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Europa Universalis IV - Development Diary 28th of February 2023 - Great Britain

Greetings! A new week, a new Dev Diary, and this time it is about our final big country of the DLC, England, and its follow-up nation of Great Britain. Similar to Russia, England and Great Britain received their content update with 1.25 which is now almost 5 years old. While the British mission tree was one of the most extensive in its time, it has become quite outdated and was in dire need of receiving an update in order to keep England on the same level as the other great powers which are seeing a liftover with 1.35.

So, let’s get started!
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These are all the missions you have available as England and as Great Britain. These missions are available to everyone who forms GB.

The mission tree is split into several themes:
- The internal affairs and issues of England, which were the War of the Roses, the English Reformation, and of course the English Civil War
- The classic conquest of the British Isles
- Trade Dominance in Europe
- Colonizing the New World
- The conquest of India
- Internal development

Starting with the classic missions, the British Isles conquest missions are what their name suggests: unifying the British Isles under your banner. The highlight of these missions is the ability to unlock the “Act of Union” which is a unique parliament issue to form Great Britain - more on it later. Also a ,QoL addition has been added to these conquest missions: if you conquer Scotland you can get the following event if Norway did not sell Orkney to Scotland yet.
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The AI is very likely to accept as long as they don’t have any negative opinion of you.

The missions regarding colonizing the New World are also quite self-explanatory. However, these missions do have some unique rewards which make colonization a little bit more interesting. The mission “Found the Royal Navy” grants you +33% Colonial Range and the ability to recruit explorers and conquistadors for 25 years. It also unlocks a parliament issue that gives you the same modifiers once the mission reward runs out.

“Discover the Americas” unlocks another Parliament issue with a rather experimental and unique effect:
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As long this modifier is active and you fully colonize a colony you get the following event:
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You get a selection of trade goods to choose from. The province will then start producing the selected trade goods. The first option keeps the current trade good if you don’t want to select any new production.

Keep in mind that the trade goods you can choose from have the same requirements as they would normally have when you colonize a province. In other words: you cannot select every province in North America to be a gold province out of nowhere.

Speaking of gold: selecting a certain trade good to be produced has a price that is calculated by the following formula: (1 + <the times you selected the trade good>) * 5 * <base cost of trade good without any modifications from events>.

In this example, we decide to create our own Fish & Chips monopoly, so we choose fish for every colonized province:
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Some trade goods are inherently more valuable than others. If a trade good has a higher base cost than 2.5 then it will also have an Administrative cost in order to be produced:
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Note: The admin cost will be rounded down to 7.

Again, the formula for this is also rather simple: (<base trade good price> - 2.5) * 25 * <the times you selected the trade good>.

Now of course I have to address the elephant in the room: Gold. In order to avoid a world where a Great Britain player would put a gold province in every single eligible province of the New World, I decided to give Gold an “estimated value” of 10 Ducats base cost. This is reflected in the price you have to pay for a Gold province in the new world:
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The only limit for how many gold provinces you want in the end is not any hard block but your tolerance for pain in paying for the establishment of another gold province.

Of course there is a decision which toggles this off if you are not interested in micromanaging every single colony you create:
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The missions “Settle in America” and “Colonize the Caribbean” modify your colonial capabilities even further with more unlocked parliament actions:
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Note: You have access to a sugar and spice version of this Parliament Action in the mission tree.

Finally, the mission “Dominate the New World” gives a permanent modifier which also benefits your colonial subjects too.
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Note: The Trade Efficiency might look weird considering that you siphon the trade from the New World, but Tariffs in their current iteration are calculated from the production income + trade income. As such, this bonus is an indirect bonus to how much tariff you receive from your colonies.

Of course a British mission tree would not be complete without a trip to India. The mission “East India Company” gives you an early choice of how you want to manage your territory in India.
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The first option will release a unique subject in the form of the East India Company and it gives all permanent claims you get in India to your subject. The second option lets you keep the claims, but you won’t have access to your new subject, while the third option is for the purpose of role-playing where you can play as the company yourself, which might be an interesting campaign for some people.

The East India Company starts with a unique version of the Merchant Republic:
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And of course it has its own set of ideas:
Code:
EIC_ideas = {
    start = {
        global_prov_trade_power_modifier = 0.2
        tolerance_heathen = 3
    }

    bonus = {
        global_trade_power = 0.15
    }
   
    trigger = {
        tag = EIC
    }
    free = yes        #will be added at load.

    eic_governors_general = {
        global_unrest = -1
        governing_capacity_modifier = 0.1
    }
    eic_indian_trade = {
        global_trade_goods_size_modifier = 0.15
    }
    eic_chartered_merchants = {
        merchants = 1
        placed_merchant_power = 10
    }
    eic_presidency_armies = {
        global_manpower_modifier = 0.1
        global_sailors_modifier = 0.2
    }
    eic_intercontinental_trade = {
        trade_steering = 0.25
        trade_range_modifier = 0.1
    }
    eic_colonial_monopoly = {
        trade_efficiency = 0.1
    }
    eic_colonial_exploitation = {
        trade_company_investment_cost = -0.1
        build_cost = -0.1
    }
}

This trade company subject has some special properties which aim to make it competitive to the trade companies we already know and love. A trade company behaves in many ways like a colony, which means it is able to declare its own wars, it will pay tariffs to its overlord and you can use the “Modify Subject Relationship” on them (modifications for Self-Governing Colonies are applied here). However, when an external nation attacks your Trade Company you are called into war. There are also some additional subject interactions which are not available to normal colonies such as “Siphon Income” and “Fortify Subject” (in the past it was March, but it has been renamed now).

“Masters of India”, which requires you to own or have a subject own 200 provinces in India, gives an additional bonus to your trade company subject:
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These were the colonial missions. Now we move on to the internal missions.

The missions of the “War of the Roses” path are all about your religious internal affairs. Depending on what is your stance towards the clergy, you unlock one of the two government reforms for the 4th tier:
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The missions “Strengthen the Kingdom” and “Acts of the Parliament” play heavily into the conflict between the monarch and the parliament during the Age of Absolutism, which eventually led to the English Civil War.

Completing both missions give you access to both mutually exclusive government reforms:
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Speaking of, in order to properly represent the struggle between crown and constitution, you will eventually receive the following event as you enter the Age of Absolutism:
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Note: Background UI is still work in progress. The Monarchists will start the civil war when it reaches -100, not 100. Not shown in the image: if the value drops below 0 the modifiers change to: +4 Global Unrest, -10 Years of Nationalism, -10% Idea Cost and -1 Yearly Absolutism.

Resetting Debates, letting debates fail and revoking parliament seats increase your Absolute Power while giving away seats and letting debates win decrease Absolute Power. There are two ways of handling the mechanic altogether: you either juggle with the Absolute Power until the Age of Revolution starts or you try to reach either direction as fast as possible in order to trigger the following event:
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If this event fires then the conditions to fire the English Civil War change to the following:
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The disaster itself has seen little change per se. Pretender rebels on the parliament side have been replaced with a new, Parliamentarian rebel type which are basically Pretenders, but republican versions of them. The big change for the disaster is the end reward when you go through them.

If you side with the Royalists and end the Civil War without breaking to rebels you get the following reform:
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Letting the Parliamentarian win and choosing to become a republic will unlock the following reform:
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And finally, if you let the Parliamentarians win, but decide to become a monarchy after Cromwell’s death:
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If you complete the mission “The Three Kingdom Wars” (which really should have been called “Wars of the Three Kingdoms”, but there was no space for it) by going through the hassle of the English Civil War, you unlock the following reward:
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These parliament issues are unlocked as you also unlock your national ideas. You have up to three issues which negate one of your national ideas in order to introduce a new strength.
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These issues are, however, limited to three national idea groups in total though - they do not cover you if you form a nation which would not be typical in your England run like, let’s say France or Spain.

Of course you can toggle them off with a decision in order to have the space of your parliament issues not be occupied with them anymore, and you can revoke all of the adjustments - though at a heavy cost:
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Note: Forming a different country will automatically revoke these modifiers. I am also considering making this cost a lot less severe though in order to promote flexibility. Maybe 75 ADM cost per adjusted idea is more manageable.

While these were the internal disasters and issues, there is more to the mission tree. The mission “Issue the Royal Warrant” goes more into the economical direction of your country. While the mission itself can be completed rather early, its big reward is more something you will unlock later on as you get the following reform unlocked for tier 8:
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Note: Numbers are not final, as usual.

As it is somewhat of a running theme with 1.35, another mechanic of the old EU4 has returned once again, though this time it is a little bit different. Trade Protectorates are a voluntary relationship between you and the target country, and some AIs might even request to become such a subject in order to be protected from foreign forces. The Trade Protectorate and the overlord are free to annul the treaty, though they have to pay with 1 Stability unless the liberty desire is 100.

Only countries whose capitals are within your trade range are eligible to become your protectorates.

I should also mention that these Protectorates are not Great Britain only as any country which “Confirms Thalassocracy” unlocks the following government reform, which is part of the free update:
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The missions following “A House Divided” (which is more a reference to how the “House of the Parliament” is split into the House of Common and the House of Lords) are more internally related missions. Highlights here are “Expand the Royal Navy” which unlocks the special unit of your country:
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Note: The color should be actually green as a reduced Engagement Width means more ships are in combat at the same time.
You have 20% of your Naval Force Limit available for constructing Man of War.

The mission “The Royal Marines” makes your marine units to be the “special land unit” of your country as it gives -10% Shock Damage Received and +5% Discipline while “The Redcoats” is a flat +10% Infantry Combat Ability until the end of the game.

Now that was the British Mission Tree. As you have seen, it is relying heavily on colonization and overseas ambitions. But not everyone might enjoy this kind of playstyle. Because of that there is a second path of the mission tree which is unlocked as soon as the Hundred Years’ War goes into its final phase. The mission “The Hundred Years’ War” fires an event which gives you the choice to play England in a new way which focuses a lot more on the continent:
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This will of course update your mission tree accordingly:
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All of the colonial missions are replaced with missions which nudge you into conquering vast territories of Europe. Of course, your first target is France and securing the personal union over it. In order to complete the mission “Shatter French Nobility” you will have to enact a unique Parliament Action which might cause pain in the short run, but ensures France’s loyalty to the English throne:
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I mentioned earlier about the Acts of Union. For players, the Acts of Union will be an actual parliament issue which is available to you when you complete this mission “Unify the Isles” and have reached Administrative Technology 10.
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The AI will keep its decision though.

For the Angevin path we have something similar. The mission “The Angevin Kingdom” unlocks the English-French Acts of Union parliament issue which allows you to form a new tag:
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Note: Historically speaking, it would make more sense to have it as a name change as the “Angevin Empire” was mostly a name for the possessions of the Plantagenet dynasty and not a real political entity per se. For the sake of gameplay, however, I decided to make a new tag for it with unique ideas, colors and, most importantly, the flag.

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You might have noticed that the Angevin flag is already included in the already used English flag. We are aware that it can feel kinda weird when you form the Angevin Kingdom and your flag, which was previously a combination of the Angevin and the French flag, just returns to being the Angevin one.
Because of that we request your opinion on that matter, and want to know what you guys prefer:
  1. Keep the way it is presented here (same flag for England, three lions for the Angevin Kingdom).
  2. Give the Angevin Kingdom the current English flag and give England the three lions as starting flag.
  3. Give the Angevin Kingdom the current English flag and give England the St. George cross as flag.
  4. Other ideas / suggestions.
With that being said, let's take a look at the ideas:
Code:
AVE_ideas = {
    start = {
        global_manpower_modifier = 0.2
        improve_relation_modifier = 0.3
    }

    bonus = {
        years_of_nationalism = -5
    }
   
    trigger = {
        tag = AVE
    }
    free = yes        #will be added at load.

    angevin_decentralized_rule = {
        core_creation = -0.2
    }
    english_common_law = {
        global_tax_modifier = 0.15
        num_of_parliament_issues = 1
    }
    lessons_of_the_anglo_french_wars = {
        discipline = 0.05
    }
    the_many_thrones = {
        heir_chance = 0.5
        years_to_integrate_personal_union = -10
    }
    reformed_angevin_infantry = {
        infantry_power = 0.1
    }
    seneschal_of_france = {
        governing_capacity_modifier = 0.15
    }
    rule_of_the_plantagenet = {
        legitimacy = 1
        devotion = 1
        horde_unity = 1
        republican_tradition = 0.3
        meritocracy = 1
    }
}

Note: England and Great Britain too received a +1 Number of possible Parliament Issues. The Horde Unity and Meritocracy (as well as Devotion / Legitimacy / Republican Tradition) have been added to all ideas which give one of the 5 government measurements in order to promote more variety in campaigns where you can switch your governments without feeling at a disadvantage because of it.

From here on out your path is set to conquer Iberia and Italy, as well as pushing into the Lowlands and the HRE. Each of these regions unlocks a “Crown of <Region>” Parliament issue which lets you decide how to properly deal with your newly conquered territory:
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Note: There will be a tooltip saying that you unlock HRE related parliament issues.

These issues will affect the HRE as a whole and not just your country.

Another highlight would be the ability to adapt the British culture group into the French culture group with the mission “The Angevin Culture”:
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A final highlight would be “Claim the Empire Title” which gives your country a name fitting to your situation.
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And if you, somehow, manage to fall from grace…
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That was it for mission tree content. However, there is still a lot more to talk about. As you might have noticed, the parliament plays a large role in the content. As such, it was only natural to improve the parliament mechanics in general and then to add something special to the parliament of England / GB / Angevin to make it stand out from the other parliaments.

So, let us take a look at the general improvements for the parliaments. First thing first, parliaments have now the ability to reset a debate.
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You can reset a debate only every 20 years and it brings some penalties with it. Still, it can be a nice QoL addition when you accidentally select the wrong debate.

Secondly, parliament bribes will no longer spawn for an issue which would give this resource as an effect when the issue gets passed. Example: the parliament issue “The Draft” which gives manpower scaled to the seats will never have any parliament bribe which requests you to pay with manpower.

Thirdly, the prices of bribes have been revisited and have been tuned down to a manageable number.

Fourthly, parliaments of a size of 40 seats unlock new bribes which have “National” in their name. These bribes are more expensive than their local version, but have the bundled effect to automatically flip all seats with this kind of bribe in favor of the bribe. This way parliaments of big nations with many seats are not as annoying anymore as they were in the past.
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Finally, manually placing a parliament seat no longer reduces absolutism. Getting seats assigned automatically, on the other hand, does cost absolutism.

All of these parliament updates are available if you have Common Sense (the original DLC which unlocks Parliaments) or the new DLC (which unlocks Parliaments too in case you don’t have Common Sense).

Now back to England / GB which have a bit more refined version of their parliament. Most issues they have access to now scale in their effect power with the influence of one of their estates:
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Note: I consider to push this all one level up, so that the 100% of the normal effect would be achieved between 20% and 40% already.

This has not an effect on the modifiers from the issues themselves though, only on the instant effects, so keep this in mind.

Bribes, on the other hand, scale with the loyalty of the estate:
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If an estate is disloyal, the cost of the bribe increases by 100%. However, if the estate is loyal then the bribe gets reduced by 50%. This stacks with the government mechanic of halved parliament issue costs, so it is possible that a single bribe might be as cheap as 1 Monarch Power.

Now with that all being said, let’s end this dev diary with the additional events England / GB / Angevin receives:
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Note: This event is the starting point of 8 events in total which depict the different ways of how the English monarchs handled the reformation. Each option leads to different events. The AI always picks the one option which fits their ruler’s religion - even if it is against their country’s religion.

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Note: the conditions for this event to happen are similar to the ones for its Reformed equivalent.
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And that was it for this week. Next week @Pavía will present content for the minor Great Powers, unique government reforms and additional estate privileges.

Until then I wish you all a nice week!
 
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I am quite pleased with the announced changes for England and Great Britain for the most part. Here are some of my observations:
  1. Let me start off with a few disappointments before I go on positive. First, I was disappointed at the lack of content for Scotland, most especially the Highlands regiment as a special unit for Scotland. I would suggest adding that and, then, when Great Britain is formed, I suggest we get a choice between either retaining Highlands regiment or replacing it with Royal Marines (doing so could automatically downgrade all Highland regiments to regular regiments). Personally, I would choose to retain Highlands regiment (and thus inherit any existing Highlands regiments from Scotland) when I form Great Britain as England.
  2. I wish there was a series of events leading up to the Glorious Revolution. Omitting the event of such equally vital importance as that of the English Civil Wars was particularly disappointing. Moreover, such events could also potentially entangle the Dutch Republic in the English politics. Furthermore, it could also potentially lead to the personal union between England and the Dutch Republic. Who knows if William III were to have had a child?
  3. You mentioned Wars of the Three Kingdoms. I wonder if there will be events connected to the English Civil Wars for Scotland and Ireland if either or both are in personal union with England. Also, I don't remember as it has been quite a while since I last played EU4, but I think personal union with Scotland may be automatically broken if England becomes a republic as a consequence of the civil wars. Was this fixed or something?
  4. Also following up on the English Civil Wars, I think there should be chances for a persistent conflict between the Crown and the Parliament until the Glorious Revolution event finally resolved it for once and all the question of parliamentary supremacy.
  5. The changes to Parliament mechanic were all right, but somewhat disappointing. I was hoping for more substantial interactions like the control over taxation by the Parliament as represented by the landed gentry that controlled the House of Commons. I also had hoped that there would also be two houses of Parliament so to represent the bifurcation of the institution between the landed gentry and the burghers on one side and the nobility on the other side, whose interests do not always align.
  6. The lack of events for Hanoverian (or foreign) succession if the new ruler after the Glorious Revolution lacked an heir is just as equally problematic. This is especially important, as we will see in the next point below.
  7. Furthermore, on the subject of Parliament, I had hoped for the emergence of a prime minister and the cabinet that could take the place of Advisors, disabling the latter. The prime minister and the cabinet, moreover, could be gradually delegated some of the control you have over various aspects of the government, allowing you to concentrate on different parts of the game. Think of them as automatic management, as seen in some games such as Stellaris (with governors) and Universim (with ministers). This can be especially useful for late-game as things get more and more complex, time-consuming. Even more so if the parliament becomes more powerful, difficult to deal with, and time-consuming to deal with. The cabinet government may become even more entrenched if the ruler is of a foreign dynasty, like the House of Hanover in its early years on the throne.
  8. The East India Company, as a trade protectorate (I would prefer trading company as the subject type name), should be allowed to have their own subjects, so to enable it to make princely states, which would be another subject type or at least custom name for one of the existing subject types, out of the countries in India. Any countries released as a new subject for EIC in a peace deal with existing states would be automatically made into princely state.
  9. Otherwise, I really like what I saw, especially the East India Company and the new naval special unit for Britain.
 
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I am very pleased that you have drawn attention to this area and those nations that do not have any things of their own despite the huge potential that lies in them.

Mazovia
As a state between the Teutonic Order, Lithuania and Poland, Mazovia could juggle between them - it would have the option of taking the side of the PLC or the Teutonic Order, but nothing would stand in the way of being an independent player in the region. I think that the Mazovian culture could be separated from the Polish culture and would cover the area of Mazovia as well as the province of Podlasie (269 ID).

Moravia
Moravia should have its own quest tree, which would be to rebuild Great Moravia.

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Approximate area of Great Moravia.

As it was the first more significant Slavic state in history, I believe that Moravia could have the opportunity to resurrect Slavic paganism.

Silesia
It is the most neglected area due to the fact that it contains an awfully small number of provinces - where the population density in Silesia resembled more HRE than Poland. I think that this area requires the addition of completely new provinces as well as the division into two areas - Lower Silesia and Upper Silesia. I also think that the Upper Silesian and Lower Silesian area is more suited to the North German region than to the Polish one - from cultural and historical facts. Optionally, a Bohemian region could be created - the Bohemian sphere of influence was enough to be a region.

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Map of Silesia from 1642.

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A simplified map of the Duchies of Silesia.

From Mazovia, Moravia and Silesia, it is Silesia that has the most interesting and complex possibilities for the development tree. Silesia was divided into numerous small but rich independent duchies. The tree of Silesian missions could focus on unification at the very beginning of the area - Upper Silesia or Lower Silesia. Both of these would be separate TAGs with their own missions - for example, Upper Silesia would focus on mining and industry and urbanization. After the unification of all Silesia, a separate TAG would appear, which would have imperial aspirations - controlling the HRE, gaining access to the sea and maybe colonialism. The directions of territorial expansion of united Silesia would be: Bohemia, Lusatia, Slovakia, Northern Hungary, Poland (more precisely, Lesser Poland and Greater Poland), Pomerania, Brandenburg and Saxony.

It is also worth noting that many Germans settled in Silesia. I think that it would be interesting to accept German settlers, which would contribute to the development of the province (the one that the settlement action would concern) at the expense of changing its culture to a completely new one - Schlesisch (German Silesians).

Silesia requires the most updates and content additions from these three regions.


1. Pomeranians should stay in the German cultural group as much as possible. Kashubians should be included in the game and they would belong to the West Slavic cultural group. They could cover several provinces in the east of Pomerania and the Teutonic Order.
2. The Polabian culture could be added to the game, and it could be presented as a weak culture on the verge of extinction - so some nations could come to their aid.
3. - Turks should definitely have their own cultural group - what is now is very bad and messy.
- Albanians are a difficult topic because it is not known what cultural group they belong to - surely adding a unique cultural group especially for them would be something bizarre. Maybe it's worth trying to create a cultural group that includes all autochronic nations, including Albanians and Basques.
- As for Goths and Slovaks, I fully agree with you.
4. These are really very good suggestions and I would like to see them in the game. This would make Anatolia, the Caucasus and the Middle East very attractive.
5. The Coptic Egyptians are a cool idea. Maybe give them the opportunity to recreate a state that would be the heir of ancient Egypt?
One question: currently, when you form Silesia, Wroclaw doesn't automatically become your capital. Should it be so?
 
My suggestion on how to do the issue of England's flag is to have it depend on what the player chooses at the "Destiny of England" event.
If they seek to go Angevin, they receive the three lions, which leads to the classic English flag if they succeed with forming the Angevin Kingdom.
If they seek to go British, they receive the cross of St. George, which will nicely go in line with the British flag if they succeed in forming GB.
I love this suggestion!
 
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Als this week we got some definitely good content (maybe a bit OP but as the rest of this DLC).


I should also mention that these Protectorates are not Great Britain only as any country which “Confirms Thalassocracy” unlocks the following government reform, which is part of the free update:
Are the old modifiers of Confirm Thalassocracy still present or are they replaced by this new Government Reform?

You might have noticed that the Angevin flag is already included in the already used English flag. We are aware that it can feel kinda weird when you form the Angevin Kingdom and your flag, which was previously a combination of the Angevin and the French flag, just returns to being the Angevin one.
Because of that we request your opinion on that matter, and want to know what you guys prefer:
  1. Keep the way it is presented here (same flag for England, three lions for the Angevin Kingdom).
  2. Give the Angevin Kingdom the current English flag and give England the three lions as starting flag.
  3. Give the Angevin Kingdom the current English flag and give England the St. George cross as flag.
  4. Other ideas / suggestions.
Option 3 is certainly interesting but the best one is definitely the option 2, losing the french part when forming the angevin kingdom is awful.


I found pretty funny reading about Henry VIII the first in this event, clearly a minor bug.
 
Your suggestions are great! Autochtonic cultures should be reworked in the game.
Thank you very nice to meet you :D

As for Pomeranians - at that point regions of Mecklemburg were largely germanized but what is now Poland (Hinterpommern, Pomorze Zachodnie i Gdańskie) were still Slavic at that point. Of course germanization was in process but in 15th century Slavs still dominated in the countryside and Germans were slight majority in the cities like Stettin (Szczecin) or Köslin (Koszalin). In 16th century they began banning entrance of Slavs to the cities. So there was a bug influx of them from the countryside. So that's why Wolgast should start Slavic with and option to convert to Germanic later. Stettij should be Germanic with Stargard being still Slavic. So here is my idea to divide the Pomeranian culture into two - Pommersch (Mecklenburg and Stettin) and Pomeranian (Wolgast).
It seems to me that this is what Kashubians could do.

Topic of German settlers is also important - until 1945 Germans were present in a lot of place qround Eastern Europe. A lot of these settlements took place in the medieval era so for example Transylvanian Saxons should be represented. As for the others - you could get an event in which you can decide whether you want to invite Germans to one of your provinces (so the culture change there) if you play as e.g. Hungary and Poland. I think that province of Cheb was also German at that time.
Definitely yes. In Transylvania and what many do not know - on the Volga, there were really huge German settlements. Virtually every major city in Eastern Europe was inhabited by Germans - because they were skilled people who contributed most to the development of those areas. Therefore, it would be nice to see Transylvanian Saxons, Volga Germans (who would appear in the Volga area with the help of an event) and other references to German settlement - which was very important and influential in local communities.
 
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Looks interesting. Really hope that all of these missions trees balance out each other so that Europe doesn't turn into giant blobs. Also could it be possible that we could get an "Greek Seperatism"-style event for Ireland, where all the "Clanns" lose their cores and Irish cores replace them. Really sad that Ireland and Scotland aren't getting any love and it looks like Scotland is about to be steamrolled in 1.35. I hope the devs make it really hard for England to conquer Scotland, especially considering that by the start of the game, they've tried twice and failed both times. Having Scotland stay alive and on the mainland (I see you Orkney Scotland), should be a more common occurrence.

Also could Welsh and Breton be transferred to the Celtic culture group, so the Celtic culture group is a bit stronger?

Also @SaintDaveUK what unit models would the Angevian Tag use? Would they use the British models? French models? Or is this a surprise for a later date?
 
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Greetings! A new week, a new Dev Diary, and this time it is about our final big country of the DLC, England, and its follow-up nation of Great Britain. Similar to Russia, England and Great Britain received their content update with 1.25 which is now almost 5 years old. While the British mission tree was one of the most extensive in its time, it has become quite outdated and was in dire need of receiving an update in order to keep England on the same level as the other great powers which are seeing a liftover with 1.35.

So, let’s get started!
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These are all the missions you have available as England and as Great Britain. These missions are available to everyone who forms GB.

The mission tree is split into several themes:
- The internal affairs and issues of England, which were the War of the Roses, the English Reformation, and of course the English Civil War
- The classic conquest of the British Isles
- Trade Dominance in Europe
- Colonizing the New World
- The conquest of India
- Internal development

Starting with the classic missions, the British Isles conquest missions are what their name suggests: unifying the British Isles under your banner. The highlight of these missions is the ability to unlock the “Act of Union” which is a unique parliament issue to form Great Britain - more on it later. Also a ,QoL addition has been added to these conquest missions: if you conquer Scotland you can get the following event if Norway did not sell Orkney to Scotland yet.
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The AI is very likely to accept as long as they don’t have any negative opinion of you.

The missions regarding colonizing the New World are also quite self-explanatory. However, these missions do have some unique rewards which make colonization a little bit more interesting. The mission “Found the Royal Navy” grants you +33% Colonial Range and the ability to recruit explorers and conquistadors for 25 years. It also unlocks a parliament issue that gives you the same modifiers once the mission reward runs out.

“Discover the Americas” unlocks another Parliament issue with a rather experimental and unique effect:
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As long this modifier is active and you fully colonize a colony you get the following event:
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You get a selection of trade goods to choose from. The province will then start producing the selected trade goods. The first option keeps the current trade good if you don’t want to select any new production.

Keep in mind that the trade goods you can choose from have the same requirements as they would normally have when you colonize a province. In other words: you cannot select every province in North America to be a gold province out of nowhere.

Speaking of gold: selecting a certain trade good to be produced has a price that is calculated by the following formula: (1 + <the times you selected the trade good>) * 5 * <base cost of trade good without any modifications from events>.

In this example, we decide to create our own Fish & Chips monopoly, so we choose fish for every colonized province:
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Some trade goods are inherently more valuable than others. If a trade good has a higher base cost than 2.5 then it will also have an Administrative cost in order to be produced:
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Note: The admin cost will be rounded down to 7.

Again, the formula for this is also rather simple: (<base trade good price> - 2.5) * 25 * <the times you selected the trade good>.

Now of course I have to address the elephant in the room: Gold. In order to avoid a world where a Great Britain player would put a gold province in every single eligible province of the New World, I decided to give Gold an “estimated value” of 10 Ducats base cost. This is reflected in the price you have to pay for a Gold province in the new world:

The only limit for how many gold provinces you want in the end is not any hard block but your tolerance for pain in paying for the establishment of another gold province.

Of course there is a decision which toggles this off if you are not interested in micromanaging every single colony you create:

The missions “Settle in America” and “Colonize the Caribbean” modify your colonial capabilities even further with more unlocked parliament actions:
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Note: You have access to a sugar and spice version of this Parliament Action in the mission tree.

Finally, the mission “Dominate the New World” gives a permanent modifier which also benefits your colonial subjects too.
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Note: The Trade Efficiency might look weird considering that you siphon the trade from the New World, but Tariffs in their current iteration are calculated from the production income + trade income. As such, this bonus is an indirect bonus to how much tariff you receive from your colonies.

Of course a British mission tree would not be complete without a trip to India. The mission “East India Company” gives you an early choice of how you want to manage your territory in India.
The first option will release a unique subject in the form of the East India Company and it gives all permanent claims you get in India to your subject. The second option lets you keep the claims, but you won’t have access to your new subject, while the third option is for the purpose of role-playing where you can play as the company yourself, which might be an interesting campaign for some people.

The East India Company starts with a unique version of the Merchant Republic:

And of course it has its own set of ideas:
Code:
EIC_ideas = {
    start = {
        global_prov_trade_power_modifier = 0.2
        tolerance_heathen = 3
    }

    bonus = {
        global_trade_power = 0.15
    }
 
    trigger = {
        tag = EIC
    }
    free = yes        #will be added at load.

    eic_governors_general = {
        global_unrest = -1
        governing_capacity_modifier = 0.1
    }
    eic_indian_trade = {
        global_trade_goods_size_modifier = 0.15
    }
    eic_chartered_merchants = {
        merchants = 1
        placed_merchant_power = 10
    }
    eic_presidency_armies = {
        global_manpower_modifier = 0.1
        global_sailors_modifier = 0.2
    }
    eic_intercontinental_trade = {
        trade_steering = 0.25
        trade_range_modifier = 0.1
    }
    eic_colonial_monopoly = {
        trade_efficiency = 0.1
    }
    eic_colonial_exploitation = {
        trade_company_investment_cost = -0.1
        build_cost = -0.1
    }
}

This trade company subject has some special properties which aim to make it competitive to the trade companies we already know and love. A trade company behaves in many ways like a colony, which means it is able to declare its own wars, it will pay tariffs to its overlord and you can use the “Modify Subject Relationship” on them (modifications for Self-Governing Colonies are applied here). However, when an external nation attacks your Trade Company you are called into war. There are also some additional subject interactions which are not available to normal colonies such as “Siphon Income” and “Fortify Subject” (in the past it was March, but it has been renamed now).

“Masters of India”, which requires you to own or have a subject own 200 provinces in India, gives an additional bonus to your trade company subject:

These were the colonial missions. Now we move on to the internal missions.

The missions of the “War of the Roses” path are all about your religious internal affairs. Depending on what is your stance towards the clergy, you unlock one of the two government reforms for the 4th tier:
The missions “Strengthen the Kingdom” and “Acts of the Parliament” play heavily into the conflict between the monarch and the parliament during the Age of Absolutism, which eventually led to the English Civil War.

Completing both missions give you access to both mutually exclusive government reforms:

Speaking of, in order to properly represent the struggle between crown and constitution, you will eventually receive the following event as you enter the Age of Absolutism:
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Note: Background UI is still work in progress. The Monarchists will start the civil war when it reaches -100, not 100. Not shown in the image: if the value drops below 0 the modifiers change to: +4 Global Unrest, -10 Years of Nationalism, -10% Idea Cost and -1 Yearly Absolutism.

Resetting Debates, letting debates fail and revoking parliament seats increase your Absolute Power while giving away seats and letting debates win decrease Absolute Power. There are two ways of handling the mechanic altogether: you either juggle with the Absolute Power until the Age of Revolution starts or you try to reach either direction as fast as possible in order to trigger the following event:
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If this event fires then the conditions to fire the English Civil War change to the following:
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The disaster itself has seen little change per se. Pretender rebels on the parliament side have been replaced with a new, Parliamentarian rebel type which are basically Pretenders, but republican versions of them. The big change for the disaster is the end reward when you go through them.

If you side with the Royalists and end the Civil War without breaking to rebels you get the following reform:
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Letting the Parliamentarian win and choosing to become a republic will unlock the following reform:
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And finally, if you let the Parliamentarians win, but decide to become a monarchy after Cromwell’s death:
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If you complete the mission “The Three Kingdom Wars” (which really should have been called “Wars of the Three Kingdoms”, but there was no space for it) by going through the hassle of the English Civil War, you unlock the following reward:
These parliament issues are unlocked as you also unlock your national ideas. You have up to three issues which negate one of your national ideas in order to introduce a new strength.
These issues are, however, limited to three national idea groups in total though - they do not cover you if you form a nation which would not be typical in your England run like, let’s say France or Spain.

Of course you can toggle them off with a decision in order to have the space of your parliament issues not be occupied with them anymore, and you can revoke all of the adjustments - though at a heavy cost:
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Note: Forming a different country will automatically revoke these modifiers. I am also considering making this cost a lot less severe though in order to promote flexibility. Maybe 75 ADM cost per adjusted idea is more manageable.

While these were the internal disasters and issues, there is more to the mission tree. The mission “Issue the Royal Warrant” goes more into the economical direction of your country. While the mission itself can be completed rather early, its big reward is more something you will unlock later on as you get the following reform unlocked for tier 8:
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Note: Numbers are not final, as usual.

As it is somewhat of a running theme with 1.35, another mechanic of the old EU4 has returned once again, though this time it is a little bit different. Trade Protectorates are a voluntary relationship between you and the target country, and some AIs might even request to become such a subject in order to be protected from foreign forces. The Trade Protectorate and the overlord are free to annul the treaty, though they have to pay with 1 Stability unless the liberty desire is 100.

Only countries whose capitals are within your trade range are eligible to become your protectorates.

I should also mention that these Protectorates are not Great Britain only as any country which “Confirms Thalassocracy” unlocks the following government reform, which is part of the free update:

The missions following “A House Divided” (which is more a reference to how the “House of the Parliament” is split into the House of Common and the House of Lords) are more internally related missions. Highlights here are “Expand the Royal Navy” which unlocks the special unit of your country:
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Note: The color should be actually green as a reduced Engagement Width means more ships are in combat at the same time.
You have 20% of your Naval Force Limit available for constructing Man of War.

The mission “The Royal Marines” makes your marine units to be the “special land unit” of your country as it gives -10% Shock Damage Received and +5% Discipline while “The Redcoats” is a flat +10% Infantry Combat Ability until the end of the game.

Now that was the British Mission Tree. As you have seen, it is relying heavily on colonization and overseas ambitions. But not everyone might enjoy this kind of playstyle. Because of that there is a second path of the mission tree which is unlocked as soon as the Hundred Years’ War goes into its final phase. The mission “The Hundred Years’ War” fires an event which gives you the choice to play England in a new way which focuses a lot more on the continent:
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This will of course update your mission tree accordingly:
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All of the colonial missions are replaced with missions which nudge you into conquering vast territories of Europe. Of course, your first target is France and securing the personal union over it. In order to complete the mission “Shatter French Nobility” you will have to enact a unique Parliament Action which might cause pain in the short run, but ensures France’s loyalty to the English throne:

I mentioned earlier about the Acts of Union. For players, the Acts of Union will be an actual parliament issue which is available to you when you complete this mission “Unify the Isles” and have reached Administrative Technology 10.
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The AI will keep its decision though.

For the Angevin path we have something similar. The mission “The Angevin Kingdom” unlocks the English-French Acts of Union parliament issue which allows you to form a new tag:
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Note: Historically speaking, it would make more sense to have it as a name change as the “Angevin Empire” was mostly a name for the possessions of the Plantagenet dynasty and not a real political entity per se. For the sake of gameplay, however, I decided to make a new tag for it with unique ideas, colors and, most importantly, the flag.

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You might have noticed that the Angevin flag is already included in the already used English flag. We are aware that it can feel kinda weird when you form the Angevin Kingdom and your flag, which was previously a combination of the Angevin and the French flag, just returns to being the Angevin one.
Because of that we request your opinion on that matter, and want to know what you guys prefer:
  1. Keep the way it is presented here (same flag for England, three lions for the Angevin Kingdom).
  2. Give the Angevin Kingdom the current English flag and give England the three lions as starting flag.
  3. Give the Angevin Kingdom the current English flag and give England the St. George cross as flag.
  4. Other ideas / suggestions.
With that being said, let's take a look at the ideas:
Code:
AVE_ideas = {
    start = {
        global_manpower_modifier = 0.2
        improve_relation_modifier = 0.3
    }

    bonus = {
        years_of_nationalism = -5
    }
 
    trigger = {
        tag = AVE
    }
    free = yes        #will be added at load.

    angevin_decentralized_rule = {
        core_creation = -0.2
    }
    english_common_law = {
        global_tax_modifier = 0.15
        num_of_parliament_issues = 1
    }
    lessons_of_the_anglo_french_wars = {
        discipline = 0.05
    }
    the_many_thrones = {
        heir_chance = 0.5
        years_to_integrate_personal_union = -10
    }
    reformed_angevin_infantry = {
        infantry_power = 0.1
    }
    seneschal_of_france = {
        governing_capacity_modifier = 0.15
    }
    rule_of_the_plantagenet = {
        legitimacy = 1
        devotion = 1
        horde_unity = 1
        republican_tradition = 0.3
        meritocracy = 1
    }
}

Note: England and Great Britain too received a +1 Number of possible Parliament Issues. The Horde Unity and Meritocracy (as well as Devotion / Legitimacy / Republican Tradition) have been added to all ideas which give one of the 5 government measurements in order to promote more variety in campaigns where you can switch your governments without feeling at a disadvantage because of it.

From here on out your path is set to conquer Iberia and Italy, as well as pushing into the Lowlands and the HRE. Each of these regions unlocks a “Crown of <Region>” Parliament issue which lets you decide how to properly deal with your newly conquered territory:
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Note: There will be a tooltip saying that you unlock HRE related parliament issues.

These issues will affect the HRE as a whole and not just your country.

Another highlight would be the ability to adapt the British culture group into the French culture group with the mission “The Angevin Culture”:
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A final highlight would be “Claim the Empire Title” which gives your country a name fitting to your situation.
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And if you, somehow, manage to fall from grace…
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That was it for mission tree content. However, there is still a lot more to talk about. As you might have noticed, the parliament plays a large role in the content. As such, it was only natural to improve the parliament mechanics in general and then to add something special to the parliament of England / GB / Angevin to make it stand out from the other parliaments.

So, let us take a look at the general improvements for the parliaments. First thing first, parliaments have now the ability to reset a debate.
You can reset a debate only every 20 years and it brings some penalties with it. Still, it can be a nice QoL addition when you accidentally select the wrong debate.

Secondly, parliament bribes will no longer spawn for an issue which would give this resource as an effect when the issue gets passed. Example: the parliament issue “The Draft” which gives manpower scaled to the seats will never have any parliament bribe which requests you to pay with manpower.

Thirdly, the prices of bribes have been revisited and have been tuned down to a manageable number.

Fourthly, parliaments of a size of 40 seats unlock new bribes which have “National” in their name. These bribes are more expensive than their local version, but have the bundled effect to automatically flip all seats with this kind of bribe in favor of the bribe. This way parliaments of big nations with many seats are not as annoying anymore as they were in the past.
Finally, manually placing a parliament seat no longer reduces absolutism. Getting seats assigned automatically, on the other hand, does cost absolutism.

All of these parliament updates are available if you have Common Sense (the original DLC which unlocks Parliaments) or the new DLC (which unlocks Parliaments too in case you don’t have Common Sense).

Now back to England / GB which have a bit more refined version of their parliament. Most issues they have access to now scale in their effect power with the influence of one of their estates:
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Note: I consider to push this all one level up, so that the 100% of the normal effect would be achieved between 20% and 40% already.

This has not an effect on the modifiers from the issues themselves though, only on the instant effects, so keep this in mind.

Bribes, on the other hand, scale with the loyalty of the estate:
If an estate is disloyal, the cost of the bribe increases by 100%. However, if the estate is loyal then the bribe gets reduced by 50%. This stacks with the government mechanic of halved parliament issue costs, so it is possible that a single bribe might be as cheap as 1 Monarch Power.

Now with that all being said, let’s end this dev diary with the additional events England / GB / Angevin receives:
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Note: This event is the starting point of 8 events in total which depict the different ways of how the English monarchs handled the reformation. Each option leads to different events. The AI always picks the one option which fits their ruler’s religion - even if it is against their country’s religion.

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Note: the conditions for this event to happen are similar to the ones for its Reformed equivalent.
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And that was it for this week. Next week @Pavía will present content for the minor Great Powers, unique government reforms and additional estate privileges.

Until then I wish you all a nice week!
Good stuff! These changes to parliament are very welcome— previously, I never bothered with debates and just took the corruption hit. Glad to see it’s now viable with a larger country.

One more QoL change comes to mind for parliaments. Can you add seats to a map mode— maybe the government types one? It’s a pain to assign them when you have a ton of provinces and have to click through each one to check if it’s already been assigned.

My flag vote is for option 2. Fingers crossed one of the tags discussed next week is Persia!
 
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Wrocław should automatically be the capital of united Silesia. The capitals of Lower Silesia could be Legnica (for Wrocław to be honored as the capital of all Silesia) and the capital of Upper Silesia should be Opole.

In addition, I would add automatic names in Silesian. Then, for example, Wrocław would be called Brosłōw.
 
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The content seems lighter than the other focus trees and I'm a bit dissapointed to not see a branching republican mission tree, syncing this with some flavour for revolution or the radical elements of the parliamentarian movement: Levellers, military centralists etc. even the republican proposal for a united republic of UK and Netherlands. Especially relevant given this largely reduces the Rule Britannia tree by splitting the colonial vs contiental... Is this the final product here or is there scope for some inclusion here?

Angevin flag should be eng+fra and english flag should be st george's cross. Either that or a new unique Angevine flag- red background with fluer de lis and lions on it perhaps?
 
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Will the East India Company get a massively reduced quest for freedom?

Otherwise it will be impossible to give her all of India. And in the course of the historical situation she should get it. (Ok they didn't have all of India but you know what I'm getting at)
That is a very good point. EIC should have exactly zero liberty desire, no matter what, because their actual capital would be actually in the same capital as yours, in London. Being a company incorporated by the royal charter, which you could revoke at any time, and whose their headquarters is right in your capital, the independence from the Crown, as much as a company would like (*coughs* capitalists *coughs* ;) ), is, frankly, virtually impossible in practice. The only way that any of the provinces owned by EIC could truly be free of the English/British rule is through rebellion against the EIC.

There also should be a representation of substantial involvement of EIC in tea trade and, consequently, the chances for an event about late adoption of opium (in 1781, at earliest, in actual history) as a device to reduce trade deficit, which can be especially more pronounced after a huge, exhausting war on scale of Great French War (the French Revolutionary Wars and the Napoleonic Wars combined, over roughly twenty years) in late-game that produced economic difficulties in post-war transition and especially if China insists on silver as a commodity to pay for tea. The chances for Opium Wars, though, would be very low in late-game given that the disparity between China and Britain in terms of naval power and such are not yet quite wide even shortly after the spectacular career that the Royal Navy had in the Napoleonic Wars. But it probably could potentially still happen before the game's end in 1821.

Moreover, all trade companies as an actual nation should also have East Indiaman as a special naval unit as well, even though it already existed as a transport ship. Let's just say that East Indiaman as a special naval unit would be even more powerful than their transport ship counterpart in the game. Such a powerful naval unit may also especially prove useful for the companies in fighting off piracy in their vicinity.

Talking all about the special units make me so wish that we have an ability to add special units via modding, but my understanding is that it is not possible to enable that. Which is a shame, but oh, well.

That also reminds me... I may be missing something in the dev diary, but I wonder what would become of the benefits you get on trade routes in India with trading companies that you would normally assign to the provinces you owned yourself in India? Do you still get this benefit or perhaps even more powerful version?
 
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My honest proposition is to get English culture, Scottish culture and LowLands German Cultures into a single group called ,,West German'' [culture] also get Welsh and Cornwall into Celtic Group.
I hope you devs will consider doing it. Love y'all.
 
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With the reduction to the parliament effect length does that mean we will have only five years between debates? It would be pretty handy to change effects quickly. You mention how we can force an issue through as British Absolute Monarchy, does that mean we get a selection of issues and can pass one automatically?

On the Protectorate front, I love seeing them back, but waiting until tier 8 is a long time. Is there a way to change the reform to an earlier tier? By that time many of the smaller nations are going to be gone. I would suggest moving it to tier 3 as it seems more like a Bureaucracy choice than a Legitimization of Power.

Great changes!

EDIT: A couple more questions:
1. With the extended issue effect does that mean we can have multiple effects going or does it just extend the time between debates?
2. I see that the East India Company has reduced trade company investment costs. Does that mean it can trade company Indian provinces or is mostly for human players when they expand outside India?
 
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Looks interesting. Really hope that all of these missions trees balance out each other so that Europe doesn't turn into giant blobs. Also could it be possible that we could get an "Greek Seperatism"-style event for Ireland, where all the "Clanns" lose their cores and Irish cores replace them. Really sad that Ireland and Scotland aren't getting any love and it looks like Scotland is about to be steamrolled in 1.35. I hope the devs make it really hard for England to conquer Scotland, especially considering that by the start of the game, they've tried twice and failed both times. Having Scotland stay alive and on the mainland (I see you Orkney Scotland), should be a more common occurrence.

Also could Welsh and Breton be transferred to the Celtic culture group, so the Celtic culture group is a bit stronger?

Also @SaintDaveUK what unit models would the Angevian Tag use? Would they use the British models? French models? Or is this a surprise for a later date?
Angevin and the Anglois culture will use the regular British/English models, but with a slightly different colour. Yellow facings I think? Might change once we settle on a flag.
 
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The french crown entity would still be here, I mean, the hundreds war was mainly because the plantagenet had a capetian ancestor down somewhere in the line. And what I expect, if history had been different is the Anglo king going to rule from Paris while English would be the junior partner, after all, there was a massive French population unlike the brits in this period.

So all this to say, keep the fleur-de-lys with the lions, both represent the 2 dynasties and countries linked to the Angevin realm
I agree with what you say in the first paragraph, but this restoration of the rule of the angevin kings is not historical. The current english flag is the flag used by Henry VI, who styled himself as the King leading a union of England and France. He was actually crowned King of France on the 16th of December 1431. Since he is the starting ruler of England, i think they should keep the fleur de lys-lion flag.

The Angevin empire you form is ahistorical, it never formed. The term ´Angevin` was only first used in 1887. The in-game path should represent a becoming aware of an 'angevin' identity and the following proclamation of an Angevin nation. My point being that a new identity is 'invented', so the choice for their flag does not need to be based in history. Although if you get the Plantagenet dynasty, i think the Angevin kingdom should get the three lions flag and i support option 1.

My personal favorite for the angevin empire is this flag:
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It reminds me of the Austrian-Hungarian flag, as much a union of crowns as the Angevins would be. Also it incorporates the color scheme of the Angers flag, the former capital of Anjou, from which the name 'Angevin' comes (according tho the Oxford dictionary). Whose flag is this:

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One of these flags would be my choice for the Angevins.

thank you for coming to my tedtalk.
 
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Another highlight would be the ability to adapt the British culture group into the French culture group with the mission “The Angevin Culture”
Alternatively, it would be fun to have a second option to have it the other way around. Make it the more difficult and time-consuming path so the British won't suffer the fate of turning French.
 
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My honest proposition is to get English culture, Scottish culture and LowLands German Cultures into a single group called ,,West German'' [culture] also get Welsh and Cornwall into Celtic Group.
I hope you devs will consider doing it. Love y'all.
I don't think that makes any sense. Dutch is closely related to Low German, which was still widespread in northern Germany at the time. (A real separation only took place with the political separation of the Netherlands after the fall to Spain and the following 80-year war). In 1444, however, the territories are also only German counties and duchies. Where you would not have noticed where the border to today's northern Germany is.
 
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