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HoI4 Dev Diary - France Rework

Bonjour! Today we will be talking about the upcoming rework of the French focus tree. At this point in development, not all the art is in, so some of the things you’ll see are still work in progress.

We are well aware that the France Focus Tree currently in the game is perhaps not the worst of the remaining vanilla trees, but we believe that reworking France allows us to better integrate some of the new features coming in the upcoming DLC. For that reason we have decided to split “the French Experience” (™ pending) across three weeks. Today we cover the base tree, next week we will be looking at the reowrk of the resistance and occupation system, and in two weeks we return to take a look at Free France and Vichy.

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While the basic French Focus Tree was good, we wanted to improve on it a bit. Specifically, a France that survived past about 1941 would find itself entirely out of focuses, so the new focus tree would have to be deeper. In addition, we wanted to have a more accurate representation of the many issues that impacted French policy-making in the period, and to have decisions you make come back to haunt you (“Short-term solutions cause long-term problems”).

We also wanted to give proper representation to the unusual state of affairs that existed between the Vichy government and the Fighting French under de Gaulle, but you’ll have to wait for a bit longer to see just what we have in store for them.

The French tree as it is currently in the game represents fairly well what has become the unofficial focus tree design philosophy: Separate branches for industry, the armed forces, politics and alternate ideologies. So the base structure should still look familiar.

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The Industry branch has been expanded by a system that I, in all humility, consider to be pretty clever: the “Invest in…” focuses give you building slots in a number of states in the area, with later focuses adding factories into each of the states previously invested in. That means the longer you wait in pulling the trigger on the Colonial/Civilian/Military Industry focuses, the bigger the payoff - but it comes later in the game. If you take all the investment focuses, you can get a whopping 18 civilian factories and 14 military factories in just three focuses (numbers are, of course, absolutely, 100%, final and won’t ever be changed for any reason).

In the political sphere, we decided not to introduce a fully new gameplay mechanic for France when we already have a perfectly functional stability and war support system that works fairly well in representing the internal politics of the Third Republic. To put it simply, you will have to tread a narrow line between raising your stability by lowering your war support and raising your war support by lowering your stability. Should your stability drop below 25% for too long, a civil war breaks out. To make matters worse, you have to contend with far-right and far-left groups taking to the streets in anger if you make decisions that they disagree with, potentially lowering your stability even further. You can ban these groups - at a stability penalty depending on their relative popularity, which might be difficult to recover from.

The threat of civil war is removed when you go to war with another country, and the political violence stops if you can get stability above 70% but it returns if stability drops below 50% without political action being taken to remove the causes.

And if all that wasn’t enough, France suffers from rather significant issues with manpower. The gruelling losses of the Great War had demographic effects down the line - fewer Frenchmen meaning fewer children being born, meaning fewer men reaching military age some 20 years after the war ended. This is represented by a national spirit reducing your recruitable population factor. Simply increasing your recruitment laws won’t save you, since you are now pulling workers away from their workbenches, causing a severe production penalty. You will have different ways of dealing with this issue, but expanding the citizenship and encouraging immigration might not be welcomed by everyone (the timescale of the game means you can’t make up the shortfall through new family policies).

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In better news, France will have a slightly bigger industrial base to play with to balance out these factors. The new diplomacy branch will also allow you to not just invite countries to the Little Entente, but to also invest in them and grant them some military factories, and later invite Britain and the Commonwealth to join your faction. It also allows you to exchange guarantees with the Soviets, or try to form a common faction with Italy. The so-called Stresa Front was already pretty much over and done in 1936, due to differences in opinion between Britain, France and Italy about the Italian-Ethopian border (mostly because Italy believed it shouldn’t exist). To revive that alliance, you’ll have to make some concessions and hand over some territory to Italy. If you can convince Britain to back you, it will make Italy even more likely to join you.

All ideologies get the option to intervene in the Spanish Civil War, but as you might expect for such a historically contentious topic, it comes with a stability penalty, which, in the worst case, can tip you over the edge into your own civil war.

Should you, for reasons passing understanding, not want to experience the historically accurate French experience, we have greatly deepened the alt-history focus trees. Starting with the formation of the Popular Front under Leon Blum (no relation), you can choose to invite the communists to the government (instead of simply having them tolerate you). From there you go on to implement more of the communist agenda, such as legal equality for women, economic centralization and propaganda to prepare the population for the inevitable revolution (we are, after all, talking about France). After you have forced the issue by essentially breaking up the temporary alliance with more moderate forces and having communists take power directly.

After the revolution you essentially have three choices: You can either dial back the revolutionary vigor and try to reconcile with the rest of the country to pursue a broad-front approach to fighting fascism, or you can double down and decide to spread the revolution by any means necessary. Some of the stuff in this tree dips into some new mechanics which aren’t quite ready yet.

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On the other side of the tree, you can either opt for a more conservative approach in the 1936 parliamentary elections, making Pierre Laval the Prime Minister of France. Much like with the Popular Front, you can stay democratic and reform the country with a more market-liberal approach, or you can forge an alliance with the far-right elements and topple the republican government to start the “National Regeneration”, imagined as a less radical version of the National Revolution attempted by the Vichy government. Once the disgustingly republican form of government is removed, you can choose between two main branches.

One, under Francois de la Rocque, has you form a Latin Entente with Spain, Portugal and Italy and later split up Africa into zones of control, with France taking most of the west and Italy taking the east of the continent. With de la Rocque representing a more independent version of an authoritarian France (whether or not he was a bona-fide fascist can certainly be debated, that he has the kind of military background and authoritarian mindset that other fascists had is, I believe, less controversial), the other branch is lead by Jacques Doriot, and entails coming to an understanding with fascist Germany. After agreeing to split the low countries between you and joining the axis, you can put some pressure on Belgium. You can either anschluss Wallonia or force the entirety of Belgium to become your puppet. Once this is accomplished, you remind them that puppets don’t get to have colonial territories right next to their master’s. Beyond this, you mostly tag along with the German strategy by opening up a second front in North Africa.

Finally, there are the Monarchists. French monarchism at the time was closely related to the political far-right (being anti-republican made the idea of a monarchy a logical rallying point), so it makes sense that they spin off from the reactionary branch. The idea behind this branch is that the continued political turmoil in the Republic, represented by continuously low stability (you have to be below 35% stability to take the first focus) has so disillusioned people that the time has come for a return to the kind of stable leadership a monarch provides. As such, you don’t immediately select a king - you first create the groundwork for a return to the monarchy by repealing the Law of Exile (which banned any pretender to the throne, or their heir, from setting foot on French soil) before picking one of three candidates (because having only one pretender is for the Boche!).

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The Orleanist candidate was perhaps the most moderate of the pretenders, ruling largely along the lines of a constitutional monarchy. As such, you focus heavily on social welfare and containing fascism - ironically, one of the first acts is to inform the arch-reactionary Action Francaise that they have served their purpose and will now no longer be needed. On the other end, the Bonapartist candidate has an ambitious program of reshuffling the borders of Europe and restore the family name. In the middle between the two are the Legitimists, which is a faction that split from the Orleanists in 1830 and which maintains that the Orleanist heir is not, in fact, the legitimate pretender to the throne. Through a number of dynastic events, the legitimate pretender to the throne of France, according to the Legitimists, is none other than the previously deposed King of Spain. As such, the obvious goal is to restore both his crowns to him, and potentially unite the two realms of France and Spain into a double monarchy (because that worked out so well for Austria-Hungary and Denmark-Norway).

Since the current French focus tree already has some (short) alternate ideology branches, these old branches will still be present if you don’t have the DLC, and replace the branches starting with “Invite Communist Ministers” and “Utilize the Leagues”, respectively.

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Finally, we also spent some time making sure France has the full lineup of design companies and some options in terms of naval designers.

That’s all for today. Next week we will talk about the rework of the Resistance and Occupation system coming with 1.8!
 
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I like a lot of this, but I kind of worry that while we get a lot of choices, they are mostly around foreign policy and they’re very short trees. And I appreciate multiple options for the communist paths but communist paths are very weak so far (I appreciate a lot of England’s but there is no communist version of decolonization which is weird and post revolution the unions are irrelevant) in Hoi so I think France’s should be stronger when they’re the country with the most potential to become communist.
Same thing worries me regarding Monarchies paths, i really hope there will be more stuff added to Legitimists regarding their foreign policy and Third Empire only has war goals and nothing else, maybe we will get some extra stuff in decisions instead.
 
So I realy don't find strange to have monarchist path in the game : the french were monarchist enough to accept the 5th republic, so having a "real" monarchy is not far fetched.

You need to add a little bit of context here. The Constitution was accepted because it was advertised as the only way to solve the situation in Algeria.



On something totally different, I hope De Gaulle won't be the starting leader of the Free France, as he replaced Giraud (and Darlan) only after 1942. And we could have a choice as Free France to choose playing with Giraud (pro-USA) and De Gaulle (independent).
 
USSR should be next. By the way I have a marvelous idea for immersive german rework. So I have played german campaining lately and when i was doing a Oppose Hitler i thought. Why not to give the Waffen SS some flavour with it. It is assured that they would suport nazi goverment. So maybe something like this. Himmler assasinates hiter and simply takes the power of the "Real Germany" with it's own focus tree to make an even more evil and wicked German Reich called "Ordenstadt Germania" or something like that with Waffen SS as Leader of Germany and with some crazy occultist stuff. The Focus Tree should revolve around Scandinavian Countries and primaly "Germanic" states of Europe. Like Austria Switzerland, Netherland and parts of Belgium to creat german super state with all states mentioned above and have claims on Burgundy in France where Himmler was said to have "his" state after the war. With waffen ss roaming around. I think this should be fun.


in part I would agree with you and it would not be bad to add some small branch related to the SS in the German tree as they do a lot of mods that would give suppression bonuses or some kind of spirit etc ... as there is in the Soviet tree on nkvd
 
On something totally different, I hope De Gaulle won't be the starting leader of the Free France, as he replaced Giraud only after 1942. And we could have a choice as Free France to choose playing with Giraud (pro-USA) and De Gaulle (independent).
Depends on the date, De Gaulle lead the Conseil de défense de l'Empire in 1940, and then the Comité national français 1941-1943.
 
Depends on the date, De Gaulle lead the Conseil de défense de l'Empire in 1940, and then the Comité national français 1941-1943.

In both cases, De Gaulle was leading more of a government in exile rather than a country that can have a national focus. On the other hand, the Haut Commissariat de France en Afrique, and then the Commandement en chef français civil et militaire were managing french North Africa since Operation Torch.
 
In both cases, De Gaulle was leading more of a government in exile rather than a country that can have a national focus. On the other hand, the Haut Commissariat de France en Afrique, and then the Commandement en chef français civil et militaire were managing french North Africa since Operation Torch.
After 1942 yes, but I suppose the resistance will be modelled before that date.
 
Very interesting. I personally really Like playing France. Just wondering why Communist France doesn't need to/can decolonize but both Britain and the Netherlands have to? Will It be a decision or did I just miss it?
 
Very interesting. I personally really Like playing France. Just wondering why Communist France doesn't need to/can decolonize but both Britain and the Netherlands have to? Will It be a decision or did I just miss it?

Perhaps because decolonization wasn't a thing at that time. African delegates in french assembly asked for equality and not for independance. You can read on Lamine Guèye, Léopold Sedar Senghor, Félix Houphouët-Boigny, and even Ferhat Abbas. Separatist movements started only in the 50s (with the exception of Indochina).
 
Perhaps because decolonization wasn't a thing at that time. African delegates in french assembly asked for equality and not for independance. You can read on Lamine Guèye, Léopold Sedar Senghor, Félix Houphouët-Boigny, and even Ferhat Abbas. Separatist movements started only in the 50s (with the exception of Indochina).


In the decade of the 20s there was already a clearly Moroccan nationalist / independence political movement led by Abd el Krim who made a revolution against the French / Spanish colonial occupation of that territory probably in Algeria and in Syria there were also similar movements after II GM although they won't explode until later
 
In the decade of the 20s there was already a clearly Moroccan nationalist / independence political movement led by Abd el Krim

You're right, How can I forgot the Rif War? Well, it's mostly an insurrection inside spanish Morrocco that works pretty well and expand inside french Morrocco, but you're right.

When we're at it, there is also this one "conflict", difficult to describe, during WW1, the Bani-Volta War (mostly around Burkina-Faso) in the french West Africa. Kinda hard to say if it was more anti-conscription, or really separatism.
 
in part I would agree with you and it would not be bad to add some small branch related to the SS in the German tree as they do a lot of mods that would give suppression bonuses or some kind of spirit etc ... as there is in the Soviet tree on nkvd
Not small branch because you would have to defeat Military Junta first because it would be part of the event chains started after oppose hitler event. My plan is to give the second side of the Civil War more flavour which means entire new focus tree not parts in regular german tree. And in the Soviet Focus Tree current actualy it is pointless to go NKVD becuse it was nerfed. Now it is better to go rehabilitated military instead. It is better root and actualy relieve a great purge penalty more. NKVD site is pointles you even don't have their divisions or you don't get a new template. So it has no sense when you go Rehabilitate Military instead your army recovers faster from the GP and it lets you win the war easier.
 
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Can Paradox please update the French tank names and models?

The SARL42 is not what France would use if it survived past '41! Feel free to invent something ahistorical. Just not that... Thing! ;)

There is the Char G1 project
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char_G1
(in french but with pictures) https://www.chars-francais.net/2015/index.php/engins-blindes/chars?task=view&id=689
The most likely choice would have been the renault G1R

And it would be more logical to put the S35 instead of AMC35 for 1939 (originally the AMC35 was for the Belgian army not France), the G1R instead of S35 for 1941 , and a improved G1R instead of SARL42 for 1943, like these pictures coming from a tank magazine (an article on a possible evolution of the G1)

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Actually with Communism and Democracy constantly going at each other destabilizing France it makes sense that the people may look to ideologies on the right side that seem to be more likely to offer stability, and then that’s where monarchism comes back (I know it is still a slight stretch, but it is still fairly logical).
Not to be too harsh, but the notion that "Communism and Democracy [were] constantly going at each other destabilizing France" during this period is ridiculously ahistorical. It's true that the Communist Parties were rather hostile to the liberal-democratic states such as France between 1928 and 1935 -- during the Comintern's "third period" -- but in 1935 they changed their orientation entirely towards the popular front. This meant that the Communist Parties were to cooperate both with the social democrats and with "progressive bourgeois forces" and whatnot -- i.e. those liberals more sympathetic to the aims of the workers' movement and antifascism. This change in orientation was spurred in large part by the rise of Hitler in Germany, and the failure of the KPD and SPD to cooperate in the interest of defeating German fascism, among other things. This is famously exemplified in how the Communist Party of Spain subordinated their programme to the needs of the Republican forces during the civil war, and those communist and anarchist elements that wished to carry the revolution forward into socialism -- primarily the POUM and the CNT-FAI, which up until that point had participated in the Popular Front -- were actually killed by Soviet agents.

In France, this is less dramatically but no less significantly exemplified in the Popular Front government of Léon Blum, which brought together Socialists and Radicals (i.e. left-liberals) into a cabinet that had Communist support. This is significant. Up until 1935, the very notion of supporting a bourgeois government was frequently enough to get one expelled from their party (during the '20s the Comintern experimented with joint Communist-social democratic governments, but supporting a government with liberals in it was a complete no-go). Attempting to take power and institute a workers' republic, even during a potentially revolutionary period, was seen as "ultraleftist," because the Comintern decided that forming alliances with all "progressive"/"democratic" forces to defeat fascism was the utmost priority.

Anyway, in the final case I don't think that it's too unreasonable for France to have monarchist paths. It's far more plausible than the reformation of Austria-Hungary or Trotskyist Mexico.
 
Same thing worries me regarding Monarchies paths, i really hope there will be more stuff added to Legitimists regarding their foreign policy and Third Empire only has war goals and nothing else, maybe we will get some extra stuff in decisions instead.

How about these domestic additions? (currently Orleanist/Bonapartist have 6, while Legitimist has 3)

Legitimist:
  • Unite the Basques (only if "2 Countries, 2 Crowns" is chosen, gain core on Navarre)
  • Monastic restoration (-3% recruitable population, +15% stability, +3% population growth)
  • Agrarian priority (infrastructure and civilian factories in southern/western provinces)
  • Integration of colonies (+15% bonus to actions that decrease autonomy for subjects)
  • Colonial Christians in the Army (+7% recruitable non-core population)
  • Eldest Daughter of the Church (+50% opinion of Vatican City, +15% defense against Communist nations)
Orleanist:
  • Civilian Factory Effort (adds free civilian factories, +10% construction speed)
  • Metropolitan Priority (factories and refineries in ille de France)
  • Merchant Marines (dockyards and -10% convoy/destroyer production costs)
Bonapartist:
  • Elan (+10% recovery rate, +10% attack)
  • Military Factory effort (adds free military factories, +10% conversion speed)
  • Tank priority (-10% tank production cost)
 
Bonapartist:
  • Elan (+10% recovery rate, +10% attack)
  • Military Factory effort (adds free military factories, +10% conversion speed)
  • Tank priority (-10% tank production cost)
Perhaps add in some bonus to artillery as well, as a nod to the Napoleon I's early career ;)
 
after all that time, we got a rework!
i'm guessing you don't have the -0.8 PP/day anymore, but you have to balance the warsupport and stability instead

it will take quite some time to get the 4th and 5th research slots, but i'm not too sure on how the focus work until it comes out.

not too sure on how concessions to Italy would work out, they didn't claim french land , but on other countries...

it'll take like 2-3 playthroughs to try thses new options
 
You're right, How can I forgot the Rif War? Well, it's mostly an insurrection inside spanish Morrocco that works pretty well and expand inside french Morrocco, but you're right.

When we're at it, there is also this one "conflict", difficult to describe, during WW1, the Bani-Volta War (mostly around Burkina-Faso) in the french West Africa. Kinda hard to say if it was more anti-conscription, or really separatism.

I think the Moroccan revolt has clear connotations and an indication of nationalist / independent tendencies similar to the cases of indonchina or algeria that simply to avoid being recruited