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EU4 - Development Diary - 9th of October 2018

Welcome all to today’s dev diary, where I’ll be covering the long-awaited Iberian and North African map update coming in the 1.28 ‘Spain’ update.

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Nations released for the sake of example


As things currently stand, though as always things are subject to change before release, Iberia consists of 571 development over 63 provinces. This includes the Macaronesia area but now excludes Labourd, which has been returned to the French region.

In Aragon, the distinction between the Kingdom of Aragon, the Kingdom of Valencia, and the Principality of Catalonia has become more pronounced. Tarragona is now rightly in the Catalonia area, and the province of Valencia has been split so that Castello and Xativa have become separate provinces. Valencia itself has the potential to be a very rich city indeed, as the player’s actions can lead to it becoming a major producer of silk. The three major Balearic Islands have become provinces in and of themselves, linked together by a strait and comprising their own Area.

Likewise, Galicia has seen itself grow from 1 province to 4, and now has an Area all to itself.

Portugal and Granada have been gifted one additional province each: Aveiro and Malaga respectively.

Last but not least, many citizens of Navarra are looking a little confused as they wonder where their coastline has gone. Wedged between major powers and with no immediate means of escape over the ocean, Navarra will be a very challenging nation in 1.28.

New releasable nations:

Valencia: The Kingdom of Valencia was a major constituent part of the Crown of Aragon in 1444. In 1.28 the former kingdom of El Cid will be a releasable nation.

Asturias: The Kingdom of Asturias ceased to exist long before our start date, but it nicely fills the absence of releasable nations in the region.

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I’ve also taken another look at North Africa. Here we can see several new provinces along the coast, including those belonging to new nations that can emerge during the game.

The province of Demnate allows a route through the Atlas mountains; a convenient shortcut and potentially a deadly choke-point.

The Canary Islands have been split between Gran Canaria and Tenerife to represent the somewhat incomplete Castilian conquest and colonization of the islands.

For the masochists among you who play as Granada, they now have a core on the province on Ceuta.

New releasable nations:

Salé and Tétouan: Home to some of the most infamous Barbary Pirates, these nations will be releasable in 1444, and may emerge dynamically in the course of the game in the style of Habsan.

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Finally, I’ve made some minor changes to the eastern Maghreb. The province of Kairwan has been added for Tunis, and the addition of Sabha has allowed a more aesthetic redrawing of Fezzan’s borders.

That’s all for today. Next week, @Groogy will reveal some of the new features coming in the as yet unnamed Immersion pack to be released alongside 1.28.
 
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The use of castillianized names in Galicia is a bit of a touchy point nowadays for Galicians.

Please, at least do use Galician place names if the state culture is Galician or Portuguese. The most precise way to do it would be to use Galician place names if Galician is an accepted culture, and currently the most accepted answer to the question of Galician place names is that they are to be used only in Galician even in Castillian texts.

Also, converting provinces or changing the state culture to Galician should change the place name in the Iberian Peninsula at least, if you want to maintain consistence.
 
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The fact that Castilla la Vieja is still called that instead of Valladolid... Castilla la Vieja goes from Galicia to Aragon, and from Asturias to Madrid. It's everything in between not including those limits. Stop having it being a province. Look at a modern Spain map divided in communities (like federal states). Castilla la Vieja is the community of Castilla y Leon

Also Toledo shape is disgusting. Madrid, just like Zaragoza is not in the right place as both are leaning to the east in the new map.

About Navarra. thanks for removing the coastline as it was in reality, but if you could redraw the shape to make it look a bit less cartoonish.... That would be apreciated

But the worse thing of all is the Asturias tag. If Leon made no sense at all since Castille was already a unitary idea Asturias is just stupid.
ASTURIAS IS LEON, AND LEON IS ASTURIAS. Why do you think CK2 offers a title switch by decision? Leon was Asturias when the capital moved from Asturias to Leon, nothing new. And while a case could be made for Leon independent sice there was a Leonese culture(even though completely assimilated inside Castille, therefore it's a nonsensical tag), Asturian culture and therefore Asturian independance is and was something never considered or plausible even in the most ridiculous way.
I understand players would want to play with those crazy ideas, but its quite disgusting when you are playing away from Iberia, take a look, and see Leon released.

Those were the things I dislike, but don't get me wrong. Love the map, specially the islands. Keep up the good work
The Leonese culture was not totally assimilated inside Castille until far later (as astur-leonese was of great importance in the Leon kingdom until the 18th century). I would love to have an asturian tag (ideally should be the same as Leon but just a name / idea change or just Asturias I guess) but yeah the borders of the "asturian" kingdom make no sense at all. The origin of Castile and of Navarre being make me WTF.
Edit: maybe we can have a OPM releasable asturias for a "rereconquest" achivement that is inside Leon which would be more close to reality.
 
I don't want to complain, I like what you showed us here and are working on
BUT!
People here are posting feedback about wrong placement of cities, wrong province capitals etc. and you all are "ofc thx for feedback, we are fixing it right now" - which is great, really, appreciate that.
But when you worked on Poland update, ppl sent you list of wrong placed and/or named cities and I don't remember any response, not even "thx for feedback, but we can't fix it right now, because of deadline". Nothing.

TL;DR at least fix "Wilkmerge" name in Lithuania! It's not Lithuanian, nor Polish name.
They adressed it in my Polish thread. See my signature.
 
You know, this looks pretty good! Might inspire a nice Spanish play through - not done one in about 500 hours. Now, PLEASEEEEEE do something with Switzerland. Its the best nation to have a tall play through as you are LITERALLY in the middle of all the big players. It needs more provinces, a unique govt. and new ideas. Nothing beats sending a full load of condottieri that are professional and drilled out and smacking a load of french troops in the face.
 
The Leonese culture was not totally assimilated inside Castille until far later (as astur-leonese was of great importance in the Leon kingdom until the 18th century). I would love to have an asturian tag (ideally should be the same as Leon but just a name / idea change or just Asturias I guess) but yeah the borders of the "asturian" kingdom make no sense at all. The origin of Castile and of Navarre being make me WTF.
Edit: maybe we can have a OPM releasable asturias for a "rereconquest" achivement that is inside Leon which would be more close to reality.
Even Asturians agree: this asturian cores make no sense
 
@neondt

Please can you make sure that all the new Spanish provinces have the appropriate dynamic Basque names
If you provide the list then we can have a look at it
 
Even Asturians agree: this asturian cores make no sense
I mean, Cantabria and Burgos are where Castile was born and the Basque region was always more of Navarra than Castiles.
There is some cultural similarities between most of North Spain (that is from Basque to Galicia) but that is more in common with the climate and mountains between them and the main part of Spain, not from being on the same kingdom.
But please keep the Asturias tag!
Also I would give Navarra a core in the Basque region to simulate how it was theirs until not long ago and how it was their last port. However, that might make it impossible to diplovassalize them as Castile which would not be good.
 
"New releasable nations: Valencia"

What a nice surprise. this is announced on October 9 where here we commemorate the conquest of the city to the Muslims on October 9, 1238
 
New releasable nations:

Out of curiosity, are y'all going to touch up the systems that mean most tags lose their cores without ever seeing the light of day? I assume these tags aren't going to be primary nations for a culture, and at least for me, I'd like it if I didn't have to spend each game watching all these tags disappear with no impact on the game at all. Otherwise I don't see these nations mattering too much, since there are other, better, and more easily accessible tags to vassalize if someone wants (Navarra, Catalonia, or Granada, depending on where you're coming from).
 
I agree with my spanish friends about the lack of research on some provinces being added/modified, however I see that is quickly being addressed so I thank the dev team.

But obviously, i'm much more familiar with Portugal. Here go my thoughts on it:

Like it was pointed out, Portugal did punch way above it's weight. The comparison to the netherlands and prussia was made, but I don't think that's fair. Those two countries had much more population and were more developed (compared with the rest of the world) at the time of their rise.
Portugal was indeed a low population country, but it managed to punch above it's weight due to great leadership and elites determined to get more than they had (for themselves I think, not for the king himself ahah). So, IMO, this should be represented by much more powerful national ideas. Ideas that would allow the country to be strong, despite not having great initial provinces.
The lack of military ideas (naval or otherwise) is clearly a problem for me. It should be easy for Portugal to conquer centers of trade along the african coast while also colonizing the americas. But right now, that's pretty much impossible.

Also, it was mentioned by a dev that Portugal and Spain had friendly relations. This could not be more far from the truth. Portugal allied with the british precisely because of the spanish. Portugal recognized the USA promptly, so it would be easier to secure an alliance that would shield us from spain. Portugal's diplomacy was very much about having strong alliances to deter the spanish, all the way up to 1986! Yes, that recently. Only when we entered the EU with spain, did that policy change.
Obviously there were a few moments where Portugal and Spain allied, most notoriously against Napoleon. But those are not the norm.
With that said, I understand the need for "historical friends" in game. Portugal is way too weak and would not survive without that, in game. But the problem needs to be fixed by strong national ideas.


IMO (this part is more of an opinion, not really a fact), Portugal succeeded due to strong leadership despite lacking natural resources or a numerous population. Spain, on the other hand, succeeded due to having great natural resources and a large population, despite terrible leadership (not always, but mostly). Most spanish kings had way too much to focus on and could never decide what should be their priority (charles V is probably the best example of that).

PS: I do not mean to insult the spanish people (or anybody else), It's just my opinion. And I enjoy your country very much, so definitely not a hater ;)
 
I won't pretend like i know their history better than the Spaniards, but i like the additions, it seems like Spain will be significantly stronger in the future. Portugal getting 1 province is not something i expected, but they likely got something to compensate for that. Also, love that Northern Africa is getting wrapped up here, that will tie in nicely with CoC Egypt, Arabia, etc.
Unfortunately the northwestern Sahara border still looks hideous, as for some obscure reason only Fezzan was touched.
 
The city of Lleida is in Catalonia, not Aragon. It is not even inside the borders of that province you have called Lleida. If you want to separate Zaragoza in two separate provinces, you should make a smaller western province Calatayud and a bigger eastern province Zaragoza (which connects with Navarra). Believe me, I was born there.
 
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The city of Lleida is in Catalonia, not Aragon. It is not even inside the borders of that province you have called Lleida. If you want to separate Zaragoza in two separate provinces, you should make a smaller western province Calatayud and a bigger eastern province Zaragoza (which connects with Navarra), just like in CK2. Believe me, I was born there.
Look a bit back, @neondt is hard at work fixing this and already fixed Calatayud and Pirineo.
 
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I'm making a few changes. Will also be revising city placement later. Oddly enough most of the cities people have noted are in the wrong place are old cities that I didn't even touch.

re: Majorca tag - Convince me and I'll do it. Make a case from both a gameplay and historical perspective ;)
Is there any chance of touching Toledo and La Mancha? They look kind of out of place right now with the province changes around them. I’d personally like to see Segovia and Guadalajara, too. All these changes would improve the much lamented strategic depth of Castile. And really, an update to the British isles shouldn’t add more provinces than an update to Iberia, not in a game with the EU4 timeline.
 
Don't like it. Not only because the massive, lazy error with Lleida or because Asturias (which does not have any historical or gameplay sense, because those are Castillian provinces). But also because Xátiva taking the geographical place of Valencia and because the split in Canarias does not correspond with the islands conquered then, you are just following modern Spanish provincial borders. Confirming very bad feelings about this dlc. You simply don't know nothing about Spain to make a country pack about it.

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Any chance of the Sirt province becoming part of the Maghreb region instead of Egypt? It looks bordergorish and doesn't reflect Roman borders that we all obviously care about.

I actually did this. Though not for the sake of Roman borders ;)
 
What I love most about this game, is its availability to be modified. If you don't like the way the team has created certain aspects, you're able to change them. Without any special skills, just pay close attention to tutorials and you'll be set. You may not be able to play multiplayer or conceive achievements but at least you will be playing something that suits your eyes :D
 

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