EUIV - Development Diary - 3rd of December 2019

[Groogy]

Is it going to be possible for more than one revolutionary countries to exist? And if so, what will their relationship with the original rev. target going to be? Are they going to be vassals or just different countries with increased relations bonus due to government?

Yes and just separate nations, not necessarily vassals unless you made them so.

 

[Groogy]

So by granting Revolutionary nations zeal as a kind of counter to Absolutism, that deals with the relative nature that absolute power of one individual would run against the concepts of the Revolution **Cough** Napoleon **Cough** however now that this exists and not all states now containvarying degrees of Absolutism, it leaves certain nations rather cold. When it comes to history, 18th century Great Britain was neither Absolutist nor Revolutionary, it was certainly the Reactionary in chief, but there were no real concerns with regards to the revolutionary chaos experienced in Europe, owing to the liberalised nature of the country at the time. Therefore, are ther any plans to add a third way, aka Liberalism, to nations with Parliaments?

Not right now no

 

[Groogy]

This is incredible. I love every single sentence in this diary.
Deep respect for EU4 team. Love you guys and can't wait to lay hands on the dlc
sup Groogy

yo o/
glad you like it

 

[Meka66]

What would happen if France is the emperor at the time of the inheritance?

In that scenario, there would be one less option available to Burgundy, but the AI chance for picking the Emperor would stay the same.

 

[Groogy]

I have to say, this is the first DD that make me interested in the new expansion/patch.

I understand correctly when I say this DLC will activate the new government reforms even if one don't own dharma?

Yepp

 

[Alfray Stryke]

Are there not other mechanics that can be unlocked by owning two seperate DLC, where owning either one gives access to the mechanic ?

Both Dharma and Wealth of Nations unlock Trade Companies.

 

[Groogy]

So will there be more than one tricolor flag on the map at once or are we still stuck with just one nation worthy of those three stripes? Also please fix Venice's tricolor that has two identical colours next to each other.

Nope there will now be several

 

[Groogy]

Will this make revolutions more frequent and threatening around the end game?
Right now they are sporadic and quickly put down, hardly making for the game's grand finale they are supposed to be.

Yes, if you wear a crown you probably should start taking notice real quick.

 

[Caligula Caesar]

This one might be hard to manage, but just in case you want to do it, here's to the Heavenly Revolution!

 

[Alfray Stryke]

I see no denial of the charge! To the guillotine!

Wow! Simply awesome! I wonder if the Republic of China's "tricolor" is the five-colored flag used for the Xinhai Revolution. Would love to have that be the case!

Both Ming and Qing have had pre-scripted tricolours since Art of War; https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Revolution#Flags

 

[Meka66]

So if Moscovy has a royal marriage with Burgundy they will get the UP? don't you think is a little silly?

Muscovy marrying Burgundy is very unlikely in a standard game, but currently yes, it would be possible. If I find particularly odd nations inheriting Burgundy with this option, I may add some restrictions that forbid certain nations from inheriting the throne, or at least make them less likely.

 

[Alfray Stryke]

Muscovy marrying Burgundy is very unlikely in a standard game, but currently yes, it would be possible. If I find particularly odd nations inheriting Burgundy with this option, I may add some restrictions that forbid certain nations from inheriting the throne, or at least make them less likely.

Christian (likely Orthodox or Coptic) Ottomans inheriting Burgundy would be a great opening move into crippling Europe in the early game.

 

[Caligula Caesar]

The only thing I dislike is that you turn Revolutionary the moment you choose the "perhaps they are right" event option. This looks nonsensical to me, just because "you" (the spirit of the nation) agrees with Revolution doesn't mean the nation/state/ruler became Revolutionary. This would only fit if you broke the tag into two and let them each eat other, like HOI4's Spanish Civil War.

All in all, good DD.

You still have to fight the reactionaries (dressed up as a lot of pretender rebels) and various events if you pick that option. It's still a disaster, you just don't have to wilfully let your country collapse to get the result you want.

 

[Meka66]

Burgundian Inheritance:
What about the Spanish event 'A Very Strategic Marriage'?

It needs to be fixed by deleting this condition:

• "Country flag bur_marriage_successor is set"

This way if Austria gets the Burgundian Inheritance as Emperor (and not only as marriage), and Spain gets the Habsburg heir, Spain inherits Burgundy (either as a PU or as direct land).

This is the historical chain of events. But the event has been bugged for years because of the condition I mentioned, that should be deleted.

The old Burgundian succession has been completely rooted out and replaced with something entirely new. Very little of the old script is still used in the overhaul of the event, but Spanish Netherlands is still a possibility.

For Revolutionary Republics, could we possibly be able to follow our candidates/parties more closely? I personally would like to see a system akin to either the factions or the elective Monarchy where we can see the public support or influence of each candidate/party.

During elections, you are able to elect representatives from each of the three factions which increases their influence. In the Feulliant System, you're able to elect members of the three factions OR an Emperor. Choosing any republican candidate will increase their faction's influence and push the country more towards Revolutionary ideals, electing an Emperor will increase Imperialist influence, reduce republican tradition, and push your country towards Monarchist ideals.

I've played as the HREmperor only once, but after the reform I became a theocracy

You'll probably enjoy what I will be talking about in a future diary

Oh come on, the most fun would be a Georgian or Ethiopian Burgundy!

Exactly. I think if you have somehow managed to become the most viable country for Burgundy to marry as Georgia, you honestly deserve to get the inheritance.

Yesterday i opened the DD and found a fluff paragraph about the BI, which left more questions open than it answered.

If there's anything you're unclear about with the Burgundian Inheritance, I'm more than happy to answer questions

 

[Groogy]

Very well! I'm looking forward to a DD on game balance.

Also, with all the changes coming which will heavily change the base game (balance changes, mercenaries, estates, ...), do you think a public beta would be asking for too much? I mean, just to make sure you can collect player feedback on these changes before all is set in stone, you know?

You just want it early don't you? We already have a private beta for that purpose. You should just apply to it: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/apply-to-be-a-beta-tester.1081698/

 

[Meka66]

My understanding based on the initial quote is if a Burgundarian player does not select the Mary is a Heir event, the inheritance won't fire. Correct me if I am wrong.

In your test games, how often does the inheritance fire?



share please?

Selecting Marie to become your heir means it absolutely will happen without fail, but Marie will have a stronger claim to the throne. The only way to prevent the succession crisis from happening is if Charles produces a male heir, which he is unlikely to do.

The crisis is still in the testing phase, but right now it triggers in an overwhelming majority of our games, but the exact candidate AI Burgundy chooses has been quite varied.

 

[Caligula Caesar]

Ha, ha, that was not my intention

I guess there's a difference between formal QA with prescribed step by step processes and check boxes to tick on the one hand and a free-wheeling diverse public beta on the other, where even hard-working family guys like me could have a look

• at their favourite nations, be it Ming or an obscure OPM
• At their favourite play style, be it wide or tall
• At their favourite achievement or mechanic

and find an answer to questions beyond "does it work as designed?", e.g.

• Is it fun?
• Is it plausible, does it make sense?

Sometimes players come up with stuff that a QA has not on his game manual. Otherwise we wouldn't be talking about balance changes yet again.

We have both QA and beta testers, our beta testers do exactly what you describe and find very creative ways to make our stuff not work as designed

Just wondering based on the previous pictures, but does this mean that the requirement that the Revolution Target has to have its capital in Europe was removed or is it just that the revolution can spread out of Europe but the first country is always European?

There is explicitly no requirement for the Revolution Target or any other revolutionary state to have its capital anymore. Though the Center of Revolution is rigged to always or almost always spawn in Europe, so it will still start in Europe most of the time.

 

[Meka66]

Does always France get "their" provinces, or there is a chance to the Burgundy inheritor to inherit the French provinces too?

Also, are those provinces the same as in the old event or has there been a change in which provinces France gets?

France has a chance to demand the Burgundian provinces in the French region, but Burgundy's overlord is not guaranteed to accept.

 

[Groogy]

- other than via revolution spreading, is there a way to force a revolutionary government on a country. I suggested before to use the now defunct "force government" CB (the old diplomatic ideas finishers)?

Yes

- alternatively, would going to war in support of revolutionary rebels ensure that the country becomes revolutionary once the "enforce rebels demand" peace option is chosen in the peace deal?

I believe it requires the nation to be in the disaster right now for them to convert because of other reasons... but should be something we should look into how we want that to work.

- Is there a way to ensure that revolutionary countries are included in the "sphere of influence" of the revolutionary target? Either as allies, or protected defensively just as the defender of the faith defends its religion? This would be modeled on the Sister Republics being "protected" by Revolutionary France in real life.

No but you make an important point, putting more emphasis on sister republics would be nice.

- Speaking of Sister Republics, I see that the Batavian Republic is an event now. Is there a way for the Revolutionary target to subjugate Sister republics, with less restrictions than diplomatic or war-vassalisations?

No

 

[Caligula Caesar]

I don't think you understand what I mean and how those events work.

Nonetheless, I can confirm that the flag you mentioned is no longer present in that event and there is nothing stopping the event from firing if Austria gets the Lowlands by any means.