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EU4 - Development Diary - 9th of October 2018

Welcome all to today’s dev diary, where I’ll be covering the long-awaited Iberian and North African map update coming in the 1.28 ‘Spain’ update.

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Nations released for the sake of example


As things currently stand, though as always things are subject to change before release, Iberia consists of 571 development over 63 provinces. This includes the Macaronesia area but now excludes Labourd, which has been returned to the French region.

In Aragon, the distinction between the Kingdom of Aragon, the Kingdom of Valencia, and the Principality of Catalonia has become more pronounced. Tarragona is now rightly in the Catalonia area, and the province of Valencia has been split so that Castello and Xativa have become separate provinces. Valencia itself has the potential to be a very rich city indeed, as the player’s actions can lead to it becoming a major producer of silk. The three major Balearic Islands have become provinces in and of themselves, linked together by a strait and comprising their own Area.

Likewise, Galicia has seen itself grow from 1 province to 4, and now has an Area all to itself.

Portugal and Granada have been gifted one additional province each: Aveiro and Malaga respectively.

Last but not least, many citizens of Navarra are looking a little confused as they wonder where their coastline has gone. Wedged between major powers and with no immediate means of escape over the ocean, Navarra will be a very challenging nation in 1.28.

New releasable nations:

Valencia: The Kingdom of Valencia was a major constituent part of the Crown of Aragon in 1444. In 1.28 the former kingdom of El Cid will be a releasable nation.

Asturias: The Kingdom of Asturias ceased to exist long before our start date, but it nicely fills the absence of releasable nations in the region.

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I’ve also taken another look at North Africa. Here we can see several new provinces along the coast, including those belonging to new nations that can emerge during the game.

The province of Demnate allows a route through the Atlas mountains; a convenient shortcut and potentially a deadly choke-point.

The Canary Islands have been split between Gran Canaria and Tenerife to represent the somewhat incomplete Castilian conquest and colonization of the islands.

For the masochists among you who play as Granada, they now have a core on the province on Ceuta.

New releasable nations:

Salé and Tétouan: Home to some of the most infamous Barbary Pirates, these nations will be releasable in 1444, and may emerge dynamically in the course of the game in the style of Habsan.

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Finally, I’ve made some minor changes to the eastern Maghreb. The province of Kairwan has been added for Tunis, and the addition of Sabha has allowed a more aesthetic redrawing of Fezzan’s borders.

That’s all for today. Next week, @Groogy will reveal some of the new features coming in the as yet unnamed Immersion pack to be released alongside 1.28.
 
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No updates for the South France? A little bit dissapointing, IMO. Other updates are nice, though.
right? at least Béarn and Foix could be used to properly picture the complex vassalages in the south of France, as well as the eventual relocation of the kingdom of Navarra.
 
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I was sure until now that Castile and Portugal were in-game friends because Portugal would get annihilated way too often otherwise, but it's actually because you DO think that they were allies...
Sorry, wtf ?
9 wars during the game's timeframe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish–Portuguese_War


Very good:

1 War: Succession (dynastic rights)
2 War: Succession (dynastic rights)
3 War: Succession (dynastic rights)
4 War: Liberation
5 War: European War Spanish Throne Succession

Yes, for 350 years, they had 5 dynastic wars.

Not a war of invasion.


In 1578 when Portugal ran out of army, Philip II did not attack.

Attacks in 1580 when the appointed king dies (that is, he was appointed king in 1578 after the death of the king and died in 1580)
and his dynasty disappears.
And Felipe II had dynastic rights, was the third in succession line.

The first one did not have anyone to support him.

Please, even look at wikipedia, because there are things that are false.
 
Please, don't forget Galicia. Those provinces are wrong. You don't need to change the number or shapes, just the names:
A Coruna -> A Coruña (current name) / Cruña (traditional name). Chose the name you prefer, but remember, never, NEVER use "La" Coruña. If you have problems with the "ñ", you can use A Corunha / Crunia.
Lugo -> Lugo, it's ok, it was a very important city and province.
Vigo -> Pontevedra / Tui. WTF? Vigo? Vigo is a big city today, not in the XV century. Pontevedra was a more important city at that time, but Tui is always forgotten even it had its own province in the kingdom and its own cathedral.
Orense -> Ourense, for god's sake. Let's avoid hispanicization of toponyms.

Also you should delete that weird kingdom of Asturias. Asturias was part of the kingdom of León, and the rest was part of the kingdom of Castile.

Btw, great update! Thanks!

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Very good:

1 War: Succession (dynastic rights)
2 War: Succession (dynastic rights)
3 War: Succession (dynastic rights)
4 War: Liberation
5 War: European War Spanish Throne Succession

Yes, for 350 years, they had 5 dynastic wars.

Not a war of invasion.


In 1578 when Portugal ran out of army, Philip II did not attack.

Attacks in 1580 when the appointed king dies and his dynasty disappears.
And Felipe II had dynastic rights, was the third in succession line.

The first one did not have anyone to support him.

Please, even look at wikipedia, because there are things that are false.

So because most wars were dynastic ones they were friends ?
And my link is about wars but not only wars show rivalry ; the discovery of America itself is a result of Castile trying to keep up with Portugal in the race to reach India.
I'm not even sure that they ever fought on the same side in any war, besides during the Iberian Union.
 
Well my last suggestion

Portugal should have 12 provinces:

Province - capital city

Tras os montes - Bragança
Minho - Braga (the oldest bishopric of Portugal)
Douro - Porto (estuary)
Beira interior - Castelo Branco (strategic fortress)
Beira litoral - Coimbra
Ribatejo - Santarém (order of christ in tomar, just check how important they were to the hole exploration and discovery age)
Extremadura - Lisboa (estuary)
Sado - Setúbal (estuary)
Alto Alentejo - Évora (strategic fortress)
Baixo Alentejo - Beja
Algarve oeste - Lagos (where started the exploration age and famous boat building region in sagres)
Algarve este - Faro

I'm leaving beira alta away because it was never that important. In galicia there should be only 3 provinces, lugo coruna and vigo.

Granada I agree with 4

Castille, well so much to do... That estremadura and badajoz looks veryyyy bad...

Aragon seems that have too many provinces compared to castille and portugal

Why put 2 provinces in baleares? What is the importance of that?
 
Please, don't forget Galicia. Those provinces are wrong. You don't need to change the number or shapes, just the names:
A Coruna -> A Coruña (current name) / Cruña (traditional name). Chose the name you prefer, but remember, never, NEVER use "La" Coruña.
Lugo -> Lugo, it's ok, it was a very important city and province.
Vigo -> Pontevedra / Tui. WTF? Vigo? Vigo is a big city today, not in the XV century. Pontevedra was a more important city at that time, but Tui is always forgotten even it had its own province in the kingdom and its own cathedral.
Orense -> Ourense, for god's sake. Let's avoid hispanicization of toponyms.

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I agree, Im a spaniard myself, but if Galicia was to ever be independent, im sure they wouldnt be speaking in Castellano or be hispanicised. They would be speaking Galician and naming cities in Galician.
 
Well my last suggestion

Portugal should have 12 provinces:

Province - capital city

Tras os montes - Bragança
Minho - Braga (the oldest bishopric of Portugal)
Douro - Porto (estuary)
Beira interior - Castelo Branco (strategic fortress)
Beira litoral - Coimbra
Ribatejo - Santarém (order of christ in tomar, just check how important they were to the hole exploration and discovery age)
Extremadura - Lisboa (estuary)
Sado - Setúbal (estuary)
Alto Alentejo - Évora (strategic fortress)
Baixo Alentejo - Beja
Algarve oeste - Lagos (where started the exploration age and famous boat building region in sagres)
Algarve este - Faro

I'm leaving beira alta away because it was never that important. In galicia there should be only 3 provinces, lugo coruna and vigo.

Granada I agree with 4

Castille, well so much to do... That estremadura and badajoz looks veryyyy bad...

Aragon seems that have too many provinces compared to castille and portugal

Why put 2 provinces in baleares? What is the importance of that?
Those are the current provinces of Portugal, not the old ones.

Anyway, there should indeed be a clear difference in the naming of Galician provinces in the Castillian or Galician language. And I agree that Vigo might not be the best name for a province there, but well....
 
So because most wars were dynastic ones they were friends ?
And my link is about wars but not only wars show rivalry ; the discovery of America itself is a result of Castile trying to keep up with Portugal in the race to reach India.
I'm not even sure that they ever fought on the same side in any war, besides during the Iberian Union.


I do not know if the towns were friends or enemies.
The kings and queens married their children among them, that's the way it is.
The king of Portugal did not marry his daughter with a Russian or a Tuscan or Brandenburg, married him with a Castilian.

That is why they are dynastic wars, for throne rights because they had married each other.

And it turns out in 300 years, 4 times there were Castellanos who could have right to the Portuguese throne.

And a Portuguese if he does not die, he would have unified the 3 thrones before Felipe II.

A Portuguese, I do not know if they were friends or not, but there was noble sex.
 
Here's to hoping the Republic of Pirates and other little pirate centric flags like Tortuga can raise a flag and Join Sale & Tetouan on the waves to terrorise the Atlantic & the Mediterreanean respectively. That's if im not misinterpreting this as flavourful tags with privateering focuses and not anything else like pirate states to justify these small OPM's.

@neondt If pirates enter the game more noticibly, will privateering from wealth of nations be released as free content?
 
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Very good:

1 War: Succession (dynastic rights)
2 War: Succession (dynastic rights)
3 War: Succession (dynastic rights)
4 War: Liberation
5 War: European War Spanish Throne Succession

Yes, for 350 years, they had 5 dynastic wars.

Not a war of invasion.


In 1578 when Portugal ran out of army, Philip II did not attack.

Attacks in 1580 when the appointed king dies (that is, he was appointed king in 1578 after the death of the king and died in 1580)
and his dynasty disappears.
And Felipe II had dynastic rights, was the third in succession line.

The first one did not have anyone to support him.

Please, even look at wikipedia, because there are things that are false.

Your point being? After that there were plenty of colonial conflicts (Uruguai for example used to be a Portuguese colony). Dynastic wars mostly yes, but a couple of wars of invasion before the game's time frame, and many years of conflict during. The war for Portuguese independence lasted for 28 years, and you can't really say both countries maintained amicable relations after that. Not to mention most Portuguese resented Spain for what they saw as a diminished Portuguese Empire after the Union, due to conflicts with the Dutch and even with England that Portugal did not want.
 
Those are the current provinces of Portugal, not the old ones.

Anyway, there should indeed be a clear difference in the naming of Galician provinces in the Castillian or Galician language. And I agree that Vigo might not be the best name for a province there, but well....

Mate, I'm portuguese, which one do you think its new?

I'm not putting Leiria, portimao, almada, aveiro or sintra... Those are new cities...
 
Pretty much confronted one another whenever possible after the Portuguese claimant in the War of Castilian Succession lost up to the Napoleonic Wars.

Good thing the game starts 28 years before that, eh?

Here's an idea; at the start of the game, both Aragon and Portugal have historical friend with Castille. If you as Castille can get through the age without triggering the Castillian Civil War then it's sunshine and rainbows between the iberian nations (with perhaps new opportunities to get PU events for both) but if you don't, you have to pick one, and the disaster will end with you losing the Historical Friend with the loser and get an Iberian Wedding with the winner.
 
I don't want to complain, I like what you showed us here and are working on
BUT!
People here are posting feedback about wrong placement of cities, wrong province capitals etc. and you all are "ofc thx for feedback, we are fixing it right now" - which is great, really, appreciate that.
But when you worked on Poland update, ppl sent you list of wrong placed and/or named cities and I don't remember any response, not even "thx for feedback, but we can't fix it right now, because of deadline". Nothing.

TL;DR at least fix "Wilkmerge" name in Lithuania! It's not Lithuanian, nor Polish name.
 
Good thing the game starts 28 years before that, eh?

Here's an idea; at the start of the game, both Aragon and Portugal have historical friend with Castille. If you as Castille can get through the age without triggering the Castillian Civil War then it's sunshine and rainbows between the iberian nations (with perhaps new opportunities to get PU events for both) but if you don't, you have to pick one, and the disaster will end with you losing the Historical Friend with the loser and get an Iberian Wedding with the winner.

That would make much more sense. I'm not against the historical friend modifier at the start, just saying that they weren't exactly best friends, not like Portugal and England at all.
I actually really like your suggestion.
 
The fact that Castilla la Vieja is still called that instead of Valladolid... Castilla la Vieja goes from Galicia to Aragon, and from Asturias to Madrid. It's everything in between not including those limits. Stop having it being a province. Look at a modern Spain map divided in communities (like federal states). Castilla la Vieja is the community of Castilla y Leon

Also Toledo shape is disgusting. Madrid, just like Zaragoza is not in the right place as both are leaning to the east in the new map.

About Navarra. thanks for removing the coastline as it was in reality, but if you could redraw the shape to make it look a bit less cartoonish.... That would be apreciated

But the worse thing of all is the Asturias tag. If Leon made no sense at all since Castille was already a unitary idea Asturias is just stupid.
ASTURIAS IS LEON, AND LEON IS ASTURIAS. Why do you think CK2 offers a title switch by decision? Leon was Asturias when the capital moved from Asturias to Leon, nothing new. And while a case could be made for Leon independent sice there was a Leonese culture(even though completely assimilated inside Castille, therefore it's a nonsensical tag), Asturian culture and therefore Asturian independance is and was something never considered or plausible even in the most ridiculous way.
I understand players would want to play with those crazy ideas, but its quite disgusting when you are playing away from Iberia, take a look, and see Leon released.

Those were the things I dislike, but don't get me wrong. Love the map, specially the islands. Keep up the good work
 
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I'm making a few changes. Will also be revising city placement later. Oddly enough most of the cities people have noted are in the wrong place are old cities that I didn't even touch.

re: Majorca tag - Convince me and I'll do it. Make a case from both a gameplay and historical perspective ;)

IMHO Aragon crown has too many provinces now:

I think will be good being like this:

Kingdon of aragon: Tag- Aragon, Provinces 3:Huesca,Zaragoza,Teruel
Kingdom of valencia: Tag- Valencia, Provinces 3:Castello,Valencia,Alicante
Catalonia: Tag-Catalonia, Provinces 4:Barcelona,Lerida,Gerona,Rosellon
Kingdom of Mallorca: Tag-Mallorca Provinces 3: Ibiza,Mallorca,Menorca

The last king off Mallorca "de iure" not "de facto" was Jaime IV de Mallorca,he dies in 1375,before the starting of the game,also,before game starts Kingdom off Mallorca losed all the continental possesions and never had more privative kings,since this data the king of aragons crown was the king off Mallorca,before that, kings of mallorca were vassals off aragon king
I think Kingdom of mallorca deserves a tag because since the dates that game starts until nowadays all kings of aragon and spain had the title of Mallorca in their collection off titles,also is good for represent the decentralization of aragon crown,is true kingdom of mallorca dont have courts and they have to go to the aragon courts,but it was a kingdom integrated in the aragons crown,so i think they deserve their own tag
 
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