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Hello everyone, and welcome to another Tinto Maps! We’re back after celebrating the most important victories over Germany and France since the 30 Years War a hard week of work, and we’re ready to share with you the region of the Syrian Levant & Egypt (actually, we’re revealing a bit more of what those regions would be, to cover the complete extension of the Mamlūk Sultanate). Let’s go!

Countries:
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The Mamlūk Sultanate is the main power of the region, a situation achieved after the defeat of the Mongols at the Battles of Ain Jalut and Marj al-Saffar, and the fall of Acre, the last stronghold of the Crusader states in Outremer. The latter's legacy is still handled by the Kingdom of Cyprus, ruled by Hugues IV of Lusignan. Apart from that, we can see the realm of Candia, a subject governed by the Serene Republic of Venice, and some Arabic tribes, such as the Hutaym and the Anizah. Oh, and also, to the south-west, you might have noticed some oases ruled by either the Mamluks, or Fezzan; I opted for not coloring the wastelands, as usual, but also the corridors, a type of terrain present in other GSGs, that we have in Project Caesar. I’ll talk more about them under the ‘Locations’ section of the DD, but I just want to note one more thing: the connection down the Nile is a regular one, with a border existing between the Mamluks and Makuria (the country that controls the small chunk of land at the very south of the image).

Dynasties:
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The Bahri Mamluks have ruled the Sultanate since they deposed the Ayyubids, almost a century before the start of the game. It could maybe be a bit more accurate to depict Sultan al-Nasir Muhammad as an ibn Qalawun (‘of the lineage of Qalawun’), but the dynastical dynamics of the Mamluk rulers are not so easy to portray, so we opted for the moment to better use Bahriyya. Apart from that, you may also see the neighboring dynasties, such as the already-mentioned House of Lusignan, or the Hethumian of Cilicia.

Locations:
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Here you can see the locations of the entire region, and also closer chunks behind the ‘Spoiler’ button. The most interesting feature to talk about is that of the corridors, something that some of you might remember from ‘Imperator: Rome’, but also something new to the rest. The corridors are empty locations, with no population or resources, but that allows connection between the locations at their sides, for some mechanics that we’ve already mentioned (market access, control), and some others that we haven’t (army movement). This is the way that we’ve chosen to portray the Saharan corridors, that allow for a connection between the Maghreb and the Mashreq, and Western and Central Africa. There are also some regular locations over those corridors, with population, resources, etc., that can be controlled by countries, which portray the desert oases that made for important outposts in the different Saharan routes. Not all the connections are throughout corridors, though; outside of the image, the Nile River valley allows for regular locations all the way down from Egypt to Nubia, the last location held by the Mamluks being that of Aswan, while the first held by Makuria, not shown in the screenshot, being Qasr Ibrim. We will talk more about Nubia and Ethiopia in a future Tinto Maps.

Provinces:
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Usual provinces mapmode; please let us know of any spelling or naming suggestions that come to your mind.

Areas:
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A new mapmode that has been requested in previous Tinto Maps, and that we’re now incorporating.

Terrain:
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The climate is dominated by a mix of Mediterranean, Arid, and Cold Arid. The topography of the region is quite flat, with some hills and mountains on Mount Lebanon and Anti-Lebanon, Mount Sinai, and the verge of the Arabian plateau; and some marshland over the Nile Delta, of course. Regarding the vegetation, desert and sparse vegetation dominate most of the region, with some woods and forests over Levant, and the Nile fertile farmlands, the bread basket of the Eastern Mediterranean.

Cultures:
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Here starts the fun… Those countries ruling over the Middle East will face the challenge of managing several different cultural minorities. Libyan, Egyptian, Sa'idi, Bedouin, Ḥijāzī, Najidi (the green one to their right), Levantine, and Iraqi (the light blue at the top right of the picture) are all different regional cultures of Arabic-speaking people. Something interesting is that most of Bedouin pops are tribesmen, instead of peasants, portraying their traditional social organization. Coming to important minority groups, Coptic people are quite important in Egypt, accounting for about 10% of the population of the Mamlūk Sultanate. The other important minority are the Syriacs, as they also account for another 10% of the population, and are a cultural majority in a few locations. Apart from those, there are also Armenians, Kurds, and Turkomans on the divide between Anatolia, Syria, and Jazira, Alawites Shiites in Syria, Mizrahi Jews all over the region, Samaritans in Palestine, and Greeks in Crete, Cyprus, and some in Alexandria. Oh, also the Saharan cultures of the Eastern Berbers and the Toubou over some of the Saharan oases.

Religions:
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More fun. In this region, we have:
  • Sunni Muslims
  • Miaphysite Christians
  • Orthodox Christians
  • Shia Muslims
  • Catholic Christians
  • Druzes
  • Jews
  • Nestorian Christians (the ‘label’ we’re using to depict the Church of the East)
  • Samaritans
  • Yazidi

Relating these religions to the previous cultures, we can tell you most of the Arabic-speaking cultures are Sunni Muslims, with some Shia Muslims in Syria and Lebanon. Most of the Coptic are Miaphysite, adhering to the Patriarchate of Alexandria, although some of there still follow the Orthodoxy of Constantinople. The Syriacs are also religiously divided, with some being Nestorians (the current name we have to cover the confessions related to the Church of the East), some Miaphysites, some Orthodox, and even some Catholics in Lebanon. And then we have some cultural-religious minorities, such as the Alawite Shiites, the Druzes (which are of Levantine culture), the Mizrahi Jews, the Samaritans, and the Yazidi (which are of Kurd culture).


Raw Materials:
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There are some materials that are more unique to this region, such as the Dates in the arid fringes. The Nile Valley and Delta are incredibly fertile, having plenty of different crops: Wheat, Rice, Legumes, Sugar, Cotton, Fiber Crops (=Linen), etc. Livestock, Wool, and Horses are also important resources for the people across the region. There are also some metals present in the region, such as Copper in Cyprus and around the Red Sea, Iron, Tin, some Lead, and some interesting sources of Alum.

Markets:
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The main market centers of the region are Alexandria (yeah, it’s there! I’ve already reported its weird name-wrapping and one of our programmers is going to take a look at it) for the Mashreq, Damascus for the Syrian Levant and Mecca for the Hejaz.

Country and Location Population:
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The population of the region points to Egypt being its powerhouse, with several million people being supported being the Nile Valley and Delta. Apart from that, the Syrian Levant has a very decent population, making the Mamlūk Sultanate a dreadful rival to have in 1337. The arid fringes make for a way more difficult food production and population sustainability, making them more of strategic value, by their position, resources, etc.

And that’s all for today! Next week @Johan will show you Scandinavia, the very first map that was crafted for Project Caesar! Cheers!
 
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Question: As the copts are an ethno-religious population. How do assimilation and conversion work? If a pop converts as a copt to sunni islam, does the pop instantly switch to egyptian? Likewise in reverese if I an egyptian becomes a coptic christian are they converted to being copts?
We don't have currently separate mechanics for ethnoreligious populations, as that's kind of difficult to portray, on several conceptual levels.
 
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"Next week @Johan will show you Scandinavia, the very first map that was crafted for Project Caesar!"

Someone is very carefully avoiding HRE.
'The final map boss', as someone has nicknamed it?
 
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10% Is the portion of the Egyptian population that's Coptic often cited for the modern day. Was that population really stable enough to remain the same 700 years ago?
10% of the population of the region, which includes the Syrian Levant; I would have to make the exact numbers for Egypt, but it's more than 10% in Egypt alone.
 
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How will Holy Sites and the Pilgrimages to the Holy sites be presented in game?
I would assume holding Mecca would generate a lot of income due to Pilgrims visiting it every year from around the world, or Christian Pilgrims visiting Jerusalem.
And would our Rulers get events related to going to Hajj (Pilgrimage to Mecca)?
That's a matter of future Tinto Talks.
 
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Your Arabic romanization is all over the place.... you seem to use both ⟨j⟩ and ⟨ǧ⟩ for the ج sound for instance. It's imperative you guys pick just one standard and stick with it imo. ALA-LC or the British Standard is my recommendation.

I'd recommend renaming "Egyptian" and "Ṣa‘īdī" to "Lower Egyptian" and "Upper Egyptian", more intuitive to westerners. Alternatively you could rename "Egyptian" to "Masri". Also, is Coptic culture grouped in with the Arabs? The other Christian Mashriqis? The Greeks in a repeat of the "Byzantine" culture group?

The Western Oases region should be part of the Cyrenaica area, it looks really weird as part of Upper Egypt here, and besides, it has a lot more in common culturally with Cyrenaica in various aspects.

I prefer "Syria" to "Levant" at this time, more historically accurate, but assuming that Areas have dynamic naming, then the Levant should be called Ash-Shām, no? There should also be some Levantine Catholic pops in Cyprus representing its oft-forgotten third major ethnic community: the Lebanese Cypriots!
Thanks for the feedback! Regarding the Arabic romanization, we're working to adapt it, as by the time we made the map, we didn't have the proper characters fully in place; so please take it as a work in progress.
 
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What hapenned to this week feedback it should be yesterday??
There isn't a fixed date for the Tinto Maps Review posts, as some regions take more time than others, and we've also entered the summer period, so people have vacations, etc.
 
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Since monuments aren’t a thing in PC, will Holy Sites (Masjid al-Haram, Temple Mount or Church of Holy Sepulcher) be represented as Special Buildings or Location Modifiers?
Holy Sites are a feature of Project Caesar, which we'll explain more in detail in future Tinto Talks.
 
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How are the Maronites represented? Just normal Catholics, or something else?

Really hoping for a proper representation of Eastern Catholicism!
Currently, they're Catholics, yes:
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What happened to Cyprus' beautiful yellow-like color?

Also, is this the thread for some Aegaen feedback? ;)
Better use last week's Tinto Maps, please. ;)
 
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Quick question!
I love the oasis, and the open space around them, but it seems to me that the "desert bridges" between them is blending into the political mapmode a little too well.

Is that just these pictures, or maybe a setting to increase the visibility of them? Cause I could see that being a little annoying trying to see where you're pathing
It's easier to differentiate it at a closer zoom level, at which you would actually be more likely moving your armies:
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