Götterdämmerung | Expansion Pass

[Giraffus]

LMAO Vanilla Mp Name a bigger joke, MP mods exist And Will balance the new focus trees ( most Hist games probably wont even use them) So stop complaining about how it will ruin MP when it likley wont. Also if they never added Focus trees to 90% of the countries you listed hoi4 would be dead by now Because lack of DLC and areas to expand the game. More content is not bad Especially when the state of the game as it is Right now is fine. Not everyone plays strictly Hist games either, I would recken Most people dont Always play hist (MP AND SP) Hist Gets very boring after awhile and Nonhist paths are typically the most interesting/Fun. but complaining how it will ruin the balance is just dumb Cause this game really isnt a ww2 Game anymore, Its a sandbox strategy game Set During 1936-1945 Where you can Change the historical outcome however u want using Focus trees.

Most multiplayers do play historical. BUt even then, I only brought vanilla MP because it's something that a lot of people got introduced to game through.

That was never the point though, the point as I outlined in another thread is that Austria is not alt-history, it's two existing paths (Germany and Austria-Hungary) smashed into a single country, while risking interfering with the existing stuff. Austria is uninteresting from a ahist perspective as well, given that everything it offers already exists elsewhere.

>most Hist games probably wont even use them
TFB leaves in the AAT focus trees, why wouldn't they leave in these?
>LMAO Vanilla Mp Name a bigger joke
Red Baron is still a very popular server lmao

 

[seattle]

Finally, I'm able to enjoy vanilla Germany again!
The expansion pass sucks (3d models, nation pack), but the Götterdämmerung expansion is an instant buy.

I just have one concern: please don't focus too much on the alternative paths and instead concentrate on the historical path!
Make Hitler a more central figure in the historical Germany path with interferences and a political loyalty system for different lobby groups (Wehrmacht, Himmler boys,...)

I would love to see strategic objective choices for the major campaigns, example Barbarossa:
a) Halder-plan: concentrate on HG Centre and focus on taking Moscow early --> Hitler disapproves and you'll suffer some penalty
b) Hitler-plan: advance simultaneously north, centre, south with a focus on the south to capture Donbass and Caucasus --> full Hitler approval with some political bonuses
c) North plan: concentrate on HG North, take Leningrad and then swing south...
Each strategic campaign decision choice should come with a time plan, objectives to capture and reward/punishment system.

 

[Giraffus]

LMAO Vanilla Mp Name a bigger joke, MP mods exist And Will balance the new focus trees ( most Hist games probably wont even use them) So stop complaining about how it will ruin MP when it likley wont. Also if they never added Focus trees to 90% of the countries you listed hoi4 would be dead by now Because lack of DLC and areas to expand the game. More content is not bad Especially when the state of the game as it is Right now is fine. Not everyone plays strictly Hist games either, I would recken Most people dont Always play hist (MP AND SP) Hist Gets very boring after awhile and Nonhist paths are typically the most interesting/Fun. but complaining how it will ruin the balance is just dumb Cause this game really isnt a ww2 Game anymore, Its a sandbox strategy game Set During 1936-1945 Where you can Change the historical outcome however u want using Focus trees.

It's very telling you didn't reply to any of my balance concerns.

 

[Giraffus]

So basically Austria's job should have remained going down the generic industrial branch to give Germany or Hungary free factories when either one was ready to annex them. As it is, the AI sometimes does other focuses that are useless for either annexing nation.

Yes, I think that would be best, if anything they should give them historical scripting that forces them down the industry path

 

[Umbosch]

You'll find out on Monday

Austria will be presented on October 7th? The day of the GDR? The Workers and Peasants State? The dictatorship of the proletariat? Maybe Arheo is really right that everything is just a coincidence with the data. Garrak the Tailor said...

Back to 3 oct. On that day in 1942, Hitler gave his speech in the sports palace: "We only have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down." and how will the video open? The Germans were probably successful in the Paradox universe after all. It only lasted 82 years. Where can I collect my prize?

But wait a minute? Why the german kaiser nuke the USA? Was there still a causus belli from the Seven Years' War? Can that be? A Old german flag and prussian flag? Was there a army putch?

 

[Giraffus]

What if I told you not everyone plays HoI4 to relive the exact same sequence of events over and over like some sort of Groundhog Day?

Germany being white isn't a different event...

 

[Giraffus]

We, the customers, can give feedback and say what we would like, ,but the only *real* input is to buy, or not to buy. That is the only real choice you get to make.
You *do not* get to design the game to your own specifications.

Except I can't, because the mechanics are what sellls DLC, If I wanted focus trees i'd go play RT56. Winning the war as germany is still an althist you know, but whatever. Just know some of us care more about gameplay than clicking the button that makes you a heckin monarchy.

And say I wanted an achievment too, no luck there either.

 

[Giraffus]

Th


I also like alt-history, but one point of these forums is to discuss the future direction of PDX games, with the devs reading on. That's all @Giraffus is doing. They're allowed to say they don't like the plans that have been announced.

Thank you

 

[Telenil]

Disappointed that Czechoslovakia isn't there. Hopefully it will get some minor changes, like other trees did in other DLCs.

 

[Burleon]

In the video you said Reichkommisariats will get a re-work too, with this opportunity please add the only country besides Germany to have Reichkommisariats in the East, Romania, a quick add-on the Governate of Transnistria, worth a shot, at least Romania will get a little something out of this too
The next DLC imo should be a "Little Entente" DLC where Czecho, Romania, Yugo and maybe Albania, get brand new focus trees, not fricking Afghanistan lol.

 

[luthfi_ganteng4]

Kinda curious if there would be helicopter, air to air missiles, ATGM, and surface to air missiles for the superweapon tech tree since these already existed in late world war 2

 

[Ollfardh]

From my earlier post about Belgium/Congo/Uranium:

Historical should be quite straight forward. Trying to stay neutral (again), building up the defences at Liege and Antwerp (again). Building the big Eben-Emael fortress to slow the Germans down (and German options to counter the fortress)). The Mechelen Incident should be there. Then there's the entire Leopold III storyline with all the problems he caused. Of course Congo should get some content as well. The Flemish independence movement will provide the path to collaboration and Fascism, while Wallonia could get the communists going for some alt history. NATO and early EU stuff towards the end of the war.

As for the second part, I think the race for the bomb is too simplistic at the moment. I guess most of us saw Oppenheimer by now and I feel the development of the nuclear weapons should be more complex than it is at the moment. Uranium should be added as a resource and developping the atomic bomb should have more steps than just the 1 research. You need Uranium, you need the research, but also the logistics and infrastructure to develop it.

Coming back to Belgium and Congo, the Union Minière company in Katanga was pretty much the only company in the world that was extracting Uranium in large numbers. The Germans took over 1000 tons (or even more according to some sources) of Uranium from Olen factory when they invaded in 1940. Later in the war, the Americans acquired Uranium from Katanga to develop Little Boy and Fat Man.

So probably the Manhattan Project should be expanded on for the USA. The British, French and other allies should also be able to follow up on this. For the Soviets there could be a choice between spying on the Americans and developing their own nuclear program (I somehow feel some accidents should be there for the latter). For the Germans, there should be a choice to use the captured Uranium and fully commit to the Uranprojekt, or neglect it in favor or other war stuff as happened in real life.

Finaly, I think the race to capture German scientists between the USA and USSR at the end of WWII should be a thing, to set up the Cold War for those who like to play a bit longer.

 

[Silens]

Since the weekly plan started yesterday, can we expect the Weekly Stream today, since it's Friday?

 

[riadach]

This is amazing ! Can we expect a minor focus tree for Luxembourg similar to the Icelandic one ? What about Czechoslovakia and Slovakia ? Will they have any minor changes made to them ?

That would make Ireland the only European country without a focus tree.

In fairness, it did spend most of its time trying to stay out of the war.


Edit: Apologies, Albania as well.

 

[Ollfardh]

PS: Awesome name choice for the next expansion!

 

[Giraffus]

In the video you said Reichkommisariats will get a re-work too, with this opportunity please add the only country besides Germany to have Reichkommisariats in the East, Romania, a quick add-on the Governate of Transnistria, worth a shot, at least Romania will get a little something out of this too
The next DLC imo should be a "Little Entente" DLC where Czecho, Romania, Yugo and maybe Albania, get brand new focus trees, not fricking Afghanistan lol.

There already was a little entente DLC, Death or Dishonor. These countries already have all the "content" they could need, and serve their function well in Barb.
Not every country needs to have 10 billion mini games.

 

[Burleon]

There already was a little entente DLC, Death or Dishonor. These countries already have all the "content" they could need, and serve their function well in Barb.
Not every country needs to have 10 billion mini games.

Well with this logic Germany and Hungary already got a DLC lmao and shouldnt have a re-work.

 

[Dumbledood]

While I am happy to finaly see the well deserved Hungary rework, as for thus far I think that the Austrian Focus tree(Empire path, seems a bit small and not really expanded enough as it could be, plus I hope it does add enough content where by the end of 1944 you have stuff to do like colonies or making mexico, spain or the benelux back as your Imperial subject or allies).

Agreed however there is another joint focus tree for the entire Austro-Hungarian empire/danubian federation/etc so there should be more content we haven't see yet. However I do share your concerns it looks very thin focus tree with small paths.

I do hope you include a bit of new economic terms like corporatism considering that Austria was historically in that period a corporatist state but unlike italies fascist corporatism it was catholic corporatism which included Zünfte/guilds (I assume if A-O existed would have too supported this form of economy... considering that the Habsburgs still are known as devout catholics).

There is a focus called insitute corporatism in Hungary's focus tree so I would assume they would add something like that in the fascist autria focus tree.

 

[ashbery76]

So late game Wolfenstein tech is in?

 

[Nattmaran]

Agreed however there is another joint focus tree for the entire Austro-Hungarian empire/danubian federation/etc so there should be more content we haven't see yet. However I do share your concerns it looks very thin focus tree with small paths.

There is indeed more content you haven't seen yet, and some paths are available to more than one ideology