Stellaris Dev Diary #103 - Civic/Ascension Perks Changes and Additions

[Jedi515]

Fleet limit is being overhauled - comparing the new numbers to the current numbers doesn't necessarily hold any water.

Naval capacity isn't capped by having one single planet with one single spaceport, but by having all those anchor modules on starbases (or whatever those are called)... And fleet cap is (according to orcs vs dwarves video) increased each time you research a new ship tech (destroyers-cruisers-battleships), so, while Galactic Force Projection is still relatively strong, it doesn't look like an absolute must (question mark)

 

[Pointyearedgit]

Naval capacity isn't capped by having one single planet with one single spaceport, but by having all those anchor modules on starbases (or whatever those are called)... And fleet cap is (according to orcs vs dwarves video) increased each time you research a new ship tech (destroyers-cruisers-battleships), so, while Galactic Force Projection is still relatively strong, it doesn't look like an absolute must (question mark)

Anchorage is the module name.

Are you sure it is fleet cap and not naval capacity for the new ship techs? It looked like the old X5 +10% capacity line in society (baseline doctrines) now actually boosts fleet cap. They could have different bonuses at different levels ofc.

 

[Jedi515]

Anchorage is the module name.

Are you sure it is fleet cap and not naval capacity for the new ship techs? It looked like the old X5 +10% capacity line in society (baseline doctrines) now actually boosts fleet cap. They could have different bonuses at different levels ofc.

I'm never sure till the 2.0 is out

I only use the info from elves vs dwarves series, so it's never 100% accurate.
Also, it seems like instead of x5 +10% there will be fixed value (like, first tier giving +20 naval cap and so on)
Just consider watching that thingy on one of the paradox youtube channel.

But then again, nothing is final till 2.0 is out.

 

[thedarkendstar]

What population does this 25 gaia world start with.

 

[President Jyrgunkarrd]

Post-Apocalyptic: Your empire was born in the aftermath of a nuclear war that devastated your homeworld. You start on a Tomb World with sparse resources, but your species has the Survivor trait, granting +10 leader lifespan and +70% tomb world habitability.

Oh, give me your lips for just a moment
And my imagination will make that moment live
Give me what you alone can give
A kiss to build a dream on...

 

[Devanor]

What population does this 25 gaia world start with.

I would assume it starts with the usual. It only increases how big and what kind of planet it is.

 

[henzington]

When Wiz showed off Life seeded it was still 8 pops as normal. To be fair, the tile blockers were the wrong type so things could have changed

 

[Devanor]

When Wiz showed off Life seeded it was still 8 pops as normal. To be fair, the tile blockers were the wrong type so things could have changed

Probably hot code.

 

[Puking Panda]

Permanent civics are kinda a dumb concept to begin with. They should just be their own separate category, so your government isn't made permanently less complex/functional because, say, you evolved on the same planet as another species.

I agree, would be cool if you could have maybe like 1 "Origin Civic" when you create your Species and you could have traits like Post-Apocalyptic and Life-Seeded along with Syncretic Evolution/Mechanist atop those you already have and maybe add some extra civics for this as well to make it more well-rounded

 

[Ur-Quan Lord 13]

Naval capacity isn't capped by having one single planet with one single spaceport, but by having all those anchor modules on starbases (or whatever those are called)... And fleet cap is (according to orcs vs dwarves video) increased each time you research a new ship tech (destroyers-cruisers-battleships), so, while Galactic Force Projection is still relatively strong, it doesn't look like an absolute must (question mark)

If naval capacity is overall lower than before (apparently ship upkeep might be going up, so thag would make sense), or base naval capacity is lower but there are more multipliers, then galactic force projection might be just as strong as before. We don't know yet.

I agree, would be cool if you could have maybe like 1 "Origin Civic" when you create your Species and you could have traits like Post-Apocalyptic and Life-Seeded along with Syncretic Evolution/Mechanist atop those you already have and maybe add some extra civics for this as well to make it more well-rounded

And then, one of the origin civics could be Governmental Flexibility. Where your planet has had so many different governments combining and splitting, or whatever, that they're especially adept at running any arbitrarily organized empire. Effect: +1 government civic slot

And then you can just headcanon that right now, most species are that way... Unless they've had an overarching severe xenophobia, or a second species, or a Gaia planet, or a planet-destroying war, or a desire to consume all matter, or a separate directive in their code, to stabilize them or remove that flexibility

 

[Incompetent]

And then, one of the origin civics could be Governmental Flexibility. Where your planet has had so many different governments combining and splitting, or whatever, that they're especially adept at running any arbitrarily organized empire. Effect: +1 government civic slot

Lol yep, this is functionally how it is now. The baseline is one Origin Story and one Civic, it's just that most regular empires choose 'Flexibility' as their Origin Story, which gives them an extra slot.

I think the suggestion though is that we change to a system where every empire gets:
One Origin Story (not part of your Government in any way, can never be changed)
2 Civic slots (+1 with technology) and one Authority Type (these make up your 'Government' and can be reformed later)

Then the different Origin Stories would be balanced against each other, rather than against Civics. There might be some boring default 'Blank Slate' option, but the others would be interesting enough that you'd rarely pick it.

Nope, but you can play as Fanatic Purifiers, and use Armageddon Bombing to turn a world into a Tomb World.

It would make sense if you could also do this to uninhabited planets in your own territory. Otherwise, you're in the odd situation of wanting xenos to colonize planets near you, just so that you have an excuse to give them that 'gemütlich' radioactive glow.

 

[Jedi515]

It would make sense if you could also do this to uninhabited planets in your own territory. Otherwise, you're in the odd situation of wanting xenos to colonize planets near you, just so that you have an excuse to give them that 'gemütlich' radioactive glow.

FPs with tomb world pref (Survivor civic or after-effects of horizon signal) running around bombing everything and colonizing it... Well, why not.

 

[cant pick a good name]

All my new empires are going to be survivors! I can't wait for this new update! I am super excited it will add so much new content to the game!

 

[Hibernus]

Amusingly, Tomb worlds are easier for Life-Seeded starts to colonize than anything else because their tech is a flat +20% habitability.

 

[Ur-Quan Lord 13]

Amusingly, Tomb worlds are easier for Life-Seeded starts to colonize than anything else because their tech is a flat +20% habitability.

Hmmm. Would make sense, then, for Gaia preference to give -20% tomb world base habitability?

But, by the time you get tomb world adaptation, you can probably also gene mod wprld preference, so maybe moot.

 

[Hibernus]

Assuming it works as it does currently and Gaia preference is still unmodifiable it might need -20%, but it'll be a very unique interaction no matter which way they settle on.

 

[Ur-Quan Lord 13]

Assuming it works as it does currently and Gaia preference is still unmodifiable it might need -20%, but it'll be a very unique interaction no matter which way they settle on.

Oh, it's unmodifiable? Didn't know that, I never tried to change it.

 

[Lharrs]

A thought on Civics.

Perhaps add a few "favor" Civics to the options that allow a player that selects them to select an additional civic. These civics would, in general be designed for a Role-play purpose and would generally have a hefty negative modifier attached to their selection as seen with negative trait selections.

Example:
Selecting the "Slavers" or "Slave Traders" civic could add a -10% to Happiness or -10% modifier to resource output on worlds without slaves or and have a negative impact on diplomatic relations with other empires. This effect would allow players to further Role-play their empire and be strong enough to warrant the +1 to the Civics pool [perhaps even calling for the player to have to make the choice in-game meaning he/she would need to spend influence to reform the government and (at a reduce cost) hold this for 10 years further adding to the cost of a player choosing to add another civic].

*Further possibility with the "Slaver" civic (or others like it) could be that it would add one or more options to the species rights and/or slave type mechanic allowing for additional options or even (and this is getting a bit extreme, I know) a caste mechanic within the slave mechanic. The point is, this could be used to really help a play get an extra civic that would also be a choice of direction for said player as the choice would impact the development of the empire throughout the game and not just be a throwaway/no-brainer like some of the negative racial traits can be when customizing a faction.
- - - A candidate for the above listed "Slaver" civic could be the "Slow-Breeder" trait due to the fact that there is almost no reason to not select it as the negative attribute is very easily offset with a small amount of food. The player could just build an orbital hydroponics bay and it more or less compensate for the trait short term. Again, not saying the trait is a bad one, but it is part of a few traits that are taken often because a player just wants an additional trait point for something else. Another easy pick or perhaps an even better choice for this would be the "Sedentary" trait.

Thanks for your time.

 

[Studoku]

Amusingly, Tomb worlds are easier for Life-Seeded starts to colonize than anything else because their tech is a flat +20% habitability.

I can actually see this as making sense. Tomb Worlds have a lot less life on them, which means fewer bacteria, alien flora or fauna, or other things that life-seeded things can't handle outside their own world. Dealing with the lifeless radiation is comparatively easy.

 

[Zarpaulus]

A thought on Civics.

Perhaps add a few "favor" Civics to the options that allow a player that selects them to select an additional civic. These civics would, in general be designed for a Role-play purpose and would generally have a hefty negative modifier attached to their selection as seen with negative trait selections.

Example:
Selecting the "Slavers" civic could add a -10% to Happiness or -10% modifier to resource output on worlds without slaves or and have a negative impact on diplomatic relations with other empires. This effect would allow players to further Role-play their empire and be strong enough to warrant the +1 to the Civics pool [perhaps even calling for the player to have to make the choice in-game meaning he/she would need to spend influence to reform the government and (at a reduce cost) hold this for 10 years further adding to the cost of a player choosing to add another civic].

*Further possibility with the "Slaver" civic (or others like it) could be that it would add one or more options to the species rights and/or slave type mechanic allowing for additional options or even (and this is getting a bit extreme, I know) a caste mechanic within the slave mechanic. The point is, this could be used to really help a play get an extra civic that would also be a choice of direction for said player as the choice would impact the development of the empire throughout the game and not just be a throwaway/no-brainer like some of the negative racial traits can be when customizing a faction.
- - - A candidate for the above listed "Slaver" civic could be the "Slow-Breeder" trait due to the fact that there is almost no reason to not select it as the negative attribute is very easily offset with a small amount of food. The player could just build an orbital hydroponics bay and it more or less compensate for the trait short term. Again, not saying the trait is a bad one, but it is part of a few traits that are taken often because a player just wants an additional trait point for something else. Another easy pick or perhaps an even better choice for this would be the "Sedentary" trait.

Thanks for your time.

You know, Decadent might make more sense as a Civic than as a species trait like it currently is.

Especially since primitives with the Decadent trait can be enlightened and end up as fanatic egalitarians.