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Tinto Flavour #14 - 17th of April 2025 - The Papal States

Hello, and welcome to another session of our Tinto Flavour. This week we are continuing with the Christian Easter feel by taking a look at the Papal States.

Since its creation by the hand of Saint Peter himself, the Catholic Church has been guiding all of humanity to salvation through the ages, thanks to the leadership of the bishop of Rome, the Pope.

Starting with the Donation of Pepin, the blessed Papal States were created to both govern and help the faithful. However, the last decades have been a constant struggle as the death of Pope Bonifatius VIII Gaetani Aquila forced the relocation of the court to the exclave of Avignon, as the Papacy fell under the influence of King Philippe IV the Fair Capet, and its holdings in Italy were dominated by quarreling noble families.

What will the vicar of Christ do? Will he fully become a puppet of the Kingdom of France and allow the temporal rule over the spiritual? Or will he break free and rise to the position at the top of Creation that God himself intended for its Church?
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Let’s look at the country directly:
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As usual, consider all art as WIP.​

And here are the lands they have, taking into account that their capital is in Avignon, not in Rome.
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They start with a special government reform, unique to the Papacy:
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And they also have some special privileges, representing their division between their French and Italian holdings:
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And also a unique policy:
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They also have a work of art:
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And here are some of their unique advances:
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One particular characteristic of the Papacy is that their succession is not like the rest of the countries. As such, they have a special succession law:
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That makes it so that when a Pope dies, the country enters into a Papal Conclave Regency, and eventually it will be resolved with an event firing, where the player will be able to choose between some of the cardinals available.
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Here are some more events available to the Papacy:
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Giving access to this special building:
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And events for some special individuals:
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I’m sure this last one will have no repercussions whatsoever…​

There’s also some events about some famous "refurbishings":
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… and much more, but that is all we will show for today. Next week we will go to the military branch of Christianity by taking a look at the Military Orders of the Teutonic & Livonian Orders and Knights Hospitallers. See you there.
 
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Does "disallow diplomatic subjugation" refer specifically to negotiated formation of a subject relationship via the diplomatic menu, or does this also apply to forcing them to become a subject via a peace treaty?
 
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This seems really cool, are there any events regarding the interaction with theocratic governments in europe?

Also really love the UI in the event, hoping the rest of the UI will follow such style!
 
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Are there any plans on letting the Papal States have some content related to unifying Italy? If so, then I hope it's something slightly less silly than the Kingdom of God formable in (the entirely unrelated game) EU4.
 
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Not having received a response in the dedicated Tinto Maps, I'm rewriting here my proposal that Orvieto should be a playable tag!
You can find my post with all the information here:
Francy2803 said:
Orvieto should be a playable tag!

In line with what was supported by "Flying Roman", all the locations in the Central-Apennine area of the Papal Possessions should be independent, i.e. the provinces of the game called "Perugia" and "Spoleto", such as Viterbo, Assisi, Todi, Narni but also for example Foligno, not present as a territory in the game, and located between Assisi and Spoleto, and Orvieto, the topic of this Post (All the following municipalities were part of the Guelph League).

Orvieto (transposition into imaginative medieval Italian of the Latin "Urbevetus" or Old Town), already known in Gothic times as a formidable fortress (the city is located on a large spur of tuff where it dominates the entire territory), included in the Lombard Tuscia and then in the various imperial donations to the Patrimony of San Pietro, it officially became an independent municipality in 1157, when Pope Adrian IV, the Englishman, stayed there to await the arrival of Emperor Frederick Barbarossa, and, in line with the municipal governments of the time , from 1157 Orvieto was governed by Two Consuls who, in this case, swore loyalty to the Pope and his successors in the guise of Vassals. From this moment Orvieto will begin a process of territorial expansion in all directions, subjugating or purchasing, initially its own countryside, but then the localities of Chiusi, Marsciano, and the County of Soana, later known as the County of Pitigliano, with the strategic port of Orbetello ("Orvietellus" The Little City, translated by many as Little Orvieto), arriving to count in the period of its maximum expansion, i.e. from 1313 to 1337, more than thirty thousand inhabitants in the fortress of the City alone (more populous than Rome and a third of that of Florence), and managing to deploy in 1335 against the rebellion of Guido Orsini, count of Soana, around 5500 men (800 crossbowmen, 150 knights, 800 infantrymen from the city, 3500 infantrymen from the countryside and 200 knights from the countryside ), with whom he regained full control of the county. Furthermore, from its fortress it dominates the Via Francigena and the Via Cassia, the two most important roads that led from Rome to Northern Europe.

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(The comune of Orvieto at its maximum expansion 1313)

The protagonists of this fortunate period of expansion were an infinite series of changes of alliances (initially allied with Siena, with which the Aldobrandesca County was divided in 1216, and then allied with its rival Florence in 1229 again for the county) wars (with Florence, Siena, Perugia, Todi, Viterbo and also with the Pope for the Control of the lands adjacent to Lake Bolsena) and types of governments (from the consulate to the government of the people, from the oligarchy to the lordship of Ermanno "Manno" Monaldeschi from 1334 to 1337 with the natural death of Manno) which made the rise of Orvieto a vivid example of the rapid rise of a medieval municipality. With Manno's death in July 1337, his son Corrado and his brother Beltramo, bishop of Orvieto, failed to grasp Manno's political legacy, dragging Orvieto into a bloody family war between the various branches of the Monaldeschi, and thus creating a rapid political instability and combined with the very serious plague epidemic of 1348, led to the dismemberment of its territories, the temporary occupation of the Visconti 1352, and the destruction of the municipality in 1354 with the conquest of Cardinal Egidio Albornoz during his campaign for control of the church's territories.

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(The Aldobrandesca county in 1216 which will then be divided between Siena, Orvieto and the Pope.)

Bibliography:

- Orvieto Medievale, Waley
- Orvieto nel Medioevo, Lattanzi
-Conflitti di Popolo, Poggi

I am available for any information or clarification ;)

(P.S. Orvieto is a playable tag in all three starting dates of Crusader Kings 3)
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Galileo Galilei wasn't imprisoned because his ideas could reach the public,many clergymen including initially the Pope supported his research,he ended up being imprisoned because he insulted the Pope in his books portraying him as an idiot
The Pope got offended and used heresy as an excuse,his ideas were never hated or considered problematic by the majority of the holy see
 
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