Imperator Dev Diary, 2/3/2020

[Denkt]

The only thing I find interesting about the talk of the date system is why it was not held 20 Days ago
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/imperator-dev-diary-1-13-2020-the-future.1307887/​

 

[toxicgrunt]

For America only. Every other nation that speaks English uses DD-MM-YY(YY). It absolutely should not be written as MDY because it is bloody ridiculous. It is also standard to say "The 18th of January", it entirely depends on where you were brought up and what you were exposed to as a child. Your experience as an American is not universal, standard, or the majority.

Nice, I also think it’s only in America too, I wouldn’t force it on anyone, but it also makes sense to write it that way because that is the most common way to communicate the date here. It is also the most official way. APA (Which follows the federal code for regulations), MLA, and Chicago Style research (The three formal styles of publication that matter) all use MM/DD/YYYY. It is quite standard, in fact it is standardized. There is no reason we shouldn’t follow our speech pattern, and there is no reason why I would tell you to use it either.

 

[Denkt]

So sad to see that people seems more interesting in pointless date systems rather than the game itself and even worse in the DD itself

 

[Axis89]

We don't exactly know Alexander's hair colour, but it almost certainly wasn't that blond. Descriptions of "blondish" hair may have even been entirely fictional, given the colour's metaphorical significance. Also, even if we accept the sources that say that as accurate, people in the Meditarranean are (and were) called blond just by having light-brown hair. What's shown in the picture is ludicrous for the region.

I see your point, as many Roman Emperors had the name Flavius, meaning golden head. Now was every Roman emperor blond, or did they mean symbolically golden head. Like they have a golden mind, a mind like a god etc?
I believe most Romans look somewhat similar to Italians of today, more or less. So a few dark blondes, but mostly brown to black hair.

Of course that changes everyones imagination of how Augustus looks like, and Alexander the Great(Who many base their argument to a Roman copy of a Greek mosaic, depicting Alexander defeating Darius. How accurate it is I dont know, but if there is contemporary sources who describe his hair then I would love to read that)

 

[Denkt]

So a few dark blondes, but mostly brown to black hair.

Apply to basically people everywhere, dark hair is more common than blonde everywhere from what I know.

 

[Axis89]

Apply to basically people everywhere, dark hair is more common than blonde everywhere from what I know.

Yes? It is not a flat same everywhere. There are more blondes in Finland, than in Italy, and there is almost no blondes in China, of ethnic Chinese origin, at all.
So it matters how prevalent it is in a population.

 

[Denkt]

Yes? It is not a flat same everywhere. There are more blondes in Finland, than in Italy, and there is almost no blondes in China, of ethnic Chinese origin, at all.
So it matters how prevalent it is in a population.

That is quite a big difference to me.

Even talking about romans is not easy because romans could mean people with roman citizenship which was something everyone eventually got around year 212. Romans living in Italy or just all people with roman citizenship is Obviously different.

 

[Axis89]

That is quite a big difference to me.

Even talking about romans is not easy because romans could mean people with roman citizenship which was something everyone eventually got around year 212. Romans living in Italy or just all people with roman citizenship is Obviously different.

Now youre dodging my point, but I dont think most emperors were blonde Scandinavians, Finns or Germans. and 212 quite late in classical roman history.
If you travel to France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, the Balkans, Greece, Turkey, the Levant, Egypt and northern Africa you will see blondes are less prevalent than in Sweden.
England have some, but how many English emperors do you know of?

Anyways, I want to correct myself on Augustus, and the name Flavius. I was thinking about Filius, which has a completely different meaning(Divi Filius: Divine son).
And there is actually a contemporary description of him which I had forgotten about, it isn't flattering though to Augustus, even though it is later in his life, but Seutonius writes: his hair was slightly curly and inclined to golden.

Sorry for messing up those facts.
The Flavian Dynasty however xD

 

[toxicgrunt]

Yes? It is not a flat same everywhere. There are more blondes in Finland, than in Italy, and there is almost no blondes in China, of ethnic Chinese origin, at all.
So it matters how prevalent it is in a population.

With that, there are many places where blonde hair has plurality not just more than Italy; Scandinavia, Germany, UK, Belarus, Baltic countries, Benelux etc.

 

[Axis89]

With that, there are many places where blonde hair has plurality not just more than Italy; Scandinavia, Germany, UK, Belarus, Baltic countries, Benelux etc.

You mean majority? Please explain as I didnt understand your point, sorry.

My point is that there is a larger percentage of blondes in the Finnish population, than in the Italian. Agree?

 

[Denkt]

With that, there are many places where blonde hair has plurality not just more than Italy; Scandinavia, Germany, UK, Belarus, Baltic countries, Benelux etc.

Can you actually post some source for that claim, I tried to look for hair color and I have not been able to find anything good.

Also knowing hair color % today is not necessarily that helpful since Rome is around 2000 years in the past.

My point is that there is a larger percentage of bloned in the Finnish population, than in the Italian. Agree?

It seems to be correct but I don't have any statistic about it. Blond hair seems uncommon no matter what, which maybe could be a reason why rulers may be depicted as blond while not actually have been so.

 

[toxicgrunt]

You mean majority? Please explain as I didnt understand your point, sorry.

My point is that there is a larger percentage of bloned in the Finnish population, than in the Italian. Agree?

You made a response to someone who said that brown hair was more common everywhere, and you said Finland was more than Italy, I was just adding that there are many countries where Blondes have plurality (Most common hair color, not necessarily over 50%). Yeah I agree just adding to your point.

 

[Axis89]

You made a response to someone who said that brown hair was more common everywhere, and you said Finland was more than Italy, I was just adding that there are many countries where Blondes have plurality (Most common hair color, not necessarily over 50%). Yeah I agree just adding to your point.

Yeah, exactly

 

[Axis89]

Can you actually post some source for that claim, I tried to look for hair color and I have not been able to find anything good.

Also knowing hair color % today is not necessarily that helpful since Rome is around 2000 years in the past.


It seems to be correct but I don't have any statistic about it. Blond hair seems uncommon no matter what, which maybe could be a reason why rulers may be depicted as blond while not actually have been so.

Instead of statistics, how about travel the world and see, seriously, sometimes things are just common sense and as a half Portuguese, half Norwegian I know there is a big difference purely out of travel experience.

 

[Denkt]

Instead of statistics, how about travel the world and see, seriously, sometimes things are just common sense and as a half Portuguese, half Norwegian I know there is a big difference purely out of travel experience.

The problem is you will never see Everything. Only way to be absolutly sure is with math and that don't work on all subjects.

 

[toxicgrunt]

It seems to be correct but I don't have any statistic about it. Blond hair seems uncommon no matter what, which maybe could be a reason why rulers may be depicted as blond while not actually have been so.

Statistics on hair color come from the GWAS

 

[Axis89]

The problem is you will never see Everything. Only way to be absolutly sure is with math and that don't work on all subjects.

But if you cant see everything, then the math is based on?

You are trivializing common sense because you cant see the statistics? This is common sense, in Portugal people have darker complexion than in Norway.
There isnt a hidden city full of blondes which I havent seen, and which corrects the math and supports your claim. I just know, and most people agree. Even Portuguese agree.
And thats just how the world is, see it with your eyes, go have a walk, have a vacation, see it yourself.

 

[Lord Lambert]

it also makes sense to write it that way because that is the most common way to communicate the date here.

"HERE" being the operative word. Your here is not my here, nor is it the majority of English speakers "here"

It is also the most official way.

In America only.

APA (Which follows the federal code for regulations), MLA, and Chicago Style research (The three formal styles of publication that matter) all use MM/DD/YYYY.

APA: American Psychological Association
MLA: Modern Language Association of America
Chicago Style Research (CMOS or Chicago Manual of Style): a style guide for American English
All American. No wonder they use American English! Which still is not the most commonly spoken form of English.

It is quite standard

In America only.

in fact it is standardized.

In America only.

There is no reason we shouldn’t follow our speech pattern,

Feel free to. I merely said it was odd that Arheo, a British person, chose to use the inferior standard that is used in America rather than the superior standard used practically everywhere else.

and there is no reason why I would tell you to use it either.

Nor am I telling you not to use what you like. Again, merely pointing out that it is odd for a Brit to use the inferior date system used in America.

 

[Denkt]

But if you cant see everything, then the math is based on?

Work done by other people, statisticians, government officials and such, people who have the time and skills to do such things.

And thats just how the world is, see it with your eyes, go have a walk, have a vacation, see it yourself.

Don't have time for such things.

"HERE" being the operative word. Your here is not my here, nor is it the majority of English speakers "here"

We are all here on the forum and I hardly speak any language at all nowdays, I write alot more than I speak I would say if someone wonders.​

 

[toxicgrunt]

"HERE" being the operative word. Your here is not my here, nor is it the majority of English speakers "here"


In America only.


APA: American Psychological Association
MLA: Modern Language Association of America
Chicago Style Research (CMOS or Chicago Manual of Style): a style guide for American English
All American. No wonder they use American English! Which still is not the most commonly spoken form of English.


In America only.


In America only.


Feel free to. I merely said it was odd that Arheo, a British person, chose to use the inferior standard that is used in America rather than the superior standard used practically everywhere else.


Nor am I telling you not to use what you like. Again, merely pointing out that it is odd for a Brit to use the inferior date system used in America.

I’m completely aware it’s only in America, I never said Arheo should use it, never mentioned him. I was merely contending your ad-hominem attacks towords the way we chose to write our dates. It’s how I’ve said it all my life, it’s how everyone I’ve known has said it, it’s how I wrote it in undergrad and post grad research, and there is no reason for you to call it “bloody ridiculous” or “inferior”. Americans talk in a slightly different way in many cases, don’t get so worked up over it.