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Hi everyone and welcome to the last dev diary before Waking the Tiger releases tomorrow! We are so hyped and kinda wish we could release it already, but sadly tomorrow it is ;D Basically everything has now been covered in diaries, but if you want a reminder, check out the Patch log or the massive recap dev diary or any of the other 28 dev diaries for Waking the Tiger.

Since tomorrow is also International Women’s Day, and it's going to be extremely busy with the release, we felt today could be a cool day to highlight some of the ways we are featuring womenfolk in Waking the Tiger. For the high level country running perspective HOI4 takes on play, where only high generals and such are portrayed, there aren't a lot of women historically (hello 1930s), so we try to make an extra effort when we have a plausible candidate or historical references to women’s impact on the war.

Oh, and before I hand over to the content designers, we have a special gift from our awesome artist, something she has been working on in her spare time for the game: a new loading screen (as part of the free Cornflakes Update) featuring female russian snipers. You can grab it now as a wallpaper too:

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If you want to learn more on female snipers in the soviet army this is a good place to start on wikipedia.

Soong Mei-Ling:
As the wife of the Chinese Leader Chiang Kai-Shek, Mei-Ling served as a trusted advisor for him. Perhaps even more importantly, she was the the main driving force behind the Chinese efforts to gain the support of the United States. It was she who negotiated with Claire Chennault to hire him as a special advisor to build up the Chinese Air Force. Later, she was only the second woman - and the first Chinese citizen - to address both houses of the US congress, again imploring them to send more aid to China in its fight against the Japanese.
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In the game, she is a special advisor to China with a - for now - unique trait called “First Lady”, which gives +5% stability and war support, representing her extensive work to help her husband and sponsor several relief organisations. Having her as an advisor will also make the US more likely to take decisions like sending the Flying Tigers or sending lend-lease equipment.

Yoshiko Kawashima:
Yoshiko’s life story sounds almost a little too fantastic: Born as a princess into the clan of the Chinese Emperor, she was given up for adoption after the revolution - and taken in by a Japanese intelligence agent.

As a young adult, Yoshiko moved around China and Manchuria on various intelligence gathering missions - taking lovers and making enemies along the way. The Japanese later came to use her contacts to old Manchu nobility - and indeed her ancestry - to convince Puyi to become the Emperor of Manchukuo.

After Puyi accepted his new position, Yoshiko decided to raise a cavalry unit to fight the “bandits” (some criminals and some various brands of Communist guerillas) roaming the countryside. Eventually, she came to command several thousand soldiers. Later on, she became quite critical of the Japanese conduct in Manchukuo and was gradually removed from public sight.
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Her end was, if tragic, not particularly unexpected: Captured in Beijing by Nationalist Chinese forces at the end of the war, she was tried for treason and executed in 1948.

In-game, she is available as a general for Manchukuo, with the trait “cavalry officer” to represent her history as a leader in the pacification campaign.

Women in the workforce
The World War placed a heavy strain on the conscriptable population of the nations involved, resulting in many men being drawn from the workforce to fight on the frontlines. To keep the production lines going, it was only logical to look at the much-untapped other half of the population. Historically, millions of women in countries such as Canada, the UK, and the USA took up the jobs the men had left to join the army. In the game this is modeled as a decision that provides a 3% recruitable population bonus, which makes up for the -3% recruitable population bonus from Total Mobilization.
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Ronnie, the Bren Gun Girl
“Ronnie, the Bren Gun Girl” is the name of the Canadian icon of strong female factory workers during the war. Based on a picture of Veronica Foster who made Bren light machine guns for the John Inglis Co., it became a propaganda icon to encourage Canadian women to work in industry. Almost 1 million Canadian women ended up doing so during the Second World War. As a propaganda tool, Ronnie can be seen as a model for the later and better-known Rosie the Riveter in the USA. In the game, “Ronnie, the Bren Gun Girl” is the flavor name for Canada’s “Women in the Workforce” decision.

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Rosie the Riveter
“Rosie the Riveter” is the name of the well-known American icon of strong female factory workers during the war. Among others, she was depicted on the famous “We Can Do It!” poster, which wasn’t very well-known during the war, but which was revived as a feminist icon in the 1980s. Posters such as these were used to encourage women to take up factory jobs to keep the war industry going. These campaigns were often targeting housewives in an attempt to get them to enter the workforce, with slogans such as “Can you use an electric mixer? If so, you can learn to operate a drill”. In the USA, the amount of working women increased by over 50%, showing that “women could do a ‘man’s job’, and do it well”. This ended up drastically increasing the amount of jobs that were deemed to be ‘acceptable’ for women to take, and therefore was a major influence in the growing emancipation of women during the 20th century. In the game, this is the flavor name for the USA’s “Women in the Workforce” decision.

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And more…
There is one more powerful woman to establish as the ruler of a certain key HOI4 nation, but this requires a long and obscure series of events and actions to take place first… Why not celebrate International Women’s day by trying to find out how to make it happen once you got your hands on Waking the Tiger?

And that’s it for today, folks! Make sure to tune in at 16:00 for World War Wednesday where Dan and Daniel attempt to unite all under heaven as Manchukuo! Tomorrow we will also have a release stream where we continue our campaign.
 

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I think this makes total mobilization worth taking now when playing a small nation with a limited manpower pool
Yeah probably :)

Is it geeting the queen to rule UK? (Also that wallpaper is amazing, you should make it so we can choose wich loading screen you in the main menu!)
its a thing I would love to add, so I expect it to happen. We didnt have time to add screen picking for 1.5. Likely in the future tho!

Something tells me this isn't going to end up well one way or another by the end of the day...
my infraction cannon and ban hammer are fully charged
 
There was mention of better support for female generals in the patchlog, is it possible to generate female officers and generic country leaders in vanilla occasionally? That would be really neat.
We added a setting to be able to set gender on generals created from events and history. We would need to do more to be able to allow it for generated generals. I suspect we will do it some day at least for modders. For base game its a competition in making art vs historical portraits, but may still happen eventually once we got more historical portraits. Will be a cool option for minors in wars and such to get access to more. Historically I think its there women got into higher ranks first.

Krupskaya returns to lead Russia when?
She died in 39 I think, but hey I guess it could mayb be plausible!
 
Um, I apologize for my potential rudeness, but I’m really wondering what happened to the adjusted German-Polish border provinces, so you may misunderstood my post.:(
I totally acknowledge the contributions women made to freedom and peace, and here is probably not a proper place to ask for teases. I am sorry for what I potentially did, it’s not done by purpose, forgive me.
ah, been busy and probably missed stuff. Is this about the post-war borders for poland? what we did in tiger with borders there is allow germany to get its ww1 borders. Polish post-war borders are trickier and require use to redraw a bunch of stuff. I also kinda doubt how often it would happen in a normal play session. but hey we may change it in the future

Also is there any chance that border warfare gets opened up to more areas? I feel like it's a really great system that really simulates a smaller scale warfare. And yet only China and Japan vs Russia have them?
likely in the future if people like it. kinda tied to making content to support it which is why new stuff in next exp etc may include more

@podcat I know this is not exactly the best place to ask but this is probaly the place you keep an eye on right now. I didnt see in the patch notes that you fixed pact of rome, are you awere there is a issue with it or am i blind?
which particular issue? I got thousands of things to keep track of around a release? :D more info!
 
If you are non alinged Hungary Italy insta leave, if your facist Austria insta leave. Making the faction next to useless. Dont think it would be hard to fix.
we fixed several cases where ppl would not stay in factions. but with around 4500 changes during tiger I am not sure if this is on the list or not! let me know tomorrow and if not we can sort it for 1.5.1
 
Of course you're talking about Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands. :D

Her being the first woman to address congress. The first woman to be inducted into the order of the garter besides English royalty since the 15th century and even being described as the only man among the governments in exile by Winston Churcill.

Far be it from me to disagree, being Dutch... However, despite my best efforts, I haven't yet been able to convince @podcat that the NL are a 'key' HOI4 nation :(
 
Are the prerequisites for women in the workforce really fitting though?

Right now, fascists need by far the highest war support and need to have lost some VPs before women can be added to the work-force. And while the "ideal" family as seen by the Nazis consisted of the wife staying home to take care of the household and the children, this isn't really something that had all that much of an impact on how many women were actually part of the workforce. In 1939, women made up 37.3% of the civilian workforce in Germany, while they only made up 26.4% in Great Britain. By 1943, those numbers rose to 48.8% in Germany and 36.4% in Great Britain. So Germany did have a higher percentage of women in the workforce at all times, even before the situation turned so dire that losing the war was imminent.


IIRC, the vast majority of German women in the workforce were employed in the agricultural sector on their family's farms. The low level of mechanisation made this necessary. Do you have a breakdown by sectors of the economy? I could have sworn the Nazis were very adamantly against having women in industry until fairly late in the war (and even then never made as big of a point of it).
 
I like the new artwork, but this is just blatant corporate virtue signaling. I don't think any of this social justice stuff is going to make the game materially a better game.
:D its not about social justice, its about making the game more interesting and highlight historical aspects as far as we are concerned. altho I suspect this discussion would spiral out of control. There is also a certain degree of "rule of cool" with this stuff
 
In honor of women leaders in WW2, here's Madame Soong famously addressing Congress, and being the first Chinese woman to do so!

Thanks for sharing. Being able to see historic footage is one of those things I think is great about WW2 history and we are privileged to have such easy access to the material today.

Womenfolk is a bit of an archaic term but by no means made up. Womenfolk are, well, women. That's all it means.
Yeah sorry, I pick up words I like from old texts and stuff and then I use them no matter what! :D the team made me promise to only use it once in the diary :'(

Is this chance to generate female Generals country specific? Because it makes absolutely no sense that Saudi Arabia and the Soviet Union should have the same chance to generate female generals. Also how high is the chance, since historically speaking there weren't that many female generals in WW2.
I think you misunderstood. We dont have dynamic generated female generals, just scripted ones. It would be cool tho, but would need to tie into laws and big social changes etc. not you flip a switch and suddenly it happens. Some countries like nazi germany I dont see it happening without getting rid of the decisions makers etc. anyways I think its a cool thing, but should be done in a historically realistic way that isnt a silly meme but choices with consequences etc.
 
Ah ok, so any female Generals would be custom made ones gained through decisions and events. Would it be possible to ask how moddable would these events and things like the "Give Himmler field command" decision be?
super moddable. its very easy to do similar things yourself as a modder
 
Guys, I dont give a *** about current american politics and this thread is not for arguing victimhood online. Leave that to tumblr. Lets keep discussion on topic, which is women's historical contribution to war and politics during ww2 and such. Stuff that isnt that much up for debate (although of course PR icons vs real participants are always interesting like with snipers, aces and such)

Just a warning before ppl start moderating again.
 
Is that actually the case ? Define skill in this context. We can see that the female leader has a higher "attack" stat, but Manstein has double the planning and logistic stats. Which will be more important ? And perhaps the higher attack stat just means she is more aggressive or reckless.

Things to think about.

Many of the german leaders actually have comparatively lower levels simply because they have the opportunity to grow a lot more than everyone else due to war and having progression much slower would be boring. as for stats planning and logistics are both important, especially if you want him as a field marshal