Stellaris Dev Diary #347 - Stellaris 3.12.5 "Andromeda" Preliminary Release Notes

[TranscendentalDragon]

Will Cybernetic creed released vassals finally inherit the origin?

 

[Jay Sherman]

Will you have to use dyson swarms to build dyson spheres now?

Yes, you need to upgrade a swarm into a sphere.

 

[PointlessSerpent]

Okay I might have missed it but, is the bug fixed that would immediately abandon a started dyson swarm or arc furnace construction

Eladrin said it was fixed but omitted from the patch notes.

 

[lordvagrant]

Please add job weights for Machine Age pop modifications before moving on to the next version.

 

[Darlf]

when you fix languages error ? you do liek a yers ago path for it but it for my Polish language change not much, and from what i see it change not much for all languages who have that problem. probady all of thme who are not English, and which use a more standard alphabet, although I don't know if China and Korea also have a problem with theirs, maybe but I guess the problem is that we have a similar alphabet but additional characters... i be nice not not see coding names in half of messages add in last two yers or change in that time.

 

[talented_progenitor]

Will Cybernetic creed released vassals finally inherit the origin?

Please also look into what happens after a cybernetic creed empire wins a liberation war. It's frustrating that the empires we convert are normal spiritualists who think our ritualistic implants are heresy.

Changing the origin of liberated or released empires isn't necessary if having one of the unique cybernetic creed authorities would trigger replacement of the spiritualist faction with a creed. Then, liberated empires and released vassals would inherit the creed authority and therefore also the faction and non-traditional attitude towards augmentation. This would mean cybernetic creed empires would have to finish their conclave before going on a crusade, but that makes sense.

 

[bugseer1]

will ai now put commanders on new fleets as was done normally before 3.12.3

 

[Mcgan]

• Added the Servile trait to the can_think scripted trigger

So you're telling me "Serviles" won't be able to join factions, nor have happiness anymore? That's quite the nerf. Will the trait be rebalanced? At least the part where it gives +10% happiness?

Besides, I thought the whole idea was they can think, just not too well. Which is why they still have happiness, and a bigger boost to resource production than "Nerve Stapled", but with mostly the same limitations.
How about creating different scripted triggers for each case instead? Maybe not every single one, but at least one for which species can generate leaders, work complex jobs or be released as vassals.

 

[Abdulijubjub]

It does seem somewhat unnecessary to kick Syncretic Evolution while it's down (as it has been for the last 4 years).

 

[TranscendentalDragon]

So you're telling me "Serviles" won't be able to join factions, nor have happiness anymore? That's quite the nerf. Will the trait be rebalanced? At least the part where it gives +10% happiness?

Besides, I thought the whole idea was they can think, just not too well. Which is why they still have happiness, and a bigger boost to resource production than "Nerve Stapled", but with mostly the same limitations.
How about creating different scripted triggers for each case instead? Maybe not every single one, but at least one for which species can generate leaders, work complex jobs or be released as vassals

I think it's to prevent things like slave rebellions headed by serviles, which tend to happen in my games

 

[Mcgan]

I think it's to prevent things like slave rebellions headed by serviles, which tend to happen in my games

Well, I doubt that. I just made a quick search just in case, and I don't see can_think being used in anything related to rebellions.

I'm just worried whoever made the decision to add "Serviles" to that scripted trigger may not realize how much impact it will have.

 

[Cosmic Fishering Fleet]

Can I ask about modding feature? It would be good if when a mod lacks localization files for some language it would default to l_english (or make default localization files a property of the mod). It would be better for players that use non-english language without essentially copying another localization folder for every mod installed.

 

[Harkinian's Dinner]

Yes, you need to upgrade a swarm into a sphere.

I don't like that this is enforced. While it's perhaps a natural design decision, it cheapens the Dyson Sphere and the Galactic Wonders AP a bit in terms of flavor. I liked the monumental feeling of having to spend a long time building JUST the construction site for the Sphere and then the frame, without getting any benefits yet, because the end result is just that huge. Dyson Swarms and Dyson Spheres are also realistically very different things even if they both have "Dyson" in the name.

I think the build times for the Dyson Sphere Site and Frame should be shortened (or preferably, the build time for the Swarm increased) so that it's a little faster to build a Dyson Sphere from scratch, but without the intermediary benefits. Then it also wouldn't take up one of the Dyson Swarm slots and could be built in addition to them.

 

[Jay Sherman]

I don't like that this is enforced. While it's perhaps a natural design decision, it cheapens the Dyson Sphere and the Galactic Wonders AP a bit in terms of flavor. I liked the monumental feeling of having to spend a long time building JUST the construction site for the Sphere and then the frame, without getting any benefits yet, because the end result is just that huge. Dyson Swarms and Dyson Spheres are also realistically very different things even if they both have "Dyson" in the name.

I think the build times for the Dyson Sphere Site and Frame should be shortened (or preferably, the build time for the Swarm increased) so that it's a little faster to build a Dyson Sphere from scratch, but without the intermediary benefits. Then it also wouldn't take up one of the Dyson Swarm slots and could be built in addition to them.

I think this (starting them earlier as a swarm) is a patch for "megastructures feel so late game and win more after the science changes", but they could do something about the Megastructure tech as well

 

[Harkinian's Dinner]

I think this (starting them earlier as a swarm) is a patch for "megastructures feel so late game and win more after the science changes", but they could do something about the Megastructure tech as well

It's a good change, but it should be optional. We should still be able to build a Dyson Sphere the old way if we want to. Buying a new DLC should never take away a feature from an older one.

 

[TranscendentalDragon]

Well, I doubt that. I just made a quick search just in case, and I don't see can_think being used in anything related to rebellions.

I'm just worried whoever made the decision to add "Serviles" to that scripted trigger may not realize how much impact it will have.

Maybe not at rebellions, but empire generation?

 

[Mcgan]

Maybe not at rebellions, but empire generation?

I don't see anything like that either. The closest thing is the rule to allow releasing vassals, but that one already properly excludes "Serviles".

Honestly, it looks like a newbie noticed that most of the time there is the line can_think = yes, there is also NOT = { has_trait = trait_syncretic_proles } (the "Serviles" trait) next to it and thought "Well, this should probably be in can_think too". Which is understandable, but as it happens, that would cause an undesired nerf to the trait.

 

[TranscendentalDragon]

I don't see anything like that either. The closest thing is the rule to allow releasing vassals, but that one already properly excludes "Serviles".

Honestly, it looks like a newbie noticed that most of the time there is the line can_think = yes, there is also NOT = { has_trait = trait_syncretic_proles } (the "Serviles" trait) next to it and thought "Well, this should probably be in can_think too". Which is understandable, but as it happens, that would cause an undesired nerf to the trait.

better question, when is can_think used without exception for serviles?

 

[Abdulijubjub]

better question, when is can_think used without exception for serviles?

From a search for can_think:

• Factions
• The cleanup drones from the orbital trash event
• Refugees (mindless pops can't flee)

Edit: not Mortal Initiate or Knights, though I thought that initially.

 

[Beauty Nova]

First they make servile unremovable and now this? The first hit slaver empires and nonslaver empires equally but this is just a bummer, makes it rather awkward to not enslave your serviles.