Tinto Flavour #11 - 21st of March 2025 - Ethiopia

[Oglesby]

• Like that the flag is being held square. Does look like there is some motion to it, but that is fine.
• There feels to be no connection between background and foreground. This still feels like someone is using a random background image for their zoom call.
• the placement of the 3d model with this background doesn't appear to be following any image composition rules.
• Move the model more to the left and compose it more as a portrait instead of landscape.
• Add or move information to a location under the flag to take up the now unused space. Even if this was just the leader name stacked over the leader crest and stats and increasing the size of the flag it might work.
• The room/clothing doesn't fit well for the region that is being represented.

• Why do we need both the icon in the title and a full line of words to indicate that this is 'available in the Age of Traditions"? Just use the icon
• Swap the position of Cawa Units Regular Regiment with Allows to match whqt you do with "Coffee Output" in Origin of Coffee advance or "Can Recruit Regiments Here" in Cawa Barracks.
• The same with Cawa Barracks and Unlocks.
• (Why would anyone recruit the Arq.s over the Units as they just eat more and cost more maintenance? And technically carry less food. At least the Column gets more Combat power, but eats even more [4.0 vs 6.5] and carries even less [4.8 vs 0.6].)

• Move the Age icon to the title block to declutter the pop-type line
• Change subtitle to "Building Type | Offensive" to match Unit Type tooltip and remove the banner for the pop-type line to reduce clutter.
• Use this manpower on the Unit Type tooltips instead of the two person one to help differentiate between the soldier pop-type and the manpower and sailor pools while still keeping them somewhat connected.
• The other "Monthly ________" modifiers use the Calendar page icon modifier in the lower right, why doesn't this one?
• I think the 'Here' and the 'map PoI' secondary icon modifier is redundant unless there is going to be a can recruit anywhere modifier.
• Why did we revert the removal of the heavy blemishes from the background of the goods tiles?
• Shouldn't "Building Costs" be singular as it the title of a singular item (the cost of the building)?
• Why do we use lists for the Requirements for Construction and tiles for Production Methods?

• I think it is funny that you go through all this effort to dress the 3d model and then basically cover the body section with the crest and two banners.
• The 3d meelple and the background image do not feel connected. The background has effects that make it look like a painting while the meeple is attempting to appear real. Is this guy standing in a museum?
• I have no clue what the background image has to do with 'A Wandering Count' (same all the events shown in this TF)
• I think it is supposed to be 'cared for by' not 'cared by'

• Is 'where the military should be rallied to in case a war breaks out' just fluff or part of a mechanic? please tell me it is just fluff.
• Does one have to move the court with each ruler? or can you reap the benefit without a real penalty?

• Don't use + and - when you 'lose' and 'gain'. Losing a negative number would a gain. Also with the estates is should be loses and gains.
• Is there some other Satisfaction? Do we need to spell out it is 'estate satisfaction'?
  • Our Kahenat loses 15.00% Satisfaction

• Remove the line "This is a Policy of the Legal Code Law" and instead change the susbtitle to "Policy | Legal Code"
• Why is is the "Clergy Estate Satisfaction" but not the "Clergy Estate Power"?

• Not going to repeat the generic suggestions from the building above but this one added more concerns.
• Commit to Max or Maximum, both are currently being used in modifiers; I would prefer 'maximum'.
• For "Max Literacy for Clergy" I would swap the position of the Clergy icon and the literacy icon. So it would be Literacy base icon, Maximum modifier (LR), and Clergy secondary qualifier (UL).
• Why are we using the pop icon and the estate icon for Clergy in the "Modifier" icons?
• Why would I use the first production method, when the second one is less (0.05 glass, 0.1 beer, 0.05 bee products)
• Why do 3rd when 5th is the same items at lesser quantity?

Again feel like I am repeating myself, but trying to express my concerns even though it is WiP.

 

[Ekyman]

Also with the estates is should be loses and gains.

It should be “lose” and “gain” as they have it now, assuming the estate names here are plural or collective just as the default ones are.

Is there some other Satisfaction? Do we need to spell out it is 'estate satisfaction'?

• Our Kahenat loses 15.00% Satisfaction

Pops have satisfaction. And considering that I think it should always be spelled out in full for the sake of consistency and clarity, even if we can tell from context that this one is estate satisfaction.

 

[yangzilata]

I hate the ai slop you post here. I don't want to sound mean but at least proof read what you prompt and edit it down. I actually don't bother read anything you post anymore. It doesn't even sound like you even put any thought into this and machine translated this like you claimed in another thread.

Honestly, I haven't seen anyone mix the Anschluss vibe with Coptic religion and Muhammad Ali Pasha's era into a rebellion/diplomatic move—except for the usual Austria-Germany comparisons. Every time I come up with an alt-history idea like this, I get baseless accusations that it’s AI-generated, as if I didn’t even read my own post. What's up with that? Does Gen Z really have zero imagination, or are some of you just dismissing stuff without even giving it a chance? That really bums me out, because it makes me wonder if this forum is even worth sharing ideas anymore.

Anyway, since forum rules say we need to keep it friendly, I'm going to be as firm as possible with this tactless guy. I spent 30 minutes putting together this unique angle—merging the Anschluss concept with Coptic elements during Muhammad Ali Pasha's reign—and I stand by it. If you've got real feedback, I'm all ears. But if you're just gonna dismiss it on baseless grounds, then that's your loss.

 

[Oglesby]

It should be “lose” and “gain” as they have it now, assuming the estate names here are plural or collective just as the default ones are.

The Clergy loses... ( I guess this is wrong but it sounds right)
The Nobles lose...
The Noble estate loses...?

Pops have satisfaction. And considering that I think it should always be spelled out in full for the sake of consistency and clarity, even if we can tell from context that this one is estate satisfaction.

I would say then "Our Clergy Estate lose(s) 15.00% Satisfaction". To me it is the Satisfaction of the Clergy Estate, not the Estate Satisfaction of the Clergy. (* you have me doubting the s now)

Also why not the same rule for estate power?

 

[livebythecreed77]

Honestly, I haven't seen anyone mix the Anschluss vibe with Coptic religion and Muhammad Ali Pasha's era into a rebellion/diplomatic move—except for the usual Austria-Germany comparisons. Every time I come up with an alt-history idea like this, I get baseless accusations that it’s AI-generated, as if I didn’t even read my own post. What's up with that? Does Gen Z really have zero imagination, or are some of you just dismissing stuff without even giving it a chance? That really bums me out, because it makes me wonder if this forum is even worth sharing ideas anymore.

Anyway, since forum rules say we need to keep it friendly, I'm going to be as firm as possible with this tactless guy. I spent 30 minutes putting together this unique angle—merging the Anschluss concept with Coptic elements during Muhammad Ali Pasha's reign—and I stand by it. If you've got real feedback, I'm all ears. But if you're just gonna dismiss it on baseless grounds, then that's your loss.

The Ottoman governor/ruler of eygpt at the very end of the game and talking about Anschluss and "agitators" a vic 3 mechanic. Yeah really sounds like my loss terribly devastated in fact!

 

[Ekyman]

The Clergy loses... ( I guess this is wrong but it sounds right)
The Nobles lose...
The Noble estate loses...?

The Clergy lose… (IMO, at least; I feel it tends to behave like “police” in that it takes a plural verb, perhaps it could take the singular as well but plural is certainly not wrong)
The Nobles lose…
The Nobility lose… (or loses, “the nobility” is a complicated phrase and you could probably get away with either)
The Commoners lose…
The Crown loses…
The Burghers lose…
The Noble Estate loses… (if they were to write it that way)

If we assume that the flavor estate names continue the standard of using a plural form, it should generally be “lose” unless someone is making a specific grammar point about the specific noun being used.

I would say then "Our Clergy Estate lose(s) 15.00% Satisfaction". To me it is the Satisfaction of the Clergy Estate, not the Estate Satisfaction of the Clergy. (* you have me doubting the s now)

That sounds pretty clunky to my ears tbh. And idk if it fixes anything - it’s already clear from context that we’re talking Estate Satisfaction; if they want to explicitly distinguish that from pop satisfaction for reasons of clarity or consistency or engine limitations they need to write the full thing.

The mechanic is Estate Satisfaction; we’re talking here about the Estate Satisfaction of the Clergy Estate. They don’t write it put that way because yuck.

Also why not the same rule for estate power?

I think it’s a valid argument that they should have symmetry between Estate Satisfaction and Estate Power.

 

[yangzilata]

The Ottoman governor/ruler of eygpt at the very end of the game and talking about Anschluss and "agitators" a vic 3 mechanic. Yeah really sounds like my loss terribly devastated in fact!

Before Victoria 3, we learned about the 'agitators' concept in school. It’s kinda like mixing the Anschluss idea with Muhammad Ali Pasha’s expansion. He set up his own khedivate, broke away from the Ottomans, and seriously challenged the Ottoman Sultan. His ambitions were stopped by foreign powers in western Anatolia. His armies even got pretty close to the Ottoman capital at one point. I honestly think there are some similar historical patterns to Hitler—wild, right?

Now, these ideas might sound like stuff from games like HOI4, but I’ve never played HOI4. I’ve only messed around with Vic 3 for a few hours since the military side isn’t really my thing. So, if you think my idea is just from GSG, it’s not. It’s based on what I learned in high school and my own research.

I hope this clears up what I’m trying to say. I really value these ideas and the whole alt-history thing, and I always appreciate genuine thoughts on this.

Also, think about it: our brains naturally link known ideas to create new stories. We can’t imagine something completely new because we build on what we already know. Like, we can’t fully picture what’s inside a black hole or at the edge of the universe. We just relate it to what we understand. That’s why using familiar ideas to build something new isn’t copying. It’s creative. So based on that, bro, ain’t it kinda crazy to expect someone to come up with something 100% new from stuff they don’t even know exists?

Check this out if you're interested in how ideas come to life through decompose/recompose It’s pretty interesting how creativity actually works.

In other words, mate, wouldn’t it be wild to expect a human to craft something completely new from stuff they don’t even have the slightest clue about? To imagine something they got zero way to relate to? Wouldn’t that be kinda harsh? I feel awful, ‘cause it’s like you expect me to do exactly that—when that’s literally scientifically impossible. Did you actually mean that?

I hope this shows you that drawing connections between ideas is a legit creative process. I’m open to feedback and any suggestions on how to improve this.

 

[livebythecreed77]

Before Victoria 3, we learned about the 'agitators' concept in school. It’s kinda like mixing the Anschluss idea with Muhammad Ali Pasha’s expansion. He set up his own khedivate, broke away from the Ottomans, and seriously challenged the Ottoman Sultan. His ambitions were stopped by foreign powers in western Anatolia. His armies even got pretty close to the Ottoman capital at one point. I honestly think there are some similar historical patterns to Hitler—wild, right?

Now, these ideas might sound like stuff from games like HOI4, but I’ve never played HOI4. I’ve only messed around with Vic 3 for a few hours since the military side isn’t really my thing. So, if you think my idea is just from GSG, it’s not. It’s based on what I learned in high school and my own research.

I hope this clears up what I’m trying to say. I really value these ideas and the whole alt-history thing, and I always appreciate genuine thoughts on this.

Also, think about it: our brains naturally link known ideas to create new stories. We can’t imagine something completely new because we build on what we already know. Like, we can’t fully picture what’s inside a black hole or at the edge of the universe. We just relate it to what we understand. That’s why using familiar ideas to build something new isn’t copying. It’s creative. So based on that, bro, ain’t it kinda crazy to expect someone to come up with something 100% new from stuff they don’t even know exists?

In other words, mate, wouldn’t it be wild to expect a human to craft something completely new from stuff they don’t even have the slightest clue about? To imagine something they got zero way to relate to? Wouldn’t that be kinda harsh? I feel awful, ‘cause it’s like you expect me to do exactly that—when that’s literally scientifically impossible. Did you actually mean that?

I hope this shows you that drawing connections between ideas is a legit creative process. I’m open to feedback and any suggestions on how to improve this.

With all that text the best you can come up with is Ali Pasha is some what like Hitler? That's honestly just beyond stupid.

 

[yangzilata]

That's honestly just beyond stupid.

I get you don’t agree with my comparison, but calling it 'beyond stupid' kinda hurts, honestly. Can we maybe keep it a bit more respectful?

I really put some thought into this post, and I’m just trying to start a conversation. It feels like you’re only focusing on my comparison without trying to understand the idea behind it. At this point, I’d also love to know what kind of elements make alternative history cool or creative to you? Like, what things make it seem pointless or absurd?

 

[livebythecreed77]

I get you don’t agree with my comparison, but calling it 'beyond stupid' kinda hurts, honestly. Can we maybe keep it a bit more respectful?

I really put some thought into this post, and I’m just trying to start a conversation. It feels like you’re only focusing on my comparison without trying to understand the idea behind it. At this point, I’d also love to know what kind of elements make alternative history cool or creative to you? Like, what things make it seem pointless or absurd?

Its a void comparison, not applicable in any way whatsoever.

Alt history is fine if plausible but using terms to describe a war that mostly only took place in the last 1% of the game as Anschluss and Ali Pasha as Hitler is just beyond ridiculous. It's not even a comparison.

Sure why not give the zulus nuclear technology they are just like Xi Jingping and are doing a belt and road initiative. Do you not see how stupid that sounds?

 

[yangzilata]

Its a void comparison, not applicable in any way whatsoever.

Alt history is fine if plausible but using terms to describe a war that mostly only took place in the last 1% of the game as Anschluss and Ali Pasha as Hitler is just beyond ridiculous. It's not even a comparison.

Sure why not give the zulus nuclear technology they are just like Xi Jingping and are doing a belt and road initiative. Do you not see how stupid that sounds?

Comparing him to Hitler wasn’t the best choice. What I actually meant was leaders who rose from nothing, took over a struggling state, and reshaped it—like Napoleon. But even then, Muhammad Ali never got that far ‘cause outside powers shut him down before he could really change the Ottoman Empire. So that part falls apart too.

Alright, I’m dropping this idea. It seemed solid at first, but after talking it through, I get why it doesn’t really work.
calling it an Anschluss-type thing was a reach. Anschluss was more of a political union, while Muhammad Ali Pasha straight-up fought his way to power. Not the same at all.

Then there’s the big thing nobody mentioned—Muhammad Ali Pasha wasn’t even Coptic. Kinda kills the whole angle. If someone had pointed that out earlier, I would’ve rethought it way sooner.
Basically, I see why this idea doesn’t hold up. Not every alt-history take works out, and that’s fine. Just hope you see where I was coming from.

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That said, you know Paradox literally made a DLC where the Inca invade Europe and colonize them, right? After seeing that, I feel like Paradox would’ve been cool with my idea, even though I’m abandoning it. As long as that DLC exists, crazy alt-history scenarios like this won’t stand out as much as people think.

 

[livebythecreed77]

Muhammad Ali Pasha wasn’t even Coptic

I wonder if there is a clue somewhere....

 

[Fer D Zero]

So any specific content for the Jews in the area like their is in EU?
Also see mention of the arc, any fancy stuff for a Jewish country that captures it?

 

[Aquila SPQR]

Damn, someone asked about AI generated texts and devs immediately went silent...

 

[Ispil]

Damn, someone asked about AI generated texts and devs immediately went silent...

They only post for, like, 2 hours after these threads get made.

Do we seriously need to have the "It was AI generated!!!!!!!!" bullshit for every single piece of content the developers put out?

As I said before and I'll say again, the only thing AI has achieved is that it has made everyone stupider.

 

[livebythecreed77]

Damn, someone asked about AI generated texts and devs immediately went silent...

Remember when everyone accused the devs of using AI image generation for some pieces of art and that also turned out to not be true. Time is a flat circle.

 

[Aquila SPQR]

They only post for, like, 2 hours after these threads get made.

Do we seriously need to have the "It was AI generated!!!!!!!!" bullshit for every single piece of content the developers put out?

As I said before and I'll say again, the only thing AI has achieved is that it has made everyone stupider.

It was a joke. Probably difficult to spot if its not funny

 

[Ispil]

It was a joke. Probably difficult to spot if its not funny

I'll admit, I'm too used to people saying that sorta stuff here with actual intent that it can be hard to see when it's just a joke.

 

[cjclark430]

Im pretty sure Ifat should be smaller and should be apart of Ethiopia
Afar was attacked in 1319 and should be called of Dankali
Ethiopia should have more land (in this the locations are Nekemte, Gimbi, Guba, Gilges Beles, Chilga, Al-Rusayrid & Fazughli & everything south of Asmara and Massawa including Asmara)

Source: The Glorious Conquest of Amde Tysion

 

[Bahr Negus Yohannes]

I appreciate the update on Medieval Ethiopia, but I'm assuming the representation of the Emperor in this clothing is because it's a placeholder? Because I doubt that's how the emperor looked or dressed.

This is how the Abyssinian Rulers depicted themselves:
Yekuno Amlak (late 13th century )

Emperor Zara Yaqob (Around The 15th Century )

And Various Nobles Throughout History At War:

Foreign Sources such as Marco Palo depicted the Emperor Yagbe'u Seyon (late 13th century AD) at battle in the following: