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Tinto Flavour #8 - 28th of February 2025 - Morocco

Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Flavour, the happy Fridays where we take a look at the flavourish content of the super-secret Project Caesar!

Today we will take a look at the Sultanate of Morocco! So let’s start without further ado:

"The Maghreb has seen many dynasties pass by and one powerful Sultanate after another, such as those of the Idrisids, the Almoravids, or the Almohads. The years of instability and uncertainty are a thing of the past under the Marinid dynasty and Sultan Abu Al-Hasan 'Ali ibn 'Othman Marinid. With a delicate balance between brute force and diplomacy, we have managed to establish firm control within our borders. Now, we look to the east to challenge the power of the Zayyanid of Tlemcen. And, to the north, we have a foothold over the Strait of Gibraltar, in the lands from Algeciras to Ronda, from where we may support our brothers of faith in Granada, in a common effort against the Christian rulers of Iberia."
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Please take the UI, 2D and 3D art as WIP, as usual.​

Here are the lands of Morocco:
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You may notice some arrows in a sea zone, that indicates the oceanic currents and wind directions. These visuals were recently implemented, so take them as WIP.​

Morocco starts with a fairly interesting diplomatic situation:
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Tafilalt is a vassal subject, ruled by Omar Abu ‘Ali, brother of the Sultan. Castile and Tlemcen and enemies and rivals, Tunis is an ally, and Morocco starts at war with Tlemcen.​

Morocco has a few starting estate privileges, including these:
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Waqf Payments is a privilege granted to the clergy, available to all Muslim countries.

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This privilege will be granted to the Tribes if your country has its capital in the Maghreb region, making it much more powerful (which has its uses), but reducing your control.​

The Parliament has a flavour name, as usual:
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Morocco also has some starting works of art:
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Unique advances in all the different ages:
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This is an advance for Maghrebi countries.

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And something a bit different compared to previous Tinto Flavour, unique buildings that are already unlocked at the start of the game:
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Let’s move now to the narrative content. This event will trigger early on in the game:
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And also:
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Another early game event is:
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And a bit later, after 1350:
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Although there might also be some troubles:
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… And much more content, including mid-game one regarding the golden age of the Saadi dynasty… But that’s all for today! Next week we will be taking a look at the content for one my favourite countries to playtest, Hungary! Cheers!
 
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Pavía said:
Oh, we will talk about that, eventually, in the Tinto Flavour for Castile...

PS: I took a screenshot of the guy in the worst possible moment while blinking, lol.
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Slightly unrelated but I made a comment in the Iberia feedback were I pointed out how Granada's current borders aren't accurate for 1337 and mostly resemble the modern provincial borders. I understand that you probably don't want to make any further changes in the peninsula, but is there any chance you might tweaks granada's borders to make them more accurate?
 
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Al-Khalidi said:
So I understand that Morocco can form al-Andalus? What the ruler will be called, a caliph, like during Almohad era?

Also, slave raids will increase population, right?
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1. Yes, it's possible.
2. You're stealing population from other countries, yes.
 
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Al-Khalidi said:
Yes, and this could potentially create issues for some countries like Mughals (what if they are created by, say, Kartids?), Mamluks, etc?
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That's why we need to adjust a couple of things to have a proper balance between dynamic outcomes and flavour immersion. ;)
 
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Also, can I suggest an event representing the civil war early on between al-Hasan and his son abu Inan? It was the main thing that prevented the marinids to actually hold on to a unified maghreb so it seems kinda relevant.
 
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Thrudgelmir2333 said:
Also, Im surprised there isn't some more flavor directed at a in-depth Re-Reconquista. Is that entirely saved to just Granada?
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Unless I am misunderstanding I think the general inclination of Tinto(for good or ill) has been to not have "alt history" flavor, at least not on launch, so I doubt there'll be too much for a "re-reconquista" beyond just the ability to form Al-Andalus.
 
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Atromb said:
A few points:
-Marinid and Hafsid shouldn't be the dinastic name, that would be like making 'ottomans' the dinastic name of the ottmsn empire. The marinids surname should be banu marin and for the hafsids it should be al-Hafsiyun.
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That's something that is a problem, now that you mention it, because the Ottoman Empire is a modern historiographical standardization, as its official name was Devlet-i ʿAlīye-yi ʿOsmānīye, 'Sublime Ottoman State'; you might notice that the ʿOsmānīye particle relates to the House of Osman, which was in power during its entirety. But, what would happen if the dynasty becomes extinct? Should it still be called the same way? Or should it be called Devlet-i ʿAlīye-yi [New Dynasty Name here]?
 
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AHumpierRogue said:
Unless I am misunderstanding I think the general inclination of Tinto(for good or ill) has been to not have "alt history" flavor, at least not on launch, so I doubt there'll be too much for a "re-reconquista" beyond just the ability to form Al-Andalus.
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Oh, he just explained it'd be tackled in the Castille DD
 
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Thrudgelmir2333 said:
Mm, okay, but hopefully matters in the game regarding the final fate of Iberia arent solely a matter between Granada and Castille. Other crowns, including Navarre, should have storylines towards that, too.

When Andorra Reconquista, btw?
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Portugal, Morocco, and even Navarra are involved early on in the Battle of the Strait...
 
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SauronGorthaur said:
Are there any plans to highlight subjects of subjects of the target country on the diplomatic map in some way in that case?
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We want to make some improvements to the diplomatic map mode, this is a WIP version.
 
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benjaminoon said:
Is it possible to have a situation representing the Battle for the Strait between the Muslim and Christian powers of western North Africa and Iberia? Historically this was a century-long conflict over control of the Strait of Gibraltar and the culmination of this conflict would come in 1338-40 with the Moroccan invasion of Iberia and battle of Rio Salado. I think it would add a lot of early-game flavor to the region and drive conflict between the two sides as this invasion was certainly inevitable already by the start date of 1337. You can read my full Situation Suggestion here.
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Yes, we have content about this, OFC! :)
 
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Pavía said:
That's something that is a problem, now that you mention it, because the Ottoman Empire is a modern historiographical standardization, as its official name was Devlet-i ʿAlīye-yi ʿOsmānīye, 'Sublime Ottoman State'; you might notice that the ʿOsmānīye particle relates to the House of Osman, which was in power during its entirety. But, what would happen if the dynasty becomes extinct? Should it still be called the same way? Or should it be called Devlet-i ʿAlīye-yi [New Dynasty Name here]?
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I think the CK3 approach of having a standard (de jure) name for a region, alongside an Islamic-clan name of the dynasty as the country name could work.

e.g. the Kingdom of Syria (feudal, tribal) // the Abbasid Sultanate (clan).
 
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Pavía said:
That's something that is a problem, now that you mention it, because the Ottoman Empire is a modern historiographical standardization, as its official name was Devlet-i ʿAlīye-yi ʿOsmānīye, 'Sublime Ottoman State'; you might notice that the ʿOsmānīye particle relates to the House of Osman, which was in power during its entirety. But, what would happen if the dynasty becomes extinct? Should it still be called the same way? Or should it be called Devlet-i ʿAlīye-yi [New Dynasty Name here]?
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I would support calling it Sublime [new dinasty] state. In my opinion most islamic tags should work ck style with dinamic dinasty based namings.
 
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