Stellaris Dev Diary #347 - Stellaris 3.12.5 "Andromeda" Preliminary Release Notes

[LegionsBest1]

There is a bug in the Diplomacy tree that needs to be fixed. When completing the tree you are suppose to get 2 envoys. I am only getting 1. Another possible bug is the hive empire size reduction not working properly.

Please check the screen shot and verify. I'm suppose to be getting 50% reduction but It doesn't seem that way.

 

[CaesarVincens]

Regarding the free weekend, does that make all DLC free as well or just the base game?

Thanks!

Likely just the base game, that's typically how these work

There is a bug in the Diplomacy tree that needs to be fixed. When completing the tree you are suppose to get 2 envoys. I am only getting 1. Another possible bug is the hive empire size reduction not working properly.

Please check the screen shot and verify. I'm suppose to be getting 50% reduction but It doesn't seem that way.

Make a bug report for the former. For the latter, note that it says "Empire size effect", which reduces the effects of empire size, not the empire size itself. Normally, you get +0.2% tradition and tech cost per point above 100. So at ~300 you would expect 200*.02% = 40% increased cost. You have ~19% increased cost, a 50% reduction.

 

[LystAP]

Reworked how Fallen Empires view empires trying to match their technological level. Unless you're a Scion, any FE level tech you acquire will accrue a stacking opinion penalty with them, that is doubled for the materialist Fallen Empire.

Shouldn't a Chosen of Zarqlan also be exempt from this modifier with the Spiritualist Fallen Empire? After all, whatever they do - Zarqlan wills it.

 

[Drullo321]

Likely just the base game, that's typically how these work

Make a bug report for the former. For the latter, note that it says "Empire size effect", which reduces the effects of empire size, not the empire size itself. Normally, you get +0.2% tradition and tech cost per point above 100. So at ~300 you would expect 200*.02% = 40% increased cost. You have ~19% increased cost, a 50% reduction.

There is no need for another bug report.
The bug exists for month now, see here:

Stellaris - Finishing Diplomacy traditions did not give me +1 Envoy as claimed [3.11.2] [5f4a]

Description Finishing Diplomacy traditions did not give me +1 Envoy as claimed [3.11.2] [5f4a] Game Version [3.11.2] [5f4a] What version do you use? Steam What expansions do you have installed? Do you have mods enabled? No...

forum.paradoxplaza.com

It is likely a localisation issue but for most/all languages (at least english and german)

 

[Losttruppen]

Cosmogenesis should enable an FE to awaken to fight the War in Heaven against you.

 

[Malurok]

The patch looks promising, but I still don't see a fix for the ship designer blackout bug that affects Plantoid, Cybernetic, and Machine corvettes.

The bug report is here:

Stellaris - Ship design blackout

Description Ship design blackout Game Version Andromeda v3.12.1 What version do you use? Steam What expansions do you have installed? All Do you have mods enabled? No Please explain your issue is in as much detail as possible. When I tried...

forum.paradoxplaza.com

• Paradox titan graphics no longer uses the same mesh twice and looks broken.

Is there also a fix for the other two Cosmogenesis ship models having larger models stacked on top of each other? This affects the Riddle Escort and the Enigma Battlecruiser.
A QA tester said this issue was working as designed, but the bug is clearly present. If the QA tester said this is working as designed, can you please explain why this is the case?

Stellaris - Errors in models of cosmogenesis ships, Andromeda v3.12.2 (54e1)

Description Errors in models of cosmogenesis ships, Andromeda v3.12.2 (54e1) Game Version Andromeda v3.12.2 (54e1) What version do you use? Steam What expansions do you have installed? Do you have mods enabled? No Please...

forum.paradoxplaza.com

 

[miriforst]

It is a bit funny to see OTA updates nerfed when sovereign guardianship and its equivalents exists. Not to mention the free 10% from being a normal non materialist empire (you know what i am talking about). No, it's not funny at all come to think of it.

 

[BrokenSky]

• Empire Size from Pops from Harmony and Synchronicity tradition trees have been reduced from -15% to -10%

Sad that harmony keeps getting nerfed : <

 

[Drullo321]

Sometimes I wonder about some of the balance changes. I wouldn't disagree about them in general but in my opinion they are not the glaring elephant in the room.

For example, a rather small nerf to Harmony/Synchronicity (5% less) seems more important then making changes to the Aptitude tradition tree. This tree has a really nice opener but the rest is garbage. While there are better, worse and situational tradition trees, i won't ever consider choosing Aptitude in any playthrough.

Same goes for some civics like Heroic Past / Precision Cogs / etc. It doesn't even do something besides it effect which has zero impact. A completely dead civic.
Some ascension perks are in a rough state too, like Detox.

Those are more easy to adjust then some interface improvements (for example when assigning a governor to a planet you go through the unordered list of all your leaders).

Edit2: Or a recent example: Computation Core Focus policy for MegaCorp synthetically ascended Bio. It simply does nothing. The colonies you are working those jobs will have 0-5 clerks at maximum (for example Forge Ecu). And even then it is way more beneficial for each pop to work on another of those specified jobs then as a clerk buffing them.

Edit: Please don't get me wrong. I like the devs dedication and work and see nothing wrong in what is listed in the patch notes. However in my humble opinion it would be nice to sometimes have a broader view about some other issues besides those in the latest DLC.

 

[Adaman5280]

Shouldn't a Chosen of Zarqlan also be exempt from this modifier with the Spiritualist Fallen Empire? After all, whatever they do - Zarqlan wills it.

Me, a Determined Exterminator who is Zarqlans chosen, being humiliated every decade by the spiritualist FE. Not sure why they're mad at me, Zarqlan, the savior of all sapient life clearly wills its destruction by my hands.

 

[Prosodium]

Species list will not longer show founder species from various contacts that do not even have any presence on any of the planets.

So genetic ascension empires will no longer get access to the scavenger and shroud witch special portraits via designing and clonevatting a variant of their species? Sad!

 

[Calvax]

Federation/Galcom fleet template size is now limited by the corresponding capacity, not by the command limit.

Holy shroud I missed this on the first read but this is a dream come true! If we can finally create and reinforce Fed/gal fleets like regular fleets that’s absolutely fantastic. Literally years of not working!

 

[Abdulijubjub]

It is a bit funny to see OTA updates nerfed when sovereign guardianship and its equivalents exists. Not to mention the free 10% from being a normal non materialist empire (you know what i am talking about). No, it's not funny at all come to think of it.

Materialists can get Psionic Theory now, at least if you own Overlord. The Teachers of the Shroud guarantee that everyone gets access (if you never found the Sea of Consciousness planet, which I think is from Distant Stars).

 

[Abdulijubjub]

Sometimes I wonder about some of the balance changes. I wouldn't disagree about them in general but in my opinion they are not the glaring elephant in the room.

The room is full of elephants, and they pick a few to deal with every time.

For example, a rather small nerf to Harmony/Synchronicity (5% less) seems more important then making changes to the Aptitude tradition tree. This tree has a really nice opener but the rest is garbage. While there are better, worse and situational tradition trees, i won't ever consider choosing Aptitude in any playthrough.

Aptitude is probably in the "let's wait and see" phase, since they just nerfed it a few patches back, IIRC. It used to be a must pick, every round.

Same goes for some civics like Heroic Past / Precision Cogs / etc. It doesn't even do something besides it effect which has zero impact. A completely dead civic.
Some ascension perks are in a rough state too, like Detox.

This is what I mean by "full of elephants". There are many, many more civics than just these that are simultaneously lacking in interesting mechanics and too weak to be useful (so the main reason to pick them is "the name fits my roleplay"). And there are many more where the interesting mechanics are actually weaker than the default options, so you're shooting yourself in the foot if you use it.

They're making progress, though.

Those are more easy to adjust then some interface improvements (for example when assigning a governor to a planet you go through the unordered list of all your leaders).

Interface improvements are substantially harder than changing 0.15 to 0.1 (though, realistically, the majority of the work for that change would likely be designers discussing whether it's warranted).

Edit2: Or a recent example: Computation Core Focus policy for MegaCorp synthetically ascended Bio. It simply does nothing. The colonies you are working those jobs will have 0-5 clerks at maximum (for example Forge Ecu). And even then it is way more beneficial for each pop to work on another of those specified jobs then as a clerk buffing them.

A clerk on an ecu is useful job when, instead of making 4 TV/4 amenities/1% TV (realistically, another 1 TV), it's instead 4 TV/4 amenities/3.9 alloys (0.5% of 6.5*6*20=780 base alloys from 20 foundry arcologies)/1% TV (now 2 TV, since you're hiring a bunch of clerks instead of it just modifying the base).

A job making +0.5% alloys from jobs would be terrible, but it keeps the rest of its yields; that's in addition to the other things it makes.

Edit: Please don't get me wrong. I like the devs dedication and work and see nothing wrong in what is listed in the patch notes. However in my humble opinion it would be nice to sometimes have a broader view about some other issues besides those in the latest DLC.

Just wait till a Custodian patch, when they flip the entire game on its head with 100 different balance patches and 6 civic reworks.

 

[King Harkinian]

Holy shroud I missed this on the first read but this is a dream come true! If we can finally create and reinforce Fed/gal fleets like regular fleets that’s absolutely fantastic. Literally years of not working!

If only we could also just...... build Federation/Custodian/Imperium fleets the normal way. And not have the ships immediately run individually headfirst into the nearest 25x crisis fleet on completion. That's a far bigger issue in my opinion, and has always been. You have to babysit your shipyards CONSTANTLY if you want your ships to not suicide themselves. I once lost 6 titans at the same time this way. It's even worse now that reinforcing ships are no longer clickable on the galaxy view. Always a constant suicide prevention scramble in multiplayer where pausing all the time isn't fun for anyone. You can designate systems to be automatically avoided, but this isn't a solution because which systems are dangerous constantly changes during a major war or crisis

I never use the fleet manager because it's so unreliable and historically buggy and takes away control over where ships are built and what they do when completed. But there's no way to turn off this ill-advised automated behaviour on Federation/GalCom fleets, which is quite frustrating.

 

[Drullo321]

A clerk on an ecu is useful job when, instead of making 4 TV/4 amenities/1% TV (realistically, another 1 TV), it's instead 4 TV/4 amenities/3.9 alloys (0.5% of 6.5*6*20=780 base alloys from 20 foundry arcologies)/1% TV (now 2 TV, since you're hiring a bunch of clerks instead of it just modifying the base).

A job making +0.5% alloys from jobs would be terrible, but it keeps the rest of its yields; that's in addition to the other things it makes.

Afaik a "+Ressource from Jobs" is always applied to the base yield and stacks additively with every other of those modifiers. Depending on combination of any of those modifiers available I think a valid mid/lategame output for alloys is anywhere between 15 and 45 per pop after all modifiers applied. Iirc I'm usually in the 20-25 range, not really optimised.

Afaik base yields for alloys range from 3 / 3.75 (Individual, HiveMind / Individual, HiveMind with Catalytic) to 4 / 5 (MI / MI with Catalytic).
The government form is only availably to Bio ascended Synths, therefore base yield is either 3 or 3.75

This base can be further buffed with
Alloy Foundries (max upgraded): 2 / 2.5
Orbital Ring Structure: 1 / 1.25

=> 6 Regular / 7.5 Catalytic Base

Therefore +0.5% ressource from jobs is 0.03 Regular or 0.0375 additional alloys per job for each clerck.

For Ecus Districts:
1 Residental District provides 3 Clerks
1 Foundry District provides 6 Metallurgists

Buildings:
You have 12 Slots. In a standard game I assume you occupy at least half of them with basic stuff, maybe more.
Iirc the only other Non-Cosmogenisis standard building probiding more Clerks are Commercial zones. 4 per upgraded zone x 6 building slots = 24 Clerks.

Assuming a common Ecu with ~30 available districts (e.g. something arround 23-25 planet size plus a combinations of orbital ring, traditions and AP to get to 30).
Usually you don't have to build residental districts on Ecus and you should only do it, if in this case Clerks are beneficial to the output in this case, but i doubt it.

30 districts x 6 jobs + 6 jobs from Alloy Building = 186 metallurgist jobs

Either 0-24 additional clerks or every not used clerk works another metallurgist job anyhwere else (probably another Ecu)

Not-Clerk Buffed 210 Metallurgist multiplied with min 15 / max 45 alloy per pop = 3150 / 9450 alloy output
Removing 24 Metallurgist result in a loss of min 360 / max 1080 alloys

24 Clerks add 0.03 (or 0.0375) x 186 metallurgist = ~134 (or ~167.5) total output.
Or in other words, 24 clerk add 0.72 (or 0.9) additional alloy per metallurgist.

There will be probably a better optimal sweet spot with more/less clerks but i think if someone provide a whole graph ranging from zero to max clerks possible vs max to min metallurgist possible, the result would probably be zero clerks are best for optimum output.

You are right. The clerks also additionally still provide their usual base output of (probably with Mercantile) 4 TV / 4 amenities but you won't put them on an alloy Ecu either but rather on a colony focussed on trade and stacked with trade multipliers.

And last not least, you have to set the policy to one choice. While I only did the math on alloys in this case, you won't find an usecase more suitable for this. If Corporate Sapience gets its Computation Core Focus policy removed it would loose absolutely nothing.

PS.: If for whatever reasons, the policy works differently then I assumed, e.g. "globally" it may be a different case (and people would find a way to abuse it).


Edit: It seems i left out the Pre-FTL Tech which yields 0.5 more base alloys. However that would barely change the whole math anyways.

 

[Abdulijubjub]

Afaik a "+Ressource from Jobs" is always applied to the base yield and stacks additively with every other of those modifiers. Depending on combination of any of those modifiers available I think a valid mid/lategame output is anywhere between 15 and 45 per pop after all modifiers applied. Iirc I'm usually in the 20-25 range, not really optimised.

Afaik base yields for alloys range from 3 / 3.75 (Individual, HiveMind / Individual, HiveMind with Catalytic) to 4 / 5 (MI / MI with Catalytic).
The government form is only availably to Bio ascended Synths, therefore base yield is either 3 or 3.75

This base can be further buffed with
Alloy Foundries (max upgraded): 2 / 2.5
Orbital Ring Structure: 1 / 1.25

=> 6 Regular / 7.5 Catalytic Base

Therefore +0.5% ressource from jobs is 0.03 Regular or 0.0375 additional alloys per job for each clerck.

For Ecus Districts:
1 Residental District provides 3 Clerks
1 Foundry District provides 6 Metallurgists

Buildings:
You have 12 Slots. In a standard game I assume you occupy at least half of them with basic stuff, maybe more.
Iirc the only other Non-Cosmogenisis standard building probiding more Clerks are Commercial zones. 4 per upgraded zone x 6 building slots = 24 Clerks.

Assuming a common Ecu with ~30 available districts (e.g. something arround 23-25 planet size plus a combinations of orbital ring, traditions and AP to get to 30).
Usually you don't have to build residental districts on Ecus and you should only do it, if in this case Clerks are beneficial to the output in this case, but i doubt it.

30 districts x 6 jobs + 6 jobs from Alloy Building = 186 metallurgist jobs

Either 0-24 additional clerks or every not used clerk works another metallurgist job anyhwere else (probably another Ecu)

Not-Clerk Buffed 210 Metallurgist multiplied with min 15 / max 45 alloy per pop = 3150 / 9450 alloy output
Removing 24 Metallurgist result in a loss of min 360 / 1080 alloys

24 Clerks add 0.03 (or 0.0375) x 186 metallurgist = ~134 (or ~167.5) total output.
Or in other words, 24 clerk add 0.72 (or 0.9) additional alloy per metallurgist.

There will be probably a better optimal sweet spot with more/less clerks but i think if someone provide a whole graph ranging from zero to max clerks possible vs max to min metallurgist possible, the result would probably be zero clerks are best for optimum output.

You are right. The clerks also additionally still provide their usual base output of (probably with Mercantile) 4 TV / 4 amenities but you won't put them on an alloy Ecu either but rather on a colony focussed on trade and stacked with trade multipliers.

And last not least, you have to set the policy to one choice. While I only did the math on alloys in this case, you won't find an usecase more suitable for this. If Corporate Sapience gets its Computation Core Focus policy it would loose absolutely nothing.

PS.: If for whatever reasons, the policy works differently then I assumed, e.g. "globally" it may be a different case (and people would find a way to abuse it).

The question is whether you can make more total TV and alloys with a mixed use ecu (where every clerk is making a free 3.9, or more, alloys) than the same number of pops working separately on a trade colony and a forge ecu, with the amenities coming from entertainers (and all the clerk/traders amenities going to waste).

If a clerk is effectively making 1/4 of a metallurgist, then you can repurpose some of the metallurgists to have ~33% more pops working trade and still get the same output (using now zero upkeep, instead of 12 minerals each). And every 3 clerks replace 1 entertainer (so maybe another 12 pops repurposed for traders and/or clerks). That will help you more than the Urban designation will.

ex. 8 clerks boost the 25*6=150 metallurgists enough to free up 2. Not needing 2 metallurgists in upkeep frees up 2 miners. And the 8 clerks produce 32 amenities (24 of which are unused), so they take the place of 2 entertainers as well. So they're missing out on the 20% bonus from being on a Urban world, but they freed up 6 pops.

City districts aren't great, but filling the building slots with commercial zones instead of having them on a dedicated colony will get you more.

 

[Jay Sherman]

Okay I might have missed it but, is the bug fixed that would immediately abandon a started dyson swarm or arc furnace construction

Yes: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...eliminary-release-notes.1687549/post-29694657

 

[dulahan]

The 'tech' malus for researching FE tech, does that apply to Dark Matter Engines and other things you get through the Dark Matter Insight Agenda? How about Psychic techs?

Or is it just those done through Cosmogenesis?

 

[Beauty Nova]

What does

Hide Dyson Sphere build option when Machine DLC is enabled

mean?

Will you have to use dyson swarms to build dyson spheres now?