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HoI4 Dev Diary - France Rework

Bonjour! Today we will be talking about the upcoming rework of the French focus tree. At this point in development, not all the art is in, so some of the things you’ll see are still work in progress.

We are well aware that the France Focus Tree currently in the game is perhaps not the worst of the remaining vanilla trees, but we believe that reworking France allows us to better integrate some of the new features coming in the upcoming DLC. For that reason we have decided to split “the French Experience” (™ pending) across three weeks. Today we cover the base tree, next week we will be looking at the reowrk of the resistance and occupation system, and in two weeks we return to take a look at Free France and Vichy.

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While the basic French Focus Tree was good, we wanted to improve on it a bit. Specifically, a France that survived past about 1941 would find itself entirely out of focuses, so the new focus tree would have to be deeper. In addition, we wanted to have a more accurate representation of the many issues that impacted French policy-making in the period, and to have decisions you make come back to haunt you (“Short-term solutions cause long-term problems”).

We also wanted to give proper representation to the unusual state of affairs that existed between the Vichy government and the Fighting French under de Gaulle, but you’ll have to wait for a bit longer to see just what we have in store for them.

The French tree as it is currently in the game represents fairly well what has become the unofficial focus tree design philosophy: Separate branches for industry, the armed forces, politics and alternate ideologies. So the base structure should still look familiar.

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The Industry branch has been expanded by a system that I, in all humility, consider to be pretty clever: the “Invest in…” focuses give you building slots in a number of states in the area, with later focuses adding factories into each of the states previously invested in. That means the longer you wait in pulling the trigger on the Colonial/Civilian/Military Industry focuses, the bigger the payoff - but it comes later in the game. If you take all the investment focuses, you can get a whopping 18 civilian factories and 14 military factories in just three focuses (numbers are, of course, absolutely, 100%, final and won’t ever be changed for any reason).

In the political sphere, we decided not to introduce a fully new gameplay mechanic for France when we already have a perfectly functional stability and war support system that works fairly well in representing the internal politics of the Third Republic. To put it simply, you will have to tread a narrow line between raising your stability by lowering your war support and raising your war support by lowering your stability. Should your stability drop below 25% for too long, a civil war breaks out. To make matters worse, you have to contend with far-right and far-left groups taking to the streets in anger if you make decisions that they disagree with, potentially lowering your stability even further. You can ban these groups - at a stability penalty depending on their relative popularity, which might be difficult to recover from.

The threat of civil war is removed when you go to war with another country, and the political violence stops if you can get stability above 70% but it returns if stability drops below 50% without political action being taken to remove the causes.

And if all that wasn’t enough, France suffers from rather significant issues with manpower. The gruelling losses of the Great War had demographic effects down the line - fewer Frenchmen meaning fewer children being born, meaning fewer men reaching military age some 20 years after the war ended. This is represented by a national spirit reducing your recruitable population factor. Simply increasing your recruitment laws won’t save you, since you are now pulling workers away from their workbenches, causing a severe production penalty. You will have different ways of dealing with this issue, but expanding the citizenship and encouraging immigration might not be welcomed by everyone (the timescale of the game means you can’t make up the shortfall through new family policies).

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In better news, France will have a slightly bigger industrial base to play with to balance out these factors. The new diplomacy branch will also allow you to not just invite countries to the Little Entente, but to also invest in them and grant them some military factories, and later invite Britain and the Commonwealth to join your faction. It also allows you to exchange guarantees with the Soviets, or try to form a common faction with Italy. The so-called Stresa Front was already pretty much over and done in 1936, due to differences in opinion between Britain, France and Italy about the Italian-Ethopian border (mostly because Italy believed it shouldn’t exist). To revive that alliance, you’ll have to make some concessions and hand over some territory to Italy. If you can convince Britain to back you, it will make Italy even more likely to join you.

All ideologies get the option to intervene in the Spanish Civil War, but as you might expect for such a historically contentious topic, it comes with a stability penalty, which, in the worst case, can tip you over the edge into your own civil war.

Should you, for reasons passing understanding, not want to experience the historically accurate French experience, we have greatly deepened the alt-history focus trees. Starting with the formation of the Popular Front under Leon Blum (no relation), you can choose to invite the communists to the government (instead of simply having them tolerate you). From there you go on to implement more of the communist agenda, such as legal equality for women, economic centralization and propaganda to prepare the population for the inevitable revolution (we are, after all, talking about France). After you have forced the issue by essentially breaking up the temporary alliance with more moderate forces and having communists take power directly.

After the revolution you essentially have three choices: You can either dial back the revolutionary vigor and try to reconcile with the rest of the country to pursue a broad-front approach to fighting fascism, or you can double down and decide to spread the revolution by any means necessary. Some of the stuff in this tree dips into some new mechanics which aren’t quite ready yet.

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On the other side of the tree, you can either opt for a more conservative approach in the 1936 parliamentary elections, making Pierre Laval the Prime Minister of France. Much like with the Popular Front, you can stay democratic and reform the country with a more market-liberal approach, or you can forge an alliance with the far-right elements and topple the republican government to start the “National Regeneration”, imagined as a less radical version of the National Revolution attempted by the Vichy government. Once the disgustingly republican form of government is removed, you can choose between two main branches.

One, under Francois de la Rocque, has you form a Latin Entente with Spain, Portugal and Italy and later split up Africa into zones of control, with France taking most of the west and Italy taking the east of the continent. With de la Rocque representing a more independent version of an authoritarian France (whether or not he was a bona-fide fascist can certainly be debated, that he has the kind of military background and authoritarian mindset that other fascists had is, I believe, less controversial), the other branch is lead by Jacques Doriot, and entails coming to an understanding with fascist Germany. After agreeing to split the low countries between you and joining the axis, you can put some pressure on Belgium. You can either anschluss Wallonia or force the entirety of Belgium to become your puppet. Once this is accomplished, you remind them that puppets don’t get to have colonial territories right next to their master’s. Beyond this, you mostly tag along with the German strategy by opening up a second front in North Africa.

Finally, there are the Monarchists. French monarchism at the time was closely related to the political far-right (being anti-republican made the idea of a monarchy a logical rallying point), so it makes sense that they spin off from the reactionary branch. The idea behind this branch is that the continued political turmoil in the Republic, represented by continuously low stability (you have to be below 35% stability to take the first focus) has so disillusioned people that the time has come for a return to the kind of stable leadership a monarch provides. As such, you don’t immediately select a king - you first create the groundwork for a return to the monarchy by repealing the Law of Exile (which banned any pretender to the throne, or their heir, from setting foot on French soil) before picking one of three candidates (because having only one pretender is for the Boche!).

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The Orleanist candidate was perhaps the most moderate of the pretenders, ruling largely along the lines of a constitutional monarchy. As such, you focus heavily on social welfare and containing fascism - ironically, one of the first acts is to inform the arch-reactionary Action Francaise that they have served their purpose and will now no longer be needed. On the other end, the Bonapartist candidate has an ambitious program of reshuffling the borders of Europe and restore the family name. In the middle between the two are the Legitimists, which is a faction that split from the Orleanists in 1830 and which maintains that the Orleanist heir is not, in fact, the legitimate pretender to the throne. Through a number of dynastic events, the legitimate pretender to the throne of France, according to the Legitimists, is none other than the previously deposed King of Spain. As such, the obvious goal is to restore both his crowns to him, and potentially unite the two realms of France and Spain into a double monarchy (because that worked out so well for Austria-Hungary and Denmark-Norway).

Since the current French focus tree already has some (short) alternate ideology branches, these old branches will still be present if you don’t have the DLC, and replace the branches starting with “Invite Communist Ministers” and “Utilize the Leagues”, respectively.

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Finally, we also spent some time making sure France has the full lineup of design companies and some options in terms of naval designers.

That’s all for today. Next week we will talk about the rework of the Resistance and Occupation system coming with 1.8!
 
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Disunite germany, all bismarck and hitler fanboys get salty, smth we needed but not deserved.
 
Disunite germany, all bismarck and hitler fanboys get salty, smth we needed but not deserved.
I like Bismarck, but despise Hitler... why... just why?
 
No, since it's not some hard cap on manpower, just economic penalties for conscripting people out of the economy. Just like right now, conscription wouldn't be free, it would just be better for minor nations since the penalties would scale with the amount actually deployed. That way you have to think about the number of divisions you deploy, but the penalties aren't as harsh unless you use up all available manpower at a certain level of conscription.
Makes sense. My apologies.
 
So fixing demographic issues in a few years is unrealistic but suddenly collapsing to a monarchy is a "realistic" option?

Well we are talking about France who went through 4 republics in like... 200 years. with few kingdoms and couple of Empires in between those republics. And we almost did have a Soviet Republic on the list too depending how the history would had went.
 
So fixing demographic issues in a few years is unrealistic but suddenly collapsing to a monarchy is a "realistic" option?
Actually with Communism and Democracy constantly going at each other destabilizing France it makes sense that the people may look to ideologies on the right side that seem to be more likely to offer stability, and then that’s where monarchism comes back (I know it is still a slight stretch, but it is still fairly logical).
 
So fixing demographic issues in a few years is unrealistic but suddenly collapsing to a monarchy is a "realistic" option?
One is a political move the other is biology. Even if all women would do nothing but pump out babies all day (not considering the economic damage that would cause), you would only be able to harvest that in 1954 when the 1936 born ones reach the age of 18, that this would result in a situation where there are way too many recruits in comparison to NCOs, Officers is another issue.

If they ever extend the game into the 1950s and early 1960s yes than it would make sense to have some form of family laws but currently it doesn't make sense, the game is supposed to end 1944/1945.
 
I just hope the next DLC expands on the man the gusn DLC of being able to customise your equipment. I'd love to be able to customize planes and tanks / armor cars ect the way we can do it to boats.

It's hard to imagine this actually functioning meaningfully in any way considering that planes and tanks are just an aggregate of stats rather than individual entities engaged in combat like ships are. Don't count on it.
 
Perhaps this will finally be the expansion in which we get a Portuguese focus tree and, better yet, Salazar is finally correctly classified as a fascist. Franco is classified as a fascist and Spain also stayed neutral throughout World War II, thereby Portugal should also be classified as a fascist.
 
What about Édouard Daladier's repeal of many of the Blum-era labor reforms to prepare for war? Is that historical path going to be through decisions, new focuses, or are you simply going to limit focuses that can be done based on who's the PM?
 
It's hard to imagine this actually functioning meaningfully in any way considering that planes and tanks are just an aggregate of stats rather than individual entities engaged in combat like ships are. Don't count on it.

The Devs have been considering a tank and plane designer since the ship designer's implementation and we technically already have one with the stat increases by spending XP to just upgrade 4 attributes. I'd rather have a proper designer, even if the main options are improved engines, differing guns to change the intended role (i.e. anti-tank, anti-air and propelled artillery for tanks, rockets or machine guns for the planes) and different armour, which makes me feel more like I am making choices with my production compared with just increasing 4 numbers. Hell, id also like spotlight and radar planes which were used in the war, if in part to help counter the sub 3's as both were used to hunt German U-boats.
 
in two weeks we return to take a look at Free France and Vichy.

Intriguing :cool: A better representation of Vichy in the game would definitely be a good thing, although also appreciate it's pretty tricky - good luck, am sure you'll come up with something quality :).
The concept of popularity of Vichy's Pétain and Free France's De Gaulle might help :
- 1940 : Pétain is liked as the Victor of Verdun and the one who can stop the sufferings of the war while de Gaulle is rather unknown,
- 1941-1944 : Vichy's radical policy and collaboration is getting increasingly hated while de Gaulle is more and more known and liked, the Allies earn more victories and the French Resistance is more and more numerous and organized.

I don't know how it could be implemented though.

Well we are talking about France who went through 4 republics in like... 200 years. with few kingdoms and couple of Empires in between those republics.
Those '200' years could also be seen as the democratic establishment of a Republic from 1789 on, interrupted :
- twice by Empires after a coup d'Etat (by Bonaparte then Napoleon III)
- and twice by the restoration of the monarchy decided by a Coalition of foreign countries after having defeated Napoleon 1st.

Each time, the monarchy ended with a Revolution.

Moreover, the Royalist Action française (condemned by the pope) participates in the grave anti-parliamentarist riot on 6 feb. 1934

Thus you can understand that the idea of a French monarchy seen as a 'stable leadership' and freely chosen by the French, as stated below, might surprise some ppl :) :

The idea behind this branch is that the continued political turmoil in the Republic, represented by continuously low stability (...) has so disillusioned people that the time has come for a return to the kind of stable leadership a monarch provides.

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De Gaulle said as a witticism that the current 5th Republic was the more 'monarchical' regime French ppl could bear (as the 5th Republic increased the power of President of the Republic, compared to 4th one) :).
 
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De Gaulle is said to have stated that the current 5th Republic is the more monarchical regime French ppl can bear :).

As a french I must agree that compared to every other democratic nation I know, France is the most monarchist one with the 5th republic.
We may have decapitated our king, but "thanks " to De Gaulle, we are electing every five years a new king with abnormaly huge powers (see the 16th article of the constitution). The election of the parliament is like one month after the president, so the majority is bound to him and is here to apply his will.

So I realy don't find strange to have monarchist path in the game : the french were monarchist enough to accept the 5th republic, so having a "real" monarchy is not far fetched.

It would be even cool to have in the De Gaulle path for Free France an option to get the constitution (the current monarchist one) just after the liberation ( historicaly de gaulle failed to get it after the war and had to wait for a military coup one decade later to have it)
 
Can Paradox please update the French tank names and models?

The SARL42 is not what France would use if it survived past '41! Feel free to invent something ahistorical. Just not that... Thing! ;)
 
I like Bismarck, but despise Hitler... why... just why?
Oh i'm sorry, I was mean 'OR', my bad (you don't need to "be fanboy" both of them to "get salty about 'disunite germany focus'). (if you ask about my poltical view, then despite having difference in ideology, they have some commons for example unite germany and hostility towards poles. From my perspective as a pole (which of course may be very bad when it comes to conclusion) Bismarck is a "demo of hitler" or "pre-hitler". Also i believe if (austria back then don't have czechoslovakia and hungary) & (not considered as a great power), then anschluss would happen in 1871)
 
I like a lot of this, but I kind of worry that while we get a lot of choices, they are mostly around foreign policy and they’re very short trees. And I appreciate multiple options for the communist paths but communist paths are very weak so far (I appreciate a lot of England’s but there is no communist version of decolonization which is weird and post revolution the unions are irrelevant) in Hoi so I think France’s should be stronger when they’re the country with the most potential to become communist.
 
So excited by this. The only things lacking are maybe diplomatic focuses for Monarchists paths as mentionned before, and the Naval and Air paths that seems not really finished.

Can't wait to see what will be the possiblities for Vichy / Free France.

I can imagine having the choice as Vichy France to go full collaboration officialy entering the Axis and declaring war to the UK and US, full resistance like the Manchuria n tree and with the new resistance mechanics, or something along the line of 'The Sword and the Shield' theory, trying to defend France but not collaborating fully and trying to reach out to DeGaulle.

I hope with the Free France Tree you'll have the opportunity to keep De Gaulle or to put Giraud into power, as it could have happpened in our reality.

Anyway, really hyped for all this. Good job on this tree!

They had no need or desire to reach out to De Gaulle. Your avatar, Darlan, was going to be tapped to lead France. Giraud came after Darlan's assassination and never stood as much of a chance, but it would be nice to see an option for him too.

One of the Paradoxes of de Gaulle is that politically, he actually appealed to the same kind of people who approved of the political sympathies of the Vichy regime and most of those people later became his supporters after the war.
 
They had no need or desire to reach out to De Gaulle. Your avatar, Darlan, was going to be tapped to lead France. Giraud came after Darlan's assassination and never stood as much of a chance, but it would be nice to see an option for him too.

One of the Paradoxes of de Gaulle is that politically, he actually appealed to the same kind of people who approved of the political sympathies of the Vichy regime and most of those people later became his supporters after the war.
While De Gaulle ended up being representative of the whole French resistance which was united through his efforts with the Socialists and Communists, Darlan and Giraud were a lot closer to Vichy, Giraud managed to be recognised by ex-Vichy members of the resistance. If Giraud was favoured by the US it is because he was seen as more easy to manipulate and less radical than De Gaulle. The US by the way had originally plans to occupy France after the Liberation, which De Gaulle refused, but I suppose it could be an alternate history path for the US to impose those.