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HoI4 Dev Diary - AI Plans

Hello, and welcome back to the very last feature DD before we release Man the Guns on February 28th. Today we will be showing you a few more details of the AI strategy plans you can set in the Custom Game Rules Menu.

In Waking the Tiger, we created the backend support to give the AI multiple paths it can go down, and in the free 1.6 'Ironclad' update releasing together with Man the Guns, we have expanded this feature by combining it with the Custom game Rules menu, which now allows you to pick which path a country should go down.

Every country with a unique focus tree now has at least two AI strategy plans, depending on the number of branches in the focus tree. You can either pick which plan the AI should follow specifically, let the AI pick a plan at random, or tell the AI to obey the other game settings.

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The setting for an AI overrides all other game settings, so if you check historical focuses but tell the German AI to restore the Kaiser, it will pick Oppose Hitler anyway.

Since this would allow you to set up scenarios that would make some achievements fairly trivial, these settings largely disable achievements.

It should also be noted that this allows you to create combinations that lead to situations we didn’t anticipate when we made some focus trees (“Should Democratic Germany really ally with Communist Hungary to contain Fascist France? What if Britain is Communist?”) or event chains. Given the often mutually-exclusive nature of focus trees and the sheer number of possible combinations, that can lead to situations where one AI can no longer continue its path or things behave in an unexpected way.

Today, we are going to go through a little AAR based on one of the little scenarios people around the office have been using: “How many monarchies can I have at the same time?”

So Germany will bring back the Kaiser, Hungary will restore Austria-Hungary, Romania will aim to achieve Balkan Dominance, Japan will restore the Emperor, Manchukuo will attempt to gain independence, Britain will give support to the King’s Party (Charles II of Romania approves, but is quietly told that is not what that means) and finally the Netherlands will try to support the only man in the Dutch government - Queen Wilhelmina. France is kept as default (so it will react to Imperial Germany), the US and Mexico are set to be random. We will observe from the country of Uruguay.

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Germany kicks off the Monarchist revival with their civil war. As a little sidenote: we have reworked the positioning of the armies at the start of the German Civil War a little to give a more coherent front line. Meanwhile, the Hungarian AI has decided to strengthen the Monarchists, Britain is still building up its industry and Japan is supporting the Kodoha Faction.

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While the German Civil War rages, Britain continues to build up and Hungary is rushing down the branch to restore the monarchy. With Romania set to expand later, that is probably the right choice.

Hitler’s Summer Offensive has the Royalists in Germany on the backfoot for most of 1936 before they manage to contain it. At the same time, Otto von Habsburg has assumed the Hungarian Crown. Incensed by Edward’s insistence to marry Wallis Simpson, the British government has resigned. Manchukuo is still biding its time, building up its industry.

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By October 1936, the Royalist counter-offensive is in full swing and has largely succeeded in restoring the original frontline. Meanwhile, Otto’s first act as King of Hungary is to start an ambitious program of industrial expansion - believing, no doubt, that providing jobs to the Hungarian workers will help build support for his rule.

Surprising many observers, Alf Landon has defeated Roosevelt in the presidential elections and wastes little time in returning the dollar to the gold standard in a bid to undo the damage wrought by the irresponsible policies of his predecessor.

As 1936 turns into 1937, the Royalists in Germany have pushed deep into fascist territory in the South and the far North. The British Empire has broken into pieces as the Dominions have shed the last ties to their former mother country, causing one British Civil Servant to exclaim “Not since Helen of Troy has such misfortune been brought over a great nation by a single woman!” (Churchill, reportedly, remarked “If only she had been single.”)

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About a year after the insurrection started, the writing is on the wall for Hitler. A last-ditch offensive in Mecklenburg has failed with only moderate territorial gains. As the King’s Party solidifies support for the monarchy in Britain, Otto von Habsburg has begun to take the next step on his way to restore the old lands of his dynasty: Turning Hungary into Austria-Hungary by adding Austria through a referendum.

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By early April 1937, the fighting has reached Berlin. Hitler orders all available resources to be thrown in a counterattack under General Steiner, but is informed by his Generals that this attack did not take place. He takes the news with his usual stoicism. The city falls a few days later, and the fascist government does not survive the end of the month.

In Britain, Edward has taken the crown and is evidently preparing a great coronation ceremony. Against all expectations, the people of Austria vote to return to the rule of a Habsburg King.

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The rather hasty departure of India from the British Empire brings the question of the Muslim population in the country to the forefront: worried about a lack of representation, Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh have taken up arms to defend their freedom. Observers expect a long and bloody struggle.

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By this point, the Civil War in Spain is considered little more than a sidenote, as Alf Landon shocks the world with a strong commitment to a policy he calls simply “America First”.

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The news of a minor incident in the Zeppelin Hindenburg is missed by most major newspapers, although German Princess Victoria Louise has reportedly shown a great interest in it.

Meanwhile in Asia, Generalissimo Chiang Kai-Shek is preparing a new offensive to finally bring the warlords on the periphery under his control. Emperor Puyi has successfully re-negotiated the relationship to Japan, giving him much more control over internal matters.

As the press in Europe prepares to attend the official ceremony in which King Otto of Hungary is crowned Kaiser of Austria-Hungary and the German Military Government declares its commitment to restoring the monarchy, the central government in China has declared the “Southern Pacification Campaign” against the obstinate Guangxi Clique and the governor of Yunnan.

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The Spanish Civil War ends in a Republican victory. In his first speech as Emperor of Austria, Otto announces that his government will seek to deepen ties with the former provinces of Bohemia and Slovakia, while also extending his warmest congratulations to the German government for defeating “the poisonous snake of fascism” in their country, promising to do what he can to help them in restoring the old order.

Seeing the way the wind is blowing (especially since their traditional ally, France, seems to face a resurgence of communism and may not be available to protect them for much longer), the Czechoslovakian government decides to accept Otto as King of Bohemia and be absorbed again into the resurgent Austria-Hungary. Not to be outdone by his now much larger neighbour, Charles II of Romania takes steps to institute a Royal Dictatorship.

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In India, Pakistan has shocked observers by reversing initial Indian gains and taking the offensive, with fighting now in the outskirts of Delhi. In Manchukuo, Emperor Puyi has purged the General Affairs Council of everyone he suspects of divided loyalties. In neighbouring China, the war in the southern part of the country has ground to a stalemate while Chiang Kai-Shek turns towards what many suspect was his true objective all along: eliminating the small base of the Communist party.

On the 4th of August, 1938, some 20 years after he was forced to abandon his throne, Kaiser Wilhelm II returns to Germany. The world, he remarks, seems to have finally understood why it needs monarchs. Meanwhile, Austria-Hungary, although still technically under the provisions of the Treaty of Trianon, has begun a barely-concealed rearmament program.

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The fortunes of war in India have turned once again, as India has launched a major offensive along the entire front and has pushed back Pakistani forces all along the line.

With the demise of the Hitler government in Germany, fascist Italy is looking increasingly alone on the world stage. This is cemented by diplomatic maneuvering at the highest level, with an exchange of personal letters between Kaiser Wilhelm II and his distant cousin Edward VIII. It appears that both see eye to eye with regards to Italy, and some diplomats even speculate that this is but the first step towards a full-scale alliance between the previous enemies. With France looking increasingly likely to fall to communism, Germany is eager to secure its back while it deals with the communist threat on the continent.

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In the final days of 1938, Indian forces finally crush the last bits of Pakistani resistance and end the long and bitter struggle.

At the start of 1939, the political landscape of Europe has changed quite dramatically. Two monarchs regained the thrones they had lost in 1918, and one has brought back the crown to a level of power not seen in centuries. In the Far East, Emperor Puyi is biding his time, as he knows that Japan must eventually strike against the Soviet Union - and when it does, his moment has come. The King of Romania has cemented his power, and although any attempt to strongarm Hungary is now impossible, he may yet assert his position on the Balkans.


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Meanwhile, in the US, conservative and reactionary elements have made a comeback, leading to a decisive shift to the right of US politics. With the post-war order in Europe collapsing and old thrones being restored, the US starts to prepare for an intervention in Europe, should it come to that.


That’s all for today. Next week we will have a MASSIVE RECAP episode, and then it’s time for the 1.6 Patchlog and Man the Guns release the week after.
 
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"A lot" is not a number to work with.

Majority of population supported regime and communist ideology, which was proven by WW2. Otherwise, if Soviet Union was so unstable and regime - vulnerable to such minor threats as White emigration, for it everything would have ended in 1941, autumn at best.
You ever wonder why most people in the USSR supported Stalin? Cough* Gulags cough* cough*.
 
When I finished reading his speech, I had fresh confirmation that General MacArthur was a demagogue with a political agenda, not the politically impartial military officer that he claimed to be. He was fired for undermining the elected political leadership of his country. He's the man the 'Media Personality' trait was made for.

Again, we should be wary of swallowing US propaganda about their state's resistance to monarchy. The US constitution puts all executive power in the hands of a single man (it has always been a man) and being a family member of a previous office-holder has been a major advantage in gaining that power recently. They may not use the trappings of medieval Christendom, but neither does the DPRK, which is functionally (though not rhetorically) a monarchy. Giving General MacArthur a sceptre and crown is implausible, but it's all too easy to imagine him manipulating the electoral college in order to ensure that he retained permanently the powers that he had once possessed over Japan. Plenty plausible enough for a monarchical US mod.

Would you care to repeat that outside the House of Commons in the World History forum, sir? :mad:
1. MacArthur would never have betrayed his country and he was right that the US should’ve went all the way as Communist China had already intervened anyway so really the US was already at war and should’ve dealt with Communist China while they had the chance (Truman’s foreign policy was pretty bad too).
2. DO NOT COMPARE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO NORTH KOREA.
3. History is something people need to know so that we can learn from the mistakes of before otherwise history is doomed to repeat itself.
 
yes, although the showed only ze althistory fascist path
however the rather obvious silence from ytbers and their hints(from last stream) point towards the fact that you will see some walkthroughs on youtube soon, very soon so you will able to see it there

Any chance you could point me toward what is already there?
 
You ever wonder why most people in the USSR supported Stalin? Cough* Gulags cough* cough*.
Yeah-yeah, half population sat there, another half - secured them. Never getting old...

The heroic sacrifices of Soviet citizens in WW2, which were so important to an early Allied victory, only proved that the majority of the Soviet population supported the regime's efforts to save them from slavery to genocidal foreigners. That could be motivated by Communism, nationalism, or simple survival. The terrible choice between Mr Stalin & Mr Hitler is quite different from the choice between Mr Stalin & various alt-history alternatives. So it's plausible for the forthcoming Soviet rework to include non-Communist options.
Until winter counteroffensive under Moscow Soviet people were kinda not aware about fact that they don't have choice with any other adequate option except fighting. Still, even in worst first weeks of war people were desperately fighting, inflicting unexpected losses to Germany - and you don't fight so under the fear of execution or inprisonment as would @RommelTheDesertFox assume. In such cases you kill own commanders and/or commissars and surrender - which happened too but not at all at the degree, that could allow to say, it was widespread or common phenomenon.

There were no reliable opinion polls or focus groups in the 1930s USSR, so it's very hard to assess the real level of support for the régime and alternatives to it. I once read an interesting paper on elections in that era that showed that in cases where more than one candidate was permitted (what Americans would call 'primaries' between CPSU and e.g. trade union candidates), the incumbent CPSU candidates didn't always win. To lose an election with the Stalinist machine behind you, you have to be staggeringly incompetent/unpopular.
If you want the explanation to such cases, check the number of Party members and compare with general population figures. "Stalinist machine" wasn't interested in machinations on elections of such level, while the fact of election as a deputee gave little privilege, but a lot of duties.

Well, just as Party membership, btw. Under Stalin's rule Party membership was something that you should deserve to get - through work or heroic deeds, it would become just universal social elevator for timeservers a bit later.

But the devs should be wary of swallowing Soviet propaganda about the permanence of their regime when they rework the USSR focus tree.
I just trying to explain that for every communist or non-communist alternative without foreign intervention you have to be inside the system - to be the one, who has the right to give unquestionable orders, using features of regime to own benefit. All other variants are as possible and plausible as MacArthur, becoming king - funny and memey but has nothing to do with history, alternative or not.

And position inside the system for the actor of struggle for power gives own benefits, but own restrictions too - when you using communist system to give yourself legitimacy, you HAVE to be communist yourself, at least publically.
 
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AI[/U]. If I was developing a baseball player robot, I don't think I'd need to hire the World Series winners in order to improve it. Getting a robot to reliably aim the ball at a particular point, run between bases without crashing into players, catch a ball moving quickly, etc., would all be enormous challenges in themselves. Trying to emulate the particular running style of an élite player would be a complete waste of resources in a context where bipedalism is a major achievement. In fact, I'm not even sure whether bipedalism is the optimal solution for a baseball-playing robot anyway.

I never claimed anyone believed it was perfect. But saying the templates logic that it is using is not the cause of many of these issues is where I take annoyance. Which is why I am saying change or update the logic.

Overall my efforts are intended to relay an optional approach to those hopefully future AI behavioral alternations. In that taking the logic and approach from successful high level players and transferring it in some form
Or another to the computer. Instead of just us slamming our faces in the wall for another 3 years and hoping the AI magically gets smarter. They clearly are designing the computer to think in a certain manner and if they can curtail those thoughts to either consider more. Or be refined enough to manage various elements in a more efficient manner or strategy then it will provide a more worthwhile experience. Because it would now be going that extra mile or at least have a better chance to do it successfully then what it currently is doing now. That’s it.

I again only cite the competitive multiplayer groups because of the high stakes cutthroat nature of their sessions. In where the human factor pushes the other to the point where such ideas and methods are generated in the first place.It should behave like it’s on the edge of its seat if it doesn’t build X planes by X date. Or have certain technology prepared to counter the opposing sides strategy based on the in game tools the players use to determine what the enemy might be doing. Like liscences, plane count, industry composition, naval size, focus tree pathway and so on. A lot of what this hopes to touch on is the prewar setbup which I argue is 60 percent of the game in terms of importance. If your prewar development is absolute shit that only exasperate when the actual world war flares up.

You don’t have to agree with me. And in all honesty idc if you do or not. This is my approach to resolving or addressing the Ai in one form or another. Again that is it. If you like Tell me your suggestion I’m sure it will be just as convincing.
 
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MacArthur would never have betrayed his country and he was right that the US should’ve went all the way as Communist China had already intervened anyway so really the US was already at war and should’ve dealt with Communist China while they had the chance

McArthur not only wanted a full fledged invasion of China, but also to use a few nuclear weapons over Chinese and Korean cities if Mao did not surrendered to the UN Forces. That was complete madness for the following reasons:

1) The USSR did not wanted to further escalate their commitment to the conflict as Stalin feared that it could bring the Soviet Union into a war with America, the Commonwealth and France for a region that had little strategical value.

But if McArthur had his way then it would not be a war in Korea, but a war on Chinese land near the border with the Soviet Union that would threaten the URSS itself.

2) Any invasion of China in 1951 would face the same hardships that the Japanese faced in 1937. That country did not have any meaningful railroad or road network so the UN could supply it's forces, in fact after nearly 8 years of resistance against the Japanese and 4 years more of civil war China was poorer and harder to invade than in 1937.

If the Americans wanted a non Communist China their last chance came before 1949. After that the Soviets had nuclear weapons and Mao had firm control over the mainland, so any invasion would have ended in a bloodbath similar to WW2.
 
When I finished reading his speech, I had fresh confirmation that General MacArthur was a demagogue with a political agenda, not the politically impartial military officer that he claimed to be. He was fired for undermining the elected political leadership of his country. He's the man the 'Media Personality' trait was made for.

Again, we should be wary of swallowing US propaganda about their state's resistance to monarchy. The US constitution puts all executive power in the hands of a single man (it has always been a man) and being a family member of a previous office-holder has been a major advantage in gaining that power recently. They may not use the trappings of medieval Christendom, but neither does the DPRK, which is functionally (though not rhetorically) a monarchy. Giving General MacArthur a sceptre and crown is implausible, but it's all too easy to imagine him manipulating the electoral college in order to ensure that he retained permanently the powers that he had once possessed over Japan. Plenty plausible enough for a monarchical US mod.

1. MacArthur was correctly relieved of duty for failing to follow orders of a superior appointed over him. A violation of his commissioning oath.
2. he never ran for president. he said he would accept the Republican nomination if it were offered to him, but he never campaigned, never ran. With Eisenhower already president, he did not run in 56 especially after being relieved of duty.
3. One son of a president becoming president does not make it a dynasty like the DPRK.
4. Given the fact the current occupier is having trouble getting anything done at the moment supports the anti monarchy very well.
5. The US inherited over 500 years of learning democracy from its British roots and continues it to this day. It still surprises me the UK still has a monarch on the throne.
6. Manipulating the electoral college will always be an issue, but so far, the most recent manipulation has resulted in a one term president. In the most recent election, his candidates lost in the districts that gave him the electoral college victory. Looks like it won't repeat itself in 2020. We still have a pretty good system. We are the government because we are a democracy. I am proud of our american propaganda.
 
@Had a dad; You want to talk about old? I own an original 9 map War In Europe, an original Third Reich. I have played the original Jutland. Just how old are you?
was a huge Avalon Hill fan and Strat - o - matic back 79-90... till PC's replaced my gaming. I did own Third Reich too, though mine wasn't at time of release. I'm getting very close to 50 , relee has me by a few
 
you're only 50?
yes there are some older antiques around here than I. I Just hit 3 decades in IT, and finally getting my BS in CS (2 days before I hit 50 in May)
Ofc those that have seen that I've stated more than once that I've been playing computer games since 1972, probably wouldn't have thought a 3 yr old would have had the resources to achieve that back in 72
 
"Otto Assumes Hungarian crown"

" . . . constituent part" - one of those words is redundant

constituent
Dictionary result for constituent
/kənˈstɪtjʊənt/
adjective
1.
being a part of a whole.​

Sorry, I'll get my coat . . .
 

Also just to let ya know. The Immersion is fine and I do appreciate their efforts in expanding the game. But when the problems continue to linger or reside for long periods of time it weighs down the entertainment value quite substantially and often times feels like alot of the bulk is just heaved on the modders to alleviate problems Paradox should feel the obligation to address. Not necessarily on balance. But stuff like faulty AI behavior or low ball implementations on features is defiantly one of those categories where they are REQUIRED to fix.

I give props to modders cause often times they are bringing the effort to at least mitigate some of the more glaring elements. Only for Paradox to shove more issues into the game and only delegate a few months or so to actually coordinate and fix them. That seems pretty dumb to me.

 
Additionally, there are additional arrogant claims from the KR community that "if it wasn't for KR, HOI4 would have been a failure."

I'm pretty sure that most of them have never set foot on the forums here, and refuse to realize that surprise, surprise, people do enjoy playing vanilla.

I did try to tell them about the nice discussions that go on here, but they refused to listen. All they want to do is feel totally and utterly superior.

TL;DR: Great mod, awful community for the most part.
 
Additionally, there are additional arrogant claims from the KR community that "if it wasn't for KR, HOI4 would have been a failure."

I'm pretty sure that most of them have never set foot on the forums here, and refuse to realize that surprise, surprise, people do enjoy playing vanilla.

I did try to tell them about the nice discussions that go on here, but they refused to listen. All they want to do is feel totally and utterly superior.

TL;DR: Great mod, awful community for the most part.
I'm not sure, devs of KR support such claims - they seemed to be nice guys when I used to take part in their Discord discussions.

But, well, fan community is able to spoil image of anything.