Stellaris Dev Diary #155 - Origins

[Big Dead One]

More like this imo
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[SnakeInATopHat]

nice

 

[Abominus]

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Will the origins be possible to be changed by event or how would newly created empires work?

 

[Orinsul]

1. Can we pleae have a origin unique to humans that random empires cant use and sets homeworld as Earth. So we no longer get humanity's homeworld as Unity, even the AI Earthlings you meet along the way.

2. Can we have another Post-Apoc, but this time, it doesn't have Tomb world adaptation. Just a massive unique bunker building or something on the homeworld that lets them have habitability there, enough to survive not 100%, and no species trait so they still want to live on their original planet type, theyre just trapped on a tomb world. It'd be cool to play species looking to escape the homeworld they destroyed with war, for somewhere unmarred. Not longing for more war destroyed worlds out there to live on!

 

[safe-keeper]

Different nations co-existing on the same planet would be neat. No idea how best to implement it, though.

 

[Incompetent]

Will the origins be possible to be changed by event or how would newly created empires work?

It would make sense for there to be a special "Worm" origin brought about by the Horizon Signal events. Actually this might be a reasonable trade-off for the great benefits that embracing the Worm brings: the cost is that what you thought was your empire's history has effectively been erased from the timeline (along with any bonuses it would have given).

 

[Orinsul]

Different nations co-existing on the same planet would be neat. No idea how best to implement it, though.

Stellaris can't even existing in same the solar system. Maybe Stellaris 2?

It would make sense for there to be a special "Worm" origin brought about by the Horizon Signal events. Actually this might be a reasonable trade-off for the great benefits that embracing the Worm brings: the cost is that what you thought was your empire's history has effectively been erased from the timeline (along with any bonuses it would have given).

The worm is the history of our empire.
There are only benefits from embracing the worm, we owe all we are to the worm.without.the.worm.we.are.nothing.
Embrace the worm
embra
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the
worm

 

[SeekingEtermity]

Very interesting indeed. This looks like it will open up the door for some very interesting starts. When/if Habitats are ever expanded upon, an origin that lets you start on a Habitat rather than a planet (perhaps a Habitat hovering over an uninhabitable planet like Frozen, Molten, or Toxic; their homeworld having been ruined in the past, forcing them to build said Habitat to survive). Starting in a federation (when federations aren't a joke anyway) would also be an interesting origin.

I would like to think that Hive Mind civics will receive the same attention that other civics have received by the release of this expansion. It would be very dissatisfying if it that were not the case.

I refer you to the link in my signature! I mean, it's pretty incomplete and buggy right now, and I've got a long way to go, but it's technically playable if you don't mind your starting economy being crap. I'll be posting the source and/or uploading the alpha to Steam in the next 24 hours.

With that said... @grekulf / hey Paradox team, PLEASE make my work redundant! I'd love to have a habitat-start background built into the game, playable with achievements and everything. Hopefully it'll even be balanced.

 

[safe-keeper]

Stellaris can't even existing in same the solar system. Maybe Stellaris 2?

Obviously not as different civs. You'd need to implement it as a set of modifiers, or a new gameplay system, maybe something akin to how factions work. For example, I can see it as you leading some sort of global space programme or council led by the most influential nations of the planet, each with their own ideas and conflicts of interest.

 

[Carinyc]

Cool update but the game is still going to continue to run like ass mid to late game

 

[Ridixo]

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Just my two cents

 

[Ursul]

Stellaris can't even existing in same the solar system. Maybe Stellaris 2?

Techincally, Stellaris 1 could handle multiple empire co-existing in the same system, Stellaris 2 cannot.

 

[ius]

If you were to break fanatic purifier into an origin and a civic, what game mechanics would you tie to each?

I was thinking of an origin in the line of a very strong fear or anger, maybe revenge due to an event in the past, like an e.t. invasion or some horrible civil war. Requiring: xenophobe ethics.

For the institutional civic, I am thinking of fundamentalism e.g. warrior caste, like a sort of holy order.

Together these could recreate Fanatical Purifiers, but at the same also allow for less strong defined variations.

If they didn't say anything, at least for me, is because nothing will change with that civics. They will remain as they are right now. They are changing what they call the origin civics, life-seeded, mechanist and that into origins, the other civics, what they call institutions civics, the rest will remain. Some people worried about the possibility of Fanatical purifier and that other kind of civics, that just like origins can be changed once you start the game, would be transformed on origins, mainly because that impede to have post-apocalyptic Fanatical Purifiers. I for one think they wouldn't change anything about that civics, no other category or split between origin and institution

Good point. I do admit my train of thought started, thinking you couldn't add two unremovable civics at the same time. But this is possible as I recently learned. I understand people to prefer to keep that option.

By splitting a contemporary civic like I brainstormed above, this problem also occurs, preventing the earlier mentioned Post Apocalyptic + Fanatical Purifiers combination.

Maybe more than one origin could be allowed to be picked, offset against a cost. Let's say a point based system shared between the origins and civics (not unlike the system used to balance species traits). This could be a way to increase creativity and the potential combination, while still direct the options at the start of the game (later on increasing the number of points through tech, just like with traits).

Surely, this is much complexer than keeping the genocidal civics as they are, institutional civics, like you explained.

 

[emperorgomer]

If I was to be able to have any origin then I would like to have an XCOM style one, That starts you off having poor relations with an advanced start neighbor.

 

[Jeffreyteciller]

Waitwaitwaitwaitwait

On the mechanist requirements, it says that the empire has to be some degree of materialist, and that it needs to not be a gestalt consciousness, even though an empire can’t be both materialist and a GC at once. Is this a hint towards gestats getting to pick an extra ethic or just a logical oversight?

 

[SeekingEtermity]

Waitwaitwaitwaitwait

On the mechanist requirements, it says that the empire has to be some degree of materialist, and that it needs to not be a gestalt consciousness, even though an empire can’t be both materialist and a GC at once. Is this a hint towards gestats getting to pick an extra ethic or just a logical oversight?

I suspect it's somewhere between an oversight when they re-wrote the civic into an origin. Currently, civics have two sets of restrictions: when it even appears in the list of possible civics, and when it is a valid choice. Mechanists, like all other "normal" (non-GC, non-MC) civics, are blocked from access to gestalts using the first list; as a result, even if you added a fourth Ethic point so it would be possible to have Materialist Gestalt Consciousness, you couldn't pick Mechanists because it wouldn't even appear in the list. Now that Origins appear in all empire types' lists, they just move the validity restriction there.

Also, there are mods that add more ethic points. The game doesn't actually stop you from being something in addition to GC, it just doesn't anticipate that state. It costs basically nothing to add a check for it, though.

 

[FiddleSticks96]

Waitwaitwaitwaitwait

On the mechanist requirements, it says that the empire has to be some degree of materialist, and that it needs to not be a gestalt consciousness, even though an empire can’t be both materialist and a GC at once. Is this a hint towards gestats getting to pick an extra ethic or just a logical oversight?

I completely missed that, but I seriously doubt that will be the case. I think it's more along the lines of redundancy.

 

[Vanharian]

Waitwaitwaitwaitwait

On the mechanist requirements, it says that the empire has to be some degree of materialist, and that it needs to not be a gestalt consciousness, even though an empire can’t be both materialist and a GC at once. Is this a hint towards gestats getting to pick an extra ethic or just a logical oversight?

GC will probably get their own (and some shared) picks at an Origin and mechanist might not be one of them.

 

[Ezumiyr]

A Religious Caliphate could a be decent origin, could work hand in hand with the Fanatic Purifier or generally Fanatic Religious and Xenophobe empire.

I feel like you're confusing the modern pseudo-caliphate and the real, historic caliphates here. A caliphate isn't a terrorist state, it's just an empire or a kingdom ruled by divine right (just like many other kingdom from medieval time). There's no reason why a religious caliphate would work hand in hand with a FP... FPs only ally with other empires of the same species. If anything, a militarist/spiritualist empire would consider FPs as heretics and a threat.

Can we pleae have a origin unique to humans that random empires cant use and sets homeworld as Earth

That's actually an interesting idea: having a bunch of unique origins only one empire can have in each game, that grants a unique starting system (like Earth) and a starting quest. At least that would help the story building.

 

[Urloc the Great]

That's actually an interesting idea: having a bunch of unique origins only one empire can have in each game, that grants a unique starting system (like Earth) and a starting quest. At least that would help the story building.

Sounds interesting, but how would that work in Multiplayer? What if two players took the same unique origin?