Stellaris Dev Diary #382 - The Next Step in Evolution

[Ryuplaneswalker]

So are we gonna consider murderous xenophobe empires a crisis when they conquer half the galaxy?

It doesn't even rise to that level.

You can get declared crisis just for not being in the GC.

 

[Ajacoba]

Aren't there laws that also give you a casus belli against outsiders?

Granted, the only outsiders will be players and genociders, AI always joins if it can

 

[Ryuplaneswalker]

Aren't there laws that also give you a casus belli against outsiders?

Granted, the only outsiders will be players and genociders, AI always joins if it can

Yeah those exist too and because it's the Galactic Community and everything passes eventually those get put on.

I hate the galactic community. "Oops you are forever in breach because you don't wanna put storm buildings on every single planet."

 

[Ajacoba]

Yeah those exist too and because it's the Galactic Community and everything passes eventually those get put on.

I hate the galactic community. "Oops you are forever in breach because you don't wanna put storm buildings on every single planet."

My personal favorite is when my Romulans, who never even joined because I roleplay them ad absolute isolationists, get a warning to please kill the tiyanki in their space

Or if your ravenous swarm gets reprimanded for not following the laws

 

[Arkarnia]

@PDX_Cosmogone An important question before the update would be how the ship equipment and blueprints look now, where you forgot to write a separate blog about it where the topic was mentioned in a blog and referred to a later date. It would be even more important to equip the starbase, since the automatic equipment has always failed so far, and players only received garbage from the AI, and the AI empires weren't particularly better. It was claimed that there were blueprints for starbases? I don't mean the megastructure.

 

[Ajacoba]

@PDX_Cosmogone An important question before the update would be how the ship equipment and blueprints look now, where you forgot to write a separate blog about it where the topic was mentioned in a blog and referred to a later date. It would be even more important to equip the starbase, since the automatic equipment has always failed so far, and players only received garbage from the AI, and the AI empires weren't particularly better. It was claimed that there were blueprints for starbases? I don't mean the megastructure.

does it matter? you can always modify your defense platforms, the main bastion is kinda just there for auras

 

[Critical Ethics]

does it matter? you can always modify your defense platforms, the main bastion is kinda just there for auras

Even ignoring that the answer to "Does it matter that the automatic weighting is garbage at building <thing>" is obviously "yes", we'd also like the ability to preplan the base part of stations so you don't need to tell a new end game bastion that it's a new end game bastion five times with multi year wait periods in between.

 

[FlyingPhoenix]

Even ignoring that the answer to "Does it matter that the automatic weighting is garbage at building <thing>" is obviously "yes", we'd also like the ability to preplan the base part of stations so you don't need to tell a new end game bastion that it's a new end game bastion five times with multi year wait periods in between.

Additionally, you should be able to retrofit stations, and queueing construction on them should be much more user friendly than it currently is. There is no earthly reason why you shouldn't be able to queue up an outpost to citadel including all starbase modules and buildings in one hit.

 

[T5_k]

Even ignoring that the answer to "Does it matter that the automatic weighting is garbage at building <thing>" is obviously "yes", we'd also like the ability to preplan the base part of stations so you don't need to tell a new end game bastion that it's a new end game bastion five times with multi year wait periods in between.

Additionally, you should be able to retrofit stations, and queueing construction on them should be much more user friendly than it currently is. There is no earthly reason why you shouldn't be able to queue up an outpost to citadel including all starbase modules and buildings in one hit.

This has all been promised a while back, but as usual no eta. I hope it comes soon

 

[MarkDey]

A Civilian stratum has been added to represent the masses that do not generally contribute to the empire’s military economy.

That's a helpful clarification! Makes it easier for me to understand the naming choice, and it also helps frame the player-built economy to clearly distinguish that it's in support of the military-industrial complex, and not necessarily a total picture of all transactions that happen in an empire.

 

[Arkarnia]

does it matter? you can always modify your defense platforms, the main bastion is kinda just there for auras

its a bug wich must be repaired. Regardless of whether I use platforms or not, the base should work properly and I want to have full capacity of the base itself even without platforms, even if the bug prevents this so far

 

[zombiezome1444]

In my incredibly professional opinion, Wilderness Empires should be more likely to roll Symbiont because animals.

 

[Miuramir]

Question, how much does a pop group grows each month? I ask because IF, lets say each group grows a base of one pop per month (as an example), then nations with many species will be crazy OP in comparison with single species ones. This would make single species runs very bad and unpractical.

So, details in this?

As we understand it from previous dev comments, planets don't grow pops, pops grow pops. And there is no base growth.

If you have 100 pops of type X, and they have a growth factor of 2% over some period of time, at the end of that period you have 102 pops of that type. Each type is handled separately. Remember that 100 new pops roughly equal one old pop.

If you have a growth factor that doesn't result in at least one pop, it's treated as a percentage chance to roll for one more pop or not. So if you have 100 pops with an 0.5% growth factor, that would nominally be 100.5 pops; no fractional pops, so it's treated as a 0.5/1 = 50% chance to grow one pop (putting you at 101 of that type) or not (leaving you with 100 of that type). Over time this will average out to the same result.

What we don't know for sure (unless someone has an example from a recent stream) is what happens if you have, say, 1.5%. Is that 1 pop (round down), 1 pop plus a 50% chance of a second (what I hope is the case), or 2 pops (round up)?

Note that in the beta, this meant that new planets grow very slowly on their own; you really need to get the masses of thousands of minimally-contributing civilian pops moved off your homeworld onto the new colonies by one means or another.

"A new life awaits you in the Off-world colonies. The chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure."

 

[Ilab]

As we understand it from previous dev comments, planets don't grow pops, pops grow pops. And there is no base growth.

If you have 100 pops of type X, and they have a growth factor of 2% over some period of time, at the end of that period you have 102 pops of that type. Each type is handled separately. Remember that 100 new pops roughly equal one old pop.

If you have a growth factor that doesn't result in at least one pop, it's treated as a percentage chance to roll for one more pop or not. So if you have 100 pops with an 0.5% growth factor, that would nominally be 100.5 pops; no fractional pops, so it's treated as a 0.5/1 = 50% chance to grow one pop (putting you at 101 of that type) or not (leaving you with 100 of that type). Over time this will average out to the same result.

What we don't know for sure (unless someone has an example from a recent stream) is what happens if you have, say, 1.5%. Is that 1 pop (round down), 1 pop plus a 50% chance of a second (what I hope is the case), or 2 pops (round up)?

Note that in the beta, this meant that new planets grow very slowly on their own; you really need to get the masses of thousands of minimally-contributing civilian pops moved off your homeworld onto the new colonies by one means or another.

"A new life awaits you in the Off-world colonies. The chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure."

Well, not exactly. First, about your question, they said that partial growth will work as a chance. So if you had a growth modifier that is not enough to make an entire pop, then there is a chance, equal to that value, that the pop is created next month. I am sure they said it, but don't recall if it was on a stream or the forums, I do think it was a DD though.

Back to the not exactly part. Things like Cloning will add a flat increase to pop growth as said (and shown) by the devs in the stream. Even if you don't go all in in cloning, some earlier decisions will make the jobs add smaller growth, +1 if I remember correctly, and it said to each group.

So, judging by that information there is some form of contradiction there, yes they initially said what you are saying now, but what they showed on said streams seems to suggest that multi species growth will be stronger because of what I said earlier.

I am also very worried about the entire thing because lots of people have asked over several DDs about how does growth works now, and the devs have avoided explaining it to anyone that has asked so far, so it seems odd. Also, the management tab is (was?) very bad at conveying this information, adding to my doubts on the topic.

 

[Ilab]

IIRC there is a "pop growth speed"/planet that gets split across different species, so effectively the pop growth on a planet with one species is the same as pop growth on a planet with 100 species. So all the 100 species grow at the same time, but each 100x slower than if there were a single species.

I hope that makes sense, if not, it will when 4.0 drops

Hi, that's what I initially thought, but after seeing the stream where they showcased pop assembly, it seems that the assembly was added to pop groups and not the planet itself, which would indeed make multispecies stronger. That is why I am asking.

Perhaps they are just detaching both mechanics, in which case then assembly would need another pass I suppose. Or perhaps it changed since the stream. In any case, that is why I have some doubts.

 

[Ilab]

There’s no base growth, it all seems to be %. If you have 100 pops of the same species with a 2% growth rate it will be the same as having ten groups of 10 pops with a 2% growth rate.

Yup, that is the case with %, but not with +X increases (flat ones) am talking pop assembly here. In a stream pop assembly was being added to pop groups, so more pop groups meant more growth. That is what I am asking here.

 

[T5_k]

Yup, that is the case with %, but not with +X increases (flat ones) am talking pop assembly here. In a stream pop assembly was being added to pop groups, so more pop groups meant more growth. That is what I am asking here.

Well, I guess we'll find out monday

 

[talented_progenitor]

Hi, that's what I initially thought, but after seeing the stream where they showcased pop assembly, it seems that the assembly was added to pop groups and not the planet itself, which would indeed make multispecies stronger. That is why I am asking.

Perhaps they are just detaching both mechanics, in which case then assembly would need another pass I suppose. Or perhaps it changed since the stream. In any case, that is why I have some doubts.

I believe organic pop assembly is now treated as bonus growth and split across eligible pop groups

 

[TeHb Z Shadow]

I have question (may be there is already answer but i didn't recognize it):
In 3.14 i can have 25 my Main pops and 7*25 other pops (200 in total). I can restrict the growth of all others and all my planets grow only my Main species. Let's say I get +1 Main pop each 4 years.

In 4.0 will I be able to restrict pop growth of other 7 races and gain full growth speed for my Main pops? Or the only thing is, does it matter how many exactly this pop i have? So will my pops grow 8 times slower (25 pops against 200 pops)? +1 Main pop each 32 years?

 

[tassadar_4]

so the new crise is just a very very hungry boi?