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Welcome to the 24th development diary for our empire building game Europa Universalis IV and today we turn our eyes to one of the most interesting nations and a favorite because of its location and variety – The Ottoman Empire.

Ottoman Possibilities

When your story begins in the Grand Campaign, the Empire prospers under the rule of a line of committed and effective Sultans. In fact, we take our starting date from the dramatic Ottoman victory over an alliance of Christian monarchs at Vama in November, 1444. The Ottomans have flourished economically due to their control of the major overland trade routes between Europe and Asia. The Ottoman Empire is one of the most powerful states in the world – a multinational, multilingual empire.

Will you be able to reign and expand your empire over three continents? Will you be able to become a dominant naval force, controlling much of the Mediterranean Sea as well as become a major player of the European continental political sphere? Will you become the only power with a just claim to the title of universal ruler?

Or will your military and bureaucratic structures come under strain after a protracted period of misrule by weak Sultans. Will you fall behind the Europeans in military technology as the innovation that fed the Empire's forceful expansion became stifled by growing religious and intellectual conservatism? And will the discovery of new maritime trade routes by Western European states allowed them to avoid the Ottoman trade monopoly unless you take over the trade routes?

Choose, and choose wisely. Let the game begin.

Most players make an immediate move to eliminate Constantinople, the capital of a now tiny and irrelevant Byzantine Empire. Turkish missions push you in this direction, too, and it’s a natural opening act (once the Western border is secure). Taking this rich city means controlling all traffic to the Black Sea, greater ability to limit European land incursions into the core Turkish provinces in Anatolia, and a chance to move the capital to the greatest city on earth.

But Turkish expansion is a double-edged sword no matter which direction you go. If you continue to move into Europe, you will add Orthodox and Catholic provinces to a realm already teeming with non-Muslim citizens. Expand west to consolidate your holdings in Asia and you risk alienating Muslim rulers that would be better as allies. And to the South you have the Mameluks, a potential rival for power over the Levant.
The Ottomans start in 1444 with a lot of assets, some in the form of ideas and missions we’ll get to in a bit. They also have a navy that competes only with Venice for power in the Eastern Mediterranean, a starting Sultan of great ability and – for the moment – military superiority to or parity with the European monarchs that wish to drive Islam of the continent.

Ottoman Dynamic Historical Events
As a major power throughout this period, we have written quite a lot of events for the Ottoman Empire, but there are two event series that truly stand out.

The Provincial System
The Empire contains numerous provinces and vassal states, and many were under the control of Beys, provincial governors that ruled over these districts as a general would on the battlefield. Historically, this worked well to keep the Empire running smoothly with local initiative to handle local problems in a land too varied for a one-size fits all policy. But it also depended on a Sultan that knew how to rein them in. In Europa Universalis IV, local Beys, especially in far-off provinces, may demand more autonomy in form of a Provincial System to stay loyal to the Sultan. If they are given too much autonomy, though, you might have problems with corruption of the Beys or revolts from unhappy soldiers that don’t respect the system in place. But then suppression has its own cost if the Beys band together to simultaneously rise against the Sultan...It’s a balancing act that comes into play if the Empire grows too large.

The Janissaries
The Janissaries were the heart of the Ottoman army, and through reforms and granting them more and more rights, the player as Sultan may build up his Janissaries into the elite infantry they represented historically. But beware! Granting them too much power might lead to their decadence, or worse, becoming a threat to the Sultan. Palace Coups or revolts might follow, and in the end, disbanding them might be the only alternative. Can you risk weakening your army in the short term while you find new sources of power?
Both of these event series represent the core problems facing the Ottoman Empire through this period. With a strong Sultan, you can make up for more inefficient government or a slightly weaker infantry, since you can spend your Monarch Power Points to shore up problems caused by a multinational, dispersed and devolutionary government. But a series of weak rules in an Empire that needs to constantly reinforce its legitimacy will face grave repercussions.

Ottoman National Ideas
The Ottoman Empire starts with a 10% bonus to its army discipline, and creates core provinces 33% faster and more cheaply.
  1. Ghazi: +33% Religious Unity & increase manpower when fighting religious enemies.
    Ghazi is a title given to great Muslim warriors, analogous to Khan or Caesar or Johan. It was also a term given to Ottoman warriors that spearheaded Turkish invasions and raids into non-Muslim land. Fight the enemies of Muhammad, and the nation will rally around you.
  2. Timariot System: +15% cavalry power.
    The Timariot Sipahi cavalry were, with the Janissaries, an elite core of troops within the Ottoman army. Tightly connected to the bey system, Timariot soldiers were given land in return for service, ensuring their loyalty.
  3. Autonomous Pashas: -3 Max War exhaustion.
    Powerful and respect governors and generals became known as Pashas. It came with great honors and responsibilities and those given control of territory within the empire became great lords that would work hard to preserve their privileges.
  4. Ottoman Tolerance: +3 Tolerance Heretic, +3 Tolerance Heathen.
    As was customary in many Muslim empires of the Middle Ages and Renaissance, non-Muslims were not forced to convert not were they regularly harassed beyond the occasional higher tax. In Europa Universalis IV the Ottomans have a much lower chance of religious revolts because of this tolerance.
  5. Law code of Suleiman: +10% Tax Income.
    Suleiman is one of the great rulers of history – a soldier, a lawmaker and a reformer. In fact, where the West knows him as Suleiman the Great or Magnificent, in his homeland he is called The Lawgiver. A central part of his reforms was re-examining the taxation of Turks, especially taxes levied on Jews and Christians, taxes for manufactured goods and anti-corruption measures.
  6. Tulip Period: +10% Trade Income.
    Named for the high priced flower that became a symbol of refinement, the Tulip Period was an early 18th century attempt to Westernize the Empire. A strong viziers and a time of peace allowed the Ottomans to focus on new trade relations and greater experimentation with foreign art and architectural styles. It was also a decade of decadence and distraction, in the eyes of many Turks, and subsequent failures on the battlefield ended this period of innovation and garden parties.
  7. Imperial School of Naval Engineering: 20% cheaper ships.
    Always a major naval power in its region, the Ottomans didn’t found a proper naval academy until the 1770s. Naval engineering was one of the centerpieces of the curriculum.

When the Ottoman Empire has reached it full capabilities and unlocked all of its National Ideas, it also get a +20% bonus to manpower recovery speed. With these ideas, they are a really expansionist military country, that have far fewer problems with holding a realm with diverse religion. Lower war exhaustion and stronger religious unity in the early game will help greatly with the rapid growth the Ottomans need to keep from falling too far behind its Western neighbors.
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Bonus Detail: Westernization

Experienced players are now thinking about how to goose the Ottomans so they can remain a dominant military and technological power. As you know, the Western tech group gains knowledge faster than others, and as the Ottomans do not belong to it they will eventually trail them.

In the original version of Europa Universalis III, you could sometimes get a random event (if the stars aligned) and you could upgrade into a better technology group. With later expansions this was transformed into a set of complex decisions and events that worked fine for the power user that understood all the consequences, but had severe drawbacks for new users and the AI. Westernization should be an option, but it should also be a clear statement of policy, not something you stumble or exploit your way into.

In Europa Universalis IV, Westernization is a completely defined feature, integrated in the technology system. If you don't belong to the Western technology group, you will now always see whether you have the chance to “level up”.

To start the westernization process, you need to have a neighbor of the Western tech group that is a fair number of levels ahead of you in technology, and you also need to have +3 stability. When you start the process, your stability drops to -3 and all your monarch power is wiped. You have switched to the western technology group, but you paid a heavy price for undoing centuries of tradition.

Then, each month, your progress towards being fully Western goes either forward or backwards. It can never go below 1%, but when you reach 100% you end the process, and get western units as well. So how does the progress work? Well, every month, your current stability is added to the progress. And there are fun events giving you -1 stability or hurting you somewhere else. Westernization should not be a decision taken lightly, especially for large empires. Your nobles and people will often resist and you may need to slow down your progress from time to time to avoid larger pains.

And yes, as a New World nation you can switch directly to western once the Europeans show up, but you have a fair amount of catching up to do anyway.
 

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Ottomans claiming to be "Rome" would be as if you killed an old man, took his clothes and assumed his identity. Just because you have his clothes doesn't make you into him. Anyone that knew the old man would see through the disguise.
 
Ottomans claiming to be "Rome" would be as if you killed an old man, took his clothes and assumed his identity. Just because you have his clothes doesn't make you into him. Anyone that knew the old man would see through the disguise.

It's worked fine for me so far...
 
The notion that the Ottomans are descendant of the Roman Empire is nothing beyond quasi-racist Turkish nationalism, especially considering that very nation exterminated the populace within its borders of the ethnicity that previously ruled the Roman Empire (I am aware that the Young Turks were an anomaly, however). The Ottoman Sultanate made the reason for its very existence the destruction of Byzantium. Simply eliminating the occupants of a country does not grant you legitimacy in owning its previous lands.
 
The notion that the Ottomans are descendant of the Roman Empire is nothing beyond quasi-racist Turkish nationalism, especially considering that very nation exterminated the populace within its borders of the ethnicity that previously ruled the Roman Empire (I am aware that the Young Turks were an anomaly, however). The Ottoman Sultanate made the reason for its very existence the destruction of Byzantium. Simply eliminating the occupants of a country does not grant you legitimacy in owning its previous lands.

This is complete and utter nonsense. You should read some history and learn about Turkish nationalism (it absolutely abhors Byzantium) before flinging insults around.
 
This is complete and utter nonsense. You should read some history and learn about Turkish nationalism (it absolutely abhors Byzantium) before flinging insults around.
And yet it took the Roman symbol of the crescent moon and the star of Maria. :)

Nevertheless, the Turks did indeed claim rulling the Roman Empire now, with about as much legitimacy to the claim as the Holy Roman Emperor had. Or as the King of England had to the throne of France: it was mostly a empty title.
 
Always hilarious when Byzantophiles and Ottomanophiles start these arguments just because of a single line. This is probably the reason we're likely to see the Empire continue to the end of the game in about half of the EUIV games we see. In 1399, the Basileia Rhomaion was already doomed to fall, with almost certainty. In 1444, while the city of Konstantinopolis had been defended due to the old fortifications in addition to the army focussing on defending the capital, the city itself was already falling apart due to lack of trade, famine was spreading across the city. I'm not saying it should be impossible to play as Byzantium in EUIV, but it should happen naturally (as in, without player support) only very rarely. Probably only 5-10% of the time.

What would think could be a good addition, though, would be an Orthodox nation taking Anatolia and Greece, and being able to form the Byzantine nation, gaining its national ideas.
 
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2nd Rome(Byzantium) didn't even had Rome withing it's borders, so why would a claim to 3rd Rome require holding Constantinople? For me Russian claim is still stronger then the Ottoman one.
 
2nd Rome(Byzantium) didn't even had Rome withing it's borders, so why would a claim to 3rd Rome require holding Constantinople? For me Russian claim is still stronger then the Ottoman one.

Rome was murdered after a long illness in 1453. End of story.
 
Found out in EU3 it's possible to form Byzantium as a Greek nation, anyway. Had just suggested the idea as a way to get the Byzantine idea-set. Of course, I'm thinking that it might actually get something like Burgundy's curse...
 
2nd Rome(Byzantium) didn't even had Rome withing it's borders, so why would a claim to 3rd Rome require holding Constantinople? For me Russian claim is still stronger then the Ottoman one.
Your argument leads me to the exact opposite conclusion; that Charlemagne had a better claim to be Roman Emperor than the Byzantines did since he actually ruled Rome, and Mehmed a far better claim to be Basileus than the Russians did since he actually ruled Constantinople.

Out of interest, do you consider Taiwan to be the sole legitimate government of all of China? That seems to me to be the closest modern analogue to the Byzantophiles.
 
Your argument leads me to the exact opposite conclusion; that Charlemagne had a better claim to be Roman Emperor than the Byzantines did since he actually ruled Rome, and Mehmed a far better claim to be Basileus than the Russians did since he actually ruled Constantinople.

Out of interest, do you consider Taiwan to be the sole legitimate government of all of China? That seems to me to be the closest modern analogue to the Byzantophiles.

So you are saying that Charlemagne's empire was the true 2nd Rome? But if that's true, that means that Byzantium was never the 2nd Rome, so how can conqering Constantinople help anyone with their claim to be 3rd Rome?

Can't answer your question about Taiwan, sorry maybe it's language barrier, maybe I just don't know enough about history of the region.
 
So you are saying that Charlemagne's empire was the true 2nd Rome? But if that's true, that means that Byzantium was never the 2nd Rome, so how can conqering Constantinople help anyone with their claim to be 3rd Rome?

Can't answer your question about Taiwan, sorry maybe it's language barrier, maybe I just don't know enough about history of the region.

Taiwan is the Republic of China (ROC), China is the People's Republic of China (PRC). The communists (PRC) conquered mainland China after WW2 and onwards when the cooperation with ROC (the government at the time) ceased. ROC was initially recognized as the "true" China even after losing the mainland but international recognition has switched in favour of PRC over time. Basically PRC conquered China from ROC and established themselves as China but essentially there are two China's for the moment so the situation isn't exactly similar to the Ottomans conquering Byzantium.
 
I think it is safe to say that the Ottoman Empire is the demographic successor of the early medieval Byzantine Empire; both of them relied on Anatolia as their primary power base, and there was no wholesale genocide in Anatolia in medieval Anatolia as far as I can recall. What has changed is the cultural identity initiated by the series of events following Manzikert. It can be said that the majority of the indigenous Anatolians were assimilated into Turkish culture between the 11th and 15th centuries. When speaking of heritage, whether genetic or cultural factor is more important is debatable. The genetic heritage is pretty certain; meanwhile, there is a clear cultural break between Turkish and Byzantine cultures, but cultural break does not prevent the Franks to claim the Roman heritage, so what it means is not completely clear.
 
So you are saying that Charlemagne's empire was the true 2nd Rome? But if that's true, that means that Byzantium was never the 2nd Rome, so how can conqering Constantinople help anyone with their claim to be 3rd Rome?.
That's why I avoided using the expressions "Second/Third Rome". :)

But I've no problem with the idea that Byzantium (referring to the Greek-speaking post-Heraclius state) was the successor to the Eastern Roman Empire set up by Diocletian. I only have trouble when people then attempt to deny that Charlemagne, who was acclaimed Emperor of Rome by the People of Rome while visiting the City of Rome - which he ruled over - was not "really" a Roman Emperor because, uh, I'm not sure. Just as I've got no problem in calling the state ruled from Beijing, which occupies most of the area generally referred to as China, as "China" even if the people in Taiwan claim that they alone are really the True Heirs of China.


The genetic heritage is pretty certain; meanwhile, there is a clear cultural break between Turkish and Byzantine cultures, but cultural break does not prevent the Franks to claim the Roman heritage, so what it means is not completely clear.
There may be a clear cultural break between Turkish and Byzantine culture, but not between Ottoman and Byzantine culture. The Ottoman Empire deliberately drew on the cultural traditions of its Greek predecessor in order to give itself more legitimacy. Remember, calling someone "Turkish" was an insult to most Ottomans, at least until the days of late 19th century nationalism. It meant you were an uncivilised rural redneck from the backhills of Anatolia.

(I'll also mention that the Greeks of Constantinople were quite happy to claim the Roman heritage, despite the fact that "true" Romans from Rome had always regarded Greeks much like modern-day Americans regard the French - cultured and sophisticated and well-educated, but also an effete bunch of cowards whose glory days were over.)
 
Thanks to both of you for filling me in one Taiwan:).Don't know what else to say, I always considered Russian claim to be the most reasonable, but idk maybe I'm wrong.Who cares anyway
 
Thanks to both of you for filling me in one Taiwan:).Don't know what else to say, I always considered Russian claim to be the most reasonable, but idk maybe I'm wrong.Who cares anyway

Obviously everyone else in this thread :laugh:
 
There may be a clear cultural break between Turkish and Byzantine culture, but not between Ottoman and Byzantine culture. The Ottoman Empire deliberately drew on the cultural traditions of its Greek predecessor in order to give itself more legitimacy. Remember, calling someone "Turkish" was an insult to most Ottomans, at least until the days of late 19th century nationalism. It meant you were an uncivilised rural redneck from the backhills of Anatolia.

I admit that "cultural break" is not a good term for expressing my idea, what I meant was that since the Ottomans did not consider themselves as of Hellenic descent and did not officially adopt Greek as their state culture, their cultural identity is distinct from that of the Greek.

Some words on the Taiwan issue. The first time that Taiwan is ruled from the mainland of China is in 1683. It is then lost to Japan in 1895, only to be regained in 1945. Since the reign of China on Taiwan is so short, there is space for a separate national identity to grow. With all those insistence that Taiwan is "an inseparable part of China", possessing Taiwan and a few outlying islands does not give a political entity enough legitimacy to claim the rest of China. If the Republic of China could have retained control of a few mainland provinces in the civil war in 1946-49, then its claim would have been much stronger. Therefore, Taiwan is not really comparable to Constantinople, the second capital of the Roman Empire and a long-time Roman province.