infantado (one of the first Renaissance buildings built in Spain).

On the other hand I think that the province called Extremadura sould be named as Caceres and Castilla La Vieja should change into Valladolid.

 

[Agoria]

I Historically speaking Castille and Portugal were good allies

I was sure until now that Castile and Portugal were in-game friends because Portugal would get annihilated way too often otherwise, but it's actually because you DO think that they were allies...
Sorry, wtf ?
9 wars during the game's timeframe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish–Portuguese_War

 

[gougluinn]

Only one new province for Portugal? Hopefully they at least got a flat development boost, because they're really lackluster compared to their real life counterpart in this time period. Hopefully their rivalry with the Ottomans is also showcased in the missions and events.

Since there is invincible Mamluks, the tech leader in most times, AI Ottomans cant reach to Indian Ocean and even if AI does, doesnt make a fleet for Indian operations.

 

[Camara]

Also I think the Iberian wedding event should be reworked.

In history Castile entered a personal union with Aragon but it could have easily been with Portugal as well, between 1475 and 1500 Portugal was about to enter PU with Castile 3 times (the first in the war of the Castilian Sucession with Afonso V of Portugal marrying the heiress of Castile Joana, the second with prince Afonso of Portugal marrying Isabella (daughter of the catholic kings that would be heiress when prince Juan died) and third with king Manuel I of Portugal marrying the same Isabella, with her dying in the birth of their child Manuel da Paz who died young).

The union of the iberian kingdoms was something that was lurking all over the first 200 years of the game and I think Portugal shouldn't be excluded from it.
What should happen IMHO is that it can be Portugal+Castile or Aragon+Castile, with the senior in the union being one of the 3 (not always Castile).

 

[gougluinn]

Any chance of the Sirt province becoming part of the Maghreb region instead of Egypt? It looks bordergorish and doesn't reflect Roman borders that we all obviously care about.

Otherwise can't say I really like the massive intrusive red lines between the islands visually, good to know it's for a greater good at least.

Ottoman annex Egypt mission and claims related there should be removed too.

 

[Agoria]

Would not say 1 on 1 Morocco at the start, as it is unrealistic, but should be able to put up much more of a fight. And those divisions would make sense, especially Guimaraes and Setubal. Already suggested dividing the Algarve as well, more coastal provinces is what Portugal needs, even without much of a dev boost.

They conquered Ceuta with 45000 men in 1415, so why not ?
They probably had help from christiandom but something should exist to emulate that. Anyway, even three more provinces would not be enough to emulate their land power if there is no boost on prov dev.

 

[Franciscus123]

They conquered Ceuta with 45000 men in 1415, so why not ?
They probably had help from christiandom but something should exist to emulate that. Anyway, even three more provinces would not be enough to emulate their land power if there is no boost on prov dev.

Yes Ceuta, a coastal province, by surprise. The Portuguese Army usually avoided straying too far into inland Morocco to avoid being cut off and surrounded in hostile ground.

What I meant to say, is that a quick war favours Portugal, especially if they can quickly grab a fort, but it's a low manpower nation which certainly can't afford to go deep into Morocco at the start without some help or massive loans for a merc army.