Stellaris Dev Diary #332 - 3.11 “Eridanus” Release Notes

[Harvey_James]

in my experience the game loves killing characters as often as it can ... like 1 year over =dead ... any events that can kill it happens without fail... like sick of great leaders dying all the time..

 

[Takfloyd]

Every month the leader had a very small chance of dying, but eventually their number comes up. Small chances add up over time, sometimes in unexpected ways.

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Speaking of dead leaders, any chance we can get a fix to the major issue where the game doesn't tell us what a leader was doing when they died? It can make it a huge pain to figure out, for example, which of your 30 planets needs a replacement governor. Especially since you can't even just check which planet is lacking a governor anymore, seeing as most planets won't have one.

 

[grommile]

in my experience the game loves killing characters as often as it can ... like 1 year over =dead ... any events that can kill it happens without fail... like sick of great leaders dying all the time..

Unless you've got hard quantitative data of every leader you recruit and how they die over multiple playthroughs, this sounds like a standard human cognitive bias to me.

 

[HFY]

There were some changes made to lifespan a few months back (I think they released alongside Astral Planes) so things that increased lifespan would better affect maximum lifespan and percentage age based effects, and it looks like they may have cleared up the issues you were having. When I swapped out the leader_age from your example with the new leader_lifespan_add, my 351 year old leaders seemed content to continue doing their jobs as time was passing.

Spoiler

I stuck this into trait_enduring, replacing the normal modifier block.

leader_age_min = 100
leader_age_max = 400
   
modifier = {
        leader_lifespan_add = 625
        pop_amenities_usage_add = 0.10
        planet_jobs_unity_produces_mult = 0.25
}

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I kicked the starting ages up to 600 - 900, and the ones in the upper end of the age ranges retired or died in the first month as expected, but the 704 year old leader kept chugging along (with 0% chance of death under 705, the one I posted above probably had +10 lifespan from a trait).

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Once she hit 706, she started accumulating death chance.

Letting the game run at speed 5, she finally died at 708.

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To be completely transparent, I did my testing on my local 3.11.1 branch, so I may have slight differences in code than what's currently on live, but it looks like the mod should be able to use leader_lifespan_add. If not now, then next Tuesday.

Thank you for the comprehensive answer, the history of code changes which explain why the behavior occurred, and especially for the fix!

 

[Kevkev100]

How much unity/trade/amenities will prosperity preachers produce?

 

[CapnFantastic]

All these ship upkeep and tech changes just feel like you're making the game more of a slog and less fun.

 

[mrt1212]

All these ship upkeep and tech changes just feel like you're making the game more of a slog and less fun.

I'm not saying Devs have to do this to rescue their game for the purposes of selling more DLC down the road, but...it's a start to a reconciliation of the game getting way out their hands and players compensating by playing it in a way that basically truncates it out of new spiffy content. See Astral Planes and while the Devs have the data, my hunch about pricing, content, and how large amounts of players play around performance and focus drains as the game goes on made it more tepid entry than it deserves.

It's a speculative theory, I admit it.

The speculative theory is getting the game to a theoretical place of proper pacing with costs for a longer fuller game instead of 'Everything crucial happens in the first 2 acts, the 3rd is cleanup and Crisis' at default. The other shoe is obviously figuring out performance savings directly through the guts of the code and calls made and also through game object costs so there are potentially less objects as the game goes on and the 3rd act is more than cleanup and Crisis and doesn't turn into 'Slowest' Speed by way of all the number crunching.

I'll spout more speculative theories and Purple Prose for beer monies.

(Also, how much would an organizational layer above Fleets, fleets of fleets, called Armadas, help? Can onest find out?)

 

[Question]

create_fleet - Creates a new fleet
create_fleet = { name = <string> effect = { <create_ship, set_owner, set_location etc effects go here> } }
Supported Scopes: all

The can_change_composition = no instruction has nothing to do with the instruction can_upgrade = no. You are mixing different concepts.

In my Mod I corrected all those defects just by changing can_change_composition = no to can_change_composition = yes.

can_upgrade = no did not work for event ships in the same fleet with normal fleets. Thats why they deliberately made event ships not mixable with normal ships. Because people kept complaining about event ships upgrading to auto designs (IIRC, they were already set to can_upgrade = no). I remember this very clearly because i tried setting can_upgrade = no and it didnt work...unless pdx somehow fixed can_upgrade = no at some point but kept the fleets non mergeable...

 

[Kranakhan]

can_upgrade = no did not work for event ships in the same fleet with normal fleets. Thats why they deliberately made event ships not mixable with normal ships. Because people kept complaining about event ships upgrading to auto designs (IIRC, they were already set to can_upgrade = no). I remember this very clearly because i tried setting can_upgrade = no and it didnt work...unless pdx somehow fixed can_upgrade = no at some point but kept the fleets non mergeable...

Sorry, my mistake, I did not look carefully, I referred to the "upgradable = no" instruction when you create the ship (I did not refer to the fleet but to the ships included in it, while the ships cannot be updated the fleet can be merged with others fleets).

create_fleet = {
    effect = {
        set_owner = PREV
        create_ship_design = {
            design = "NAME_Derelict"
        }
        create_ship = {
            name = "NAME_Salvage"
            design = last_created_design
            upgradable = no
        }
        set_location = event_target:sdd_gas_giant_ship
    }
    settings = {
        can_upgrade = yes
        can_change_composition = yes
        uses_naval_capacity = yes
        spawn_debris = yes
    }
}

 

[Kranakhan]

Speaking of dead leaders, any chance we can get a fix to the major issue where the game doesn't tell us what a leader was doing when they died? It can make it a huge pain to figure out, for example, which of your 30 planets needs a replacement governor. Especially since you can't even just check which planet is lacking a governor anymore, seeing as most planets won't have one.

That can be solved with a simple event:

Spoiler: CODE

\Stellaris\mod\User Config\common\on_actions\!!!_actions_disaster.txt

# Executed just before on_leader_death if show_notification = yes (default)
# This = Country
# From = Leader
on_leader_death_notify = {
    events = {
        disaster.69    # Leader Funeral Location
    }
}

# Executed just before on_leader_death if show_notification = no (explicitly set)
# This = Country
# From = Leader
on_leader_death_no_notify = {
    events = {
        disaster.69    # Leader Funeral Location
    }
}

\Stellaris\mod\User Config\events\!!!_disaster_events.txt

# > on_leader_death_notify
# Executed just before on_leader_death if show_notification = yes (default)
# This = Country
# From = Leader
# > on_leader_death_no_notify
# Executed just before on_leader_death if show_notification = no (explicitly set)
# This = Country
# From = Leader
country_event = {
    id = disaster.69

    hide_window = yes
    is_triggered_only = yes

    trigger = {
        is_ai = no
        has_country_flag = disaster_autopause_ceremonial_probe
        exists = from
        from = {
            is_pool_leader = no
            NOT = { leader_class = envoy }
        }
    }

    immediate = {
        sdd_create_ceremonial_legacy_country = yes
        event_target:SDDLegacyInMotionCountry = {
            # Make a clone since the original is going to be deleted before any followup event is triggered.
            clone_leader = {
                target = from
#                skip_background_generation = yes
                effect = {
                    set_immortal = yes
                    save_event_target_as = SDDLostLeaderCloned
                }
            }
            last_created_leader = {
                set_years_served = from # Copy years served from the original
                switch = {
                    trigger = leader_class
                    official = { change_leader_class = SDD_official }
                    commander = { change_leader_class = SDD_commander }
                    scientist = { change_leader_class = SDD_scientist }
                }
            }
            create_fleet = {
                name = "site_lost_moments"
                effect = {
                    set_owner = prev
                    create_ship = {
                        name = "probe"
                        design = "funeral_disaster"
                        prefix = yes
                        upgradable = no
                    }
                    assign_leader = event_target:SDDLostLeaderCloned
                    set_aggro_range = 0
                    set_fleet_stance = passive
                    set_aggro_range_measure_from = self
                    set_fleet_flag = sdd_ceremonial_probe_active
                    from = {
                        If = {
                            limit = { exists = planet }
                            planet = {
                                save_event_target_as = SDDLostLeaderLocation
                            }
                        }
                        else_if = {
                            limit = { exists = fleet.solar_system }    # failsafe in case the fleet has no valid location (likely MIA or in transit)
                            fleet = { save_event_target_as = SDDLostLeaderLocation }
                        }
                        else = {
                            root.capital_scope = {
                                save_event_target_as = SDDLostLeaderLocation
                            }
                        }
                    }
                    set_location = {
                        target = event_target:SDDLostLeaderLocation
                        direction = in_system
                    }
                    enable_special_project = { name = "SDDLegacyInMotion" owner = root }
                    root = {
                        create_message = {
                            type = MESSAGE_SDD_CEREMONIAL_PROBE_DETECTED
                            localization = SDD_CEREMONIAL_PROBE_DETECTED_CUSTOM
                            days = 360
                            target = prev
                            variable = {
                                type = name
                                localization = FLEET
                                scope = prev
                            }
                            variable = {
                                type = name
                                localization = WHO
                                scope = prev.owner
                            }
                            variable = {
                                type = name
                                localization = TARGET
                                scope = root.capital_star
                            }
                        }
                    }
                    queue_actions = {
                        move_to = root.capital_star
                        wait = {
                            duration = 30
                            random = 360
                        }
                        repeat = {
                            while = {
                                id = "disaster.69.while.1"
                                has_fleet_flag = sdd_ceremonial_probe_active
                                exists = orbit
                                orbit = { is_star = no }
                            }
                            find_random_system = {
                                trigger = {
                                    id = "disaster.69.trigger.1"
                                    exists = space_owner
                                    exists = prev.space_owner
                                    prev.space_owner = { is_same_value = prev.space_owner }
                                }
                                found_system = {
                                    move_to = this
                                    wait = {
                                        duration = 30
                                        random = 3600
                                    }
                                }
                            }
                            find_random_planet = {
                                found_planet = {
                                    move_to = this
                                    orbit_planet = this
                                    wait = {
                                        duration = 30
                                        random = 360
                                    }
                                }
                            }
                        }
                        repeat = {
                            while = {
                                id = "disaster.69.while.2"
                                NOT = { has_fleet_flag = sdd_ceremonial_probe_active }
                                exists = orbit
                                orbit = { is_star = no }
                            }
                            find_random_planet = {
                                trigger = {
                                    id = "disaster.69.trigger.2"
                                    is_star = yes
                                }
                                found_planet = {
                                    move_to = this
                                    orbit_planet = this
                                    wait = {
                                        duration = 30
                                        random = 360
                                    }
                                }
                                failed = {
                                    find_random_system = {
                                        found_system = {
                                            move_to = this
                                            wait = {
                                                duration = 30
                                                random = 3600
                                            }
                                        }
                                    }
                                }
                            }
                        }
                        move_to = star
                        orbit_planet = star
                        effect = {
                            id = "disaster.69.effect.1"
                            sdd_spawn_star_eruption_effect = yes
                            create_ambient_object = {
                                location = this
                                type = habitat_neutron_object
                                duration = 5

                                use_3d_location = yes
                                base_angle_towards = star
                                entity_face_object = star

                                entity_offset = { min = 0 max = 0 }

                                entity_scale_to_size = yes
                                scale = 0.10
                            }
                            destroy_fleet = this
                        }
                    }
                }
                settings = {
                    can_upgrade = no
                    can_change_leader = no
                    uses_naval_capacity = no
                    spawn_debris = no
                }
            }
        }
    }

}

\Stellaris\mod\User Config\common\leader_classes\zzz_user_leader_classes.txt

SDD_official = {
    name = official
    name_plural = official_plural
    description = official_description
    can_lead_army = yes
    can_have_traits = no
    can_rule_empire = no
    recruitable = no
    max_trait_points = 0
    leader_capacity = 999

    ai_weight = {
        modifier = {
            factor = 0
            always = yes
        }
    }

    leader_background_job_weight = {
        high_priest = 100
        politician = 100
        noble = 100
        merchant = 100
        executive = 100
        colonist = 100
        priest = 100
        culture_worker = 100
        bureaucrat = 100
        unifier = 100
        manager = 100
        entertainer = 100
        death_chronicler = 100
        artisan = 100
        reassigner = 100
        clerk = 100
        miner = 100
        crystal_miner = 100
        farmer = 100
        preacher = 100
        scrap_miner = 100
        angler = 100
    }
    icon = 4
}

SDD_commander = {
    name = commander
    name_plural = commander_plural
    description = commander_description
    can_lead_army = yes
    can_have_traits = no
    can_rule_empire = no
    recruitable = no
    max_trait_points = 0
    leader_capacity = 999

    ai_weight = {
        modifier = {
            factor = 0
            always = yes
        }
    }

    leader_background_job_weight = {
        noble = 100
        knight_commander = 100
        death_priest = 100
        duelist = 100
        knight = 100
        ranger = 100
        squire = 100
    }
    icon = 1
}

SDD_scientist = {
    name = scientist
    name_plural = scientist_plural
    description = scientist_description
    can_lead_army = yes
    can_have_traits = no
    can_rule_empire = no
    recruitable = no
    max_trait_points = 0
    leader_capacity = 999

    ai_weight = {
        modifier = {
            factor = 0
            always = yes
        }
    }

    leader_background_job_weight = {
        head_researcher = 100
        noble = 100
        colonist = 100
        researcher = 100
        xeno_zoo_keeper = 100
        telepath = 100
        chemist = 100
        translucer = 100
        gas_refiner = 100
        roboticist = 100
        healthcare = 100
        bluelotus_technician = 100
        foundry = 100
        catalytic_technician = 100
        artificer = 100
        technician = 100
        gas_extractor = 100
        mote_harvester = 100
        puddle_technician = 100
    }
    icon = 3
}

\Stellaris\mod\User Config\localisation\user_config_l_english.yml

 FLAG_CATEGORY_disaster: "£sddlogo£ §rS§!§PD§!§dD§!"
 SDD_CEREMONIAL_PROBE_DETECTED: "£sddceremonialprobe£ ceremonial probe detected"
 SDD_CEREMONIAL_PROBE_DETECTED_CUSTOM: "$MESSAGE_FLEET_DETECTED_WE$\n\n§K$funeral_disaster$§!\n$SDD_CPD_ONE$ $SDD_CPD_TWO$\n\n§Y$country.3.name$§!\n$SDD_CPD_THREE$\n\n"
 SDD_CPD_ONE: "Pioneering use of holographic technology allows for the creation of artificial environments that seem as authentic as the real world."
 SDD_CPD_TWO: "The universe as a reflection, hologram, or prism, simply breaking the brilliant rays of the truly real."
 SDD_CPD_THREE: "An intelligent hologram based on §Y[From.GetName]§! has been installed in our ship systems to serve as a virtual advisor. Our scientists have backed up their files to preserve important data."
 SDD_official: "$official$"
 SDD_commander: "$commander$"
 SDD_scientist: "$scientist$"
 funeral_disaster: "Holographic Rituals"
 funeral_disaster_plural: "$MESSAGE_LEADER_LOST_TITLE$"
 SDDLegacyInMotion: "A Legacy in Motion"
 SDDLegacyInMotion_DESC: "[SDDLegacyInMotionDesc]"
 SDDLegacyInMotion_Custom: "§Y[leader.GetName]§! has transcended this realm of existence and begun the journey towards the next.\nThe remarkable deeds of §Y[leader.GetName]§! have warranted [leader.GetHimHer] one last voyage through space."
 SDDLegacyInMotion_Normal: "$SDDLegacyInMotion_Custom$\n\nWe will do everything we can to continue their legacy and become a civilization that our ancestors are proud of."
 SDDLegacyInMotion_Gestalt: "$SDDLegacyInMotion_Custom$\n\nIt was our last effort to try and carry on some part of our legacy, so that the memories of our consciousness would not disappear forever. And... it seems to have worked."
 SDDLegacyInMotion_Default: "$SDDLegacyInMotion_Custom$\n\nWe are not the first civilization to travel between these stars. In the advent of the times, its legacy can also illuminate the future of other incipient cultures."

As you can check I have not shown all the code because it would be exaggerated. All this is already fully implemented in my Mod of which I will not advertise here. I only publish this code as a guide in case you want to make your own Mod, since it is the only way (currently) to have such mechanics.

Edit: This code is obsolete with respect to my Mod and has some errors (in addition to being incomplete), use with caution.

 

[Question]

Sorry, my mistake, I did not look carefully, I referred to the "upgradable = no" instruction when you create the ship (I did not refer to the fleet but to the ships included in it, while the ships cannot be updated the fleet can be merged with others fleets).

create_fleet = {
    effect = {
        set_owner = PREV
        create_ship_design = {
            design = "NAME_Derelict"
        }
        create_ship = {
            name = "NAME_Salvage"
            design = last_created_design
            upgradable = no
        }
        set_location = event_target:sdd_gas_giant_ship
    }
    settings = {
        can_upgrade = yes
        can_change_composition = yes
        uses_naval_capacity = yes
        spawn_debris = yes
    }
}

My point still stands, attempting to set event ships to not upgradable didnt work, i remember trying to stop event ships from upgrading this way and they still upgraded to the auto desigend version. Thats why they made most event ships not mergeable with normal fleets.

 

[Kranakhan]

My point still stands, attempting to set event ships to not upgradable didnt work, i remember trying to stop event ships from upgrading this way and they still upgraded to the auto desigend version. Thats why they made most event ships not mergeable with normal fleets.

Oh, never in all my games I have used the "automatic design" mode, instead I have always manually designed my ships, so it will be impossible for me to verify if what you say is true.

However, in fleets with manual designs, the "upgradable = no" instruction has worked correctly and I have been able to merge my own fleets with the event fleets without problems (since the aforementioned ships have maintained their own event designs without ever updating, although the rest of the same fleet was updated).

 

[Nithralder]

Normally I am pretty happy with Stellaris updates but this update kind of sucks. Ship cost reductions shouldn't be removed but rather a cap should have been implemented. Rather than removing stats, more stats should be added to the game.

Military Buildup Agenda worked with all builds before and was good for everyone. As a Fanatic Purifier why would I waste my time with Military Buildup Agenda for claims? Ship Build Speed is a Joke and worthless. If I am going to conquer someone I will have multiple starbases dedicated to ship production. Why not add Ship Fire rate with Military Agenda? At least that would be something useful for all builds.

Knights of the Toxic God Origin wasn't even meta, now it will almost never get used due to being gutted unless you want to RP.

Seriously one of the worst patches in Stellaris history.

 

[Franet]

It's been a while since I used the forum and came back to the game...

Gentlemen, any ideas on how to make it interesting to have all types of ships in fleets? And as stated above, when will we be able to have the Navy layer above the fleets? Can we talk about Stellaris 2 now?

PS: I'm not a native speaker of English so I use Google Translate.

 

[BlastFilms_]

Gentlemen, any ideas on how to make it interesting to have all types of ships in fleets?

generally very bad but sometimes I'll fill extra slots with corvettes to make numbers round 10s. :|

 

[mrt1212]

generally very bad but sometimes I'll fill extra slots with corvettes to make numbers round 10s. :|

I do this to round off fleets late game where I like nice even numbers of Cruisers and Battleships and Titans, and there's a remainder for torp boats.

 

[Soranya]

Every month the leader had a very small chance of dying, but eventually their number comes up. Small chances add up over time, sometimes in unexpected ways.

View attachment 1085940

Seeing this fully calculated - for me somehow it would feel "more" realistic to me if the death/surviving chance (until almost certain death) would spread out over a longer span of time (maybe scaling with the overall life expectancy.
For "current" technology humans:
Starts at about 60-70 to have a chance to die of a natural cause - goes up until the chance to reach the age is like 50% at i dunno 90-100. and the chance to reach 110 is like <1%.

 

[Question]

Oh, never in all my games I have used the "automatic design" mode, instead I have always manually designed my ships, so it will be impossible for me to verify if what you say is true.

However, in fleets with manual designs, the "upgradable = no" instruction has worked correctly and I have been able to merge my own fleets with the event fleets without problems (since the aforementioned ships have maintained their own event designs without ever updating, although the rest of the same fleet was updated).

Did you test BEFORE getting the tech? E.G. Put an event cruiser in the same fleet with corvettes before you have the tech to build cruisers and then try upgrading them.

 

[Ryuujin95]

It looks like there is still no fix for the 4 month old Overtuned / Damn the Consequences bug that causes the edict to use unity even if there is available Edict Fund.

 

[redvictorx4]

• All pop types will now be happy while living on a gaia world.
  

So this includes gestalt and robots?
Would be the needed buff to Idyllic Bloom hivemind