HoI 4 Dev Diary - Formable Nations and Achievements

[Thure]

I like Byzantium as much as the next person on these forums, but this actively repels me away from buying any HOI4 DLC. I want a WWII grand strategy game to be about strategy. This is supposed to be the end of a development cycle that fleshes out China. So will we get any mechanics to simulate the way Japanese logistics bogged down in China? No... instead we get Byzantium.

I dont hate the idea of ahistorical stuff in addition to the realistic stuff and mechanics that emphasize playability over "realism". I bought Sunset invasion and enjoyed it. But guys, you gotta throw the grognards a bone every once in a while. The point of the DLC is supposed to be so that development of the game can continue. What's the point of continuing to develop the game if the mechanics aren't going to gain any depth?

Personally I think that if the player conquers the world with Columbia and the name is 'wrong', it's a good thing. Turning Columbia into a superpower should require fiendish ingenuity and essentially breaking the system. Getting to the point where the game no longer can track you is the badge of honor, it show's you've made it.

Do you really thing adding Byzantium is as much work as a 'mechanics to simulate the way Japanese logistics bogged down in China'? Or do you really thing it's done by the same people? So to make it clear for you:
Mechanics are hardcoded by scripters who can change the exe and can add new features and so.
Byzantium and formable nations are made by event/decision-scripters.
This are generally two different set of people by Paradox.

 

[Wasted Shampoo]

@Thure he probably meant to say that simulate an accurate and historical logistic issue, that Japan had actually experienced in WW2, is way more interesting and important than forming the Byzantinum empire.
And probably the resources would have been used to recreate something missing in a WW2 game.

The general concern is that the game had strayed too much from the WW2 topic and we don’t like it.

 

[Axen_NS]

This looks... amazing.

 

[The Comedian]

Will Spain be able to recover its former glory?

 

[General Apocalypse]

Byzantium !!!!

SRSLY this expansion while it seems to be light on content has TONS of improvements for the quality of life . I do hope it lays the work for major problem fixing.

The teleporting bombers , recon company that makes you disorganized and artillery that takes more space than a whole infantry division seriously need fixing.

Anyway . BYZANTIUM !!!!!

SPQR now please ? It's fine with mods but when it is official it's 1000% better since it's bug proof and the modding community can focus on other matters.

Did I mentioned ? Byzantium !!!

 

[Alex_brunius]

China's sales are fourth.HOI4 is very popular in China.The number of Chinese used in the world is the first.Many enthusiasts volunteered to translate the game into Chinese, although it was hard, but they did it. Why not launch official Chinese？

Maybe not?:

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...-iron-iv-removed-from-steam-in-china.1052971/

 

[TheDungen]

They do not. The decisions are named in a flavorful manner. All descriptions point out the fact that these nations are being formed for propaganda purposes, and that for certain regimes the ability to point to a great empire in the past and to claim to be the (spiritual) continuation of that empire may well be of incredible importance for popular support for the government. The Kalmar Union decision is named such to illustrate what the government portrays itself as the continuation of. The names for the actual state are different.

SCA_UNIFIED_neutrality:0 "Kingdom of Scandinavia"
SCA_UNIFIED_fascism:0 "Scandinavian Empire"
SCA_UNIFIED_democratic:0 "Scandinavia"
SCA_UNIFIED_communism:0 "Scandinavian Socialist State"

... yay Scandinavia is back, the most boring name for a union ever. Let's face it there never would be Scandinavia if Sweden took over Denmark and Norway they'd be part of Sweden and vice versa. Good I hate you obsession with adding Scandinavia.

I like Byzantium as much as the next person on these forums, but this actively repels me away from buying any HOI4 DLC. I want a WWII grand strategy game to be about strategy. This is supposed to be the end of a development cycle that fleshes out China. So will we get any mechanics to simulate the way Japanese logistics bogged down in China? No... instead we get Byzantium.

I dont hate the idea of ahistorical stuff in addition to the realistic stuff and mechanics that emphasize playability over "realism". I bought Sunset invasion and enjoyed it. But guys, you gotta throw the grognards a bone every once in a while. The point of the DLC is supposed to be so that development of the game can continue. What's the point of continuing to develop the game if the mechanics aren't going to gain any depth?

Personally I think that if the player conquers the world with Columbia and the name is 'wrong', it's a good thing. Turning Columbia into a superpower should require fiendish ingenuity and essentially breaking the system. Getting to the point where the game no longer can track you is the badge of honor, it show's you've made it.

Scripters script and coders code, also many of these countries would totally do this if they got the chance. And if they got that far without doing it it would be more grating than them doing it.

 

[Eiya]

Maybe not?:

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...-iron-iv-removed-from-steam-in-china.1052971/

You do realize that there are a lot of Chinese players throughout the world and not just in mainland China right?

If Paradox ever gets to releasing an official Chinese localization I hope they don't forget to include a traditional Chinese version for the playerbase in Hong Kong, Taiwan etc.

 

[Alex_brunius]

You do realize that there are a lot of Chinese players throughout the world and not just in mainland China right?

If Paradox ever gets to releasing an official Chinese localization I hope they don't forget to include a traditional Chinese version for the playerbase in Hong Kong, Taiwan etc.

Yes, but is it really enough to motivate that 2 translations must be done with priority?

For example in Taiwan (which is where most Chinese living outside mainland China are) you have 23 million inhabitants, less then half of South Korea or nothing compared to the 126 million Japanese, so it would make much more sense to translate HoI4 to Korean and Japanese well before Chinese.

I think that is enough of-topic now though, so let's get back to talking bout the DD?

 

[TheAtreides84]

Very interesting. Can some of these nations be formed from the outside? Like, as Germany, establishing the Baltic union as a puppet after having conquered the region.

 

[Thure]

... yay Scandinavia is back, the most boring name for a union ever. Let's face it there never would be Scandinavia if Sweden took over Denmark and Norway they'd be part of Sweden and vice versa. Good I hate you obsession with adding Scandinavia.

But... They would call it Scandinavia? No it wouldn't just be Sweden and vice versa. Svandinavia was the term the Scandinavists used...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavism

 

[DomMartin]

economics-simulator-that-shall-not-be-named

We all know it's Victoria II and you know that we want III.

 

[Tempestra]

But... They would call it Scandinavia? No it wouldn't just be Sweden and vice versa. Svandinavia was the term the Scandinavists used...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavism

The Scandinavists were an utterly marginal group with no effect on policy even at their height.

If anybody was in a position to affect Scandinavian union, especially during WW2, they would not have been interested in some poetry written a hundred years ago.

 

[Serensius]

Really stoked for this expansion, but this dev diary falls completely flat for me. I wish the content designers would have spent this time creating more decisions and plausible formable nations that improve the historical mode gameplay, instead of this. If I want meme-y content like this I can download a mod.

 

[Wasted Shampoo]

I wish the content designers would have spent this time creating more decisions and plausible formable nations that improve the historical mode gameplay, instead of this.

We are all shouting the same opinion. Looks like the “historical purists” are rising.

 

[Serensius]

We are all shouting the same opinion. Looks like the “historical purists” are rising.

Well, this is the time and place to voice these opinions. If all the comments are positive to this alt-history stuff there's a definite chance that we'll see more of that type of content.

I'm not a HoI 3-grognard, I think Paradox deserves huge credit for this game and the design philosophy of dynamic systems over scripted events. This game is already miles above HoI 3 imo, despite its issues. What I want to see from the devs is the lovingly crafted content and systems that create a rich, historically plausible WWII experience.

 

[keynes2.0]

We are all shouting the same opinion. Looks like the “historical purists” are rising.

So I guess we are a formable nation now? Should the three letter abbreviation of Grognardstan be GRG or GGG?

 

[Wasted Shampoo]

What I want to see from the devs is the lovingly crafted content and systems that create a rich, historically plausible WWII experience.

We all want that. We are ok with alt-history, as long I don’t see it happening in my games.
We only would like to see the same amount of contents for a big slice of the community, which is currently neglected.

It’s just seems fair to me asking for more realism and close to history experience in a game like this. I’m even happy to pay for it.

 

[Bratyn]

I NEED TO KNOW NOW, WILL FORMING BIZANTIUM rename isambul to Constantinople

Yes.

 

[TheDungen]

But... They would call it Scandinavia? No it wouldn't just be Sweden and vice versa. Svandinavia was the term the Scandinavists used...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavism

Scandinavianism was about a diplomatic union if I am not incorrect a system that the game does not currently support. The game as is requires one of them to conquer the two others and then it wouldn't be a union of equals.

Also did you read that article, political Scandinavianism is a vic2 phenomenon (19th century) while in the post ww1 era it had been replaced with political nordism. Probably due in part to the independence of Finnland.
Oh and the fact that Sweden and Norway had a major fallign out during ww1 when norway more or less told Sweden that if Sweden joined the central powers they'd go to war with them, they ended up 'guaranteeing each others neutrality'. The climate is totally wrong for a union of equals in 1936 and if Sweden retook norway and denmarl they would not call it the Scandinavian empire they'd call it the Swedish Empire. And with good reason the Swedish empire at it peak was a lot more powerful than the Kalmar Union was at it's peak.

Essentially it might be said ti have ended with norway becomming independent from Sweden, before that the only thing really needed was for denmark to enter into the union for a united scandinavia. In fact the specifics of the nroway independence referedum makes it impossible for any monarch of house Bernadotte to rule Norway.