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Tinto Maps #14 - 9th of August 2024 - Western Africa

Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Maps, the day of the week for map nerds lovers! This week we will be taking a look at Western Africa! These lands were named historically in different ways, although probably the most widespread naming was Guinea, which also names the Gulf that makes for the southern limit of the region, with the Atlantic Ocean being to the west, the Sahara desert to the north, and the lands around Lake Chad making for the approximate eastern border.

With these regions, we’re also leaving the ‘Easy Mode Map-Making’ of Project Caesar, as getting comprehensive sources of information for 1337 for most of Sub-Saharan Africa is challenging, as the traditional historical record was oral, in contrast with the written records usual in Eurasia. In any case, we did our best to depict the rich history and geography of the region and its diversity, which is stunning. Let’s start, then!

Countries:
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The most important country, and one of the world's great powers, is the Empire of Mali, which in 1337 is at its zenit, still ruled by the infamous Mansa Mūsā. It controls not only the core lands of the Mandé-speaking peoples, but also holds the overlordship over Jolof, most of the fertile Niger river basin, and some of the most important Saharan outposts. To its south-east, the Mossi are organized in several polities (Ougadagou, Gwiriko, Yatenga, Boussouma, Tenkodogo, and Liptako). South into the coast, Kong, Dagbon, Bonoman, and Mankessim are polities ruled by the Dyula, the Dagbani, and the Akan (the last two). To the east, Fada N’gourma, Borgu, and Mamprugu connect with the lands of the Hausa, which rule from several city-states: Kebbi, Gobir, Zafara, Katsina, Daura, Kano, Rano, and Zazzau. Further to the east, the Empire of Kanem rules the lands around Lake Chad from its capital in Njimi, and over some of the Saharan corridors, making it the region's second wealthiest country. And finally, further to the south, there are the lands of the Nupe, the Yoruba (Oyo, Ife, Ijebu, Owo), the Edo (Benin), and the Igbo (Nri).

Dynasties:
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The dynasties of the region are a mix of well-known ones, such as the Keita of Mali, the Ndiaye of Jolof, or the Sayfawa of Kanem, and randomly generated ones for the rest of the polities, as we don’t have good enough sources on who was ruling over most of them in 1337.

Locations:
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The locations of Western Africa. We’ve tried our best to find suitable locations, correct naming, etc., although I’m sure there might be plenty of feedback to apply.

Provinces:
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Areas:
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Terrain:
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This week we have proper Terrain mapmodes at the release of the Tinto Maps… Not much to say about them, though, as the climate and vegetation are pretty straightforward, being divided into Arid and Tropical; while the vegetation goes from desert and sparse beside the Sahara, to increasingly more forested terrain, until reaching the tropical jungles by the coast. The topography is not very fragmented, with the Guinean Highlands and the Adamawa Plateau being the most important landmarks.

Natural Harbors:
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A new map mode this week, coming from the latest Tinto Talks! There are some decent natural harbors in the region, with Banana Islands (where Freetown would be founded), Elmina, and Calabar being the best ones.

Cultures:
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A beautiful map this week… I may repeat that we tried our best to approach the region, taking into account that this was the first African region we completed, around 3 years ago. When we review it, we may add some more diversity, as we have now some more tools than the ones we had back in time, but we think that it’s way best to read your feedback first, to make sure we are on the same page.

Religions:
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Take this map as very WIP. The Sunni-Animism division is kind of accurate, with the expected division for 1337 (Islam would later on advance more to the South, but we think this is the best for this date). What we have yet to do is to divide the ‘Animism’ population into some of the regional variants; we already have plenty of data, but we also want to read your feedback on this first.

Raw Materials:
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The goods of the region are quite diverse and very dependent on the geography. In the Saharan lands, there are plenty of locations with resources such as Salt, Copper, or Alum (regarding this resource, the lands to the north of Lake Chad make for the densest Alum hub in the world for 1337, something the historical sources talk about). Livestock is king in the Sahelian lands, while there are plenty of agricultural goods in the Niger river basin. The region is also full of luxury goods, of which Gold is the most relevant, as being the biggest supply of this metal to the Mediterranean and Europe in the Late Middle Ages, while also having others such as Ivory, Gems, or Spices (which in this region are portraying some goods such as kola nuts, or malagueta pepper). Finally, the coasts of the Gulf of Guinea have plenty of Fish. Maybe the only type of good that is not very abundant in the region is metals, as having some Iron, Tin, etc., but not much in comparison with other regions.

Markets:
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Markets of the region, have an interesting distribution. The most important ones in 1337 are Niani, Kano, and Njimi, which are also connected to the Northern African markets, making it possible to get plenty of wealth by exporting well-demanded goods throughout the Sahara (for instance, exporting Gold or Alum for good money is a very viable strategy ATM). Later on, after the Age of Discovery, the coastal markets may get connected to other markets, making them more relevant, and maybe switching the power balance of the region from the North to the South, as historically happened (but take it as a ‘maybe’, not for granted, OFC!).

Population:
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Population of the region. We’ve improved a bit our tracking of the population data, to avoid further problems like the one we had with Germany. I can tell you that the total population of Western Africa is around 5.6M people, which is divided into 2.2M for the Sahel, and 3.3M for the coast of Guinea. You may very well notice that the hegemonic power here may be Mali, with around 700k people, but also that there are many more people not living under the rule of a polity, than living under it, which will make for interesting gameplay on how to deal with it (more about this in a later Tinto Talks, soon…).

And, speaking of that, I have the sad news that next Friday there is a bank holiday here in Spain, so there won’t be a Tinto Maps. The next one will be on Friday 23rd, and we will be taking a look at Eastern Africa! Until then, you may still stay tuned, as we will be replying to feedback, as usual, and we may have some informal maps incoming. Cheers!
 
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I mean if the primary academic source that's inspiring you is saying 40-50 mil, but you set it at 5.6 mil, then I feel it's fair to ask for a better reason for a 90% percent reduction then "I'm reluctant".
I'll repeat what I said in an earlier thread:

The General History of Africa is not a particularly well regarded source I'm afraid, especially beyond the first two volumes. One commenter politely put it as having "varying quality and lucidity" and requiring additional work on the reader's part to sift through chapters and make judgements about their accuracy. I think in this case the population claim is definitely rather outlandish.

I think for a general reference the Cambridge History of Africa is superior.
6 million does seem a bit on the low end considering that over 10 million were shipped to the Americas over a couple hundred years (unless there was big population growth between the start date and the 1600s)
As a response to this, it's generally thought that the slave trade, both European and Arab, had a marginal impact on the population of Africa, which was governed by other factors like land availability and agricultural output.
 
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I've read some of those sources (the General History of Africa inspired us a lot), and I'm very reluctant to the upper numbers of 40-50 million. To put it into context, the Chinese census of 1351 set a population of around 90 million people; that would mean Western Africa would have had half the population of the most densely populated region of the world in this period.
i would agree with you, but the current numbers of around 5 seem excessively low. Perhaps its a good idea to find a middle ground?
 
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Kita should probably be horses over rice (if I’ve got that right). In the Epic of Sundiata, Sundiata purchased horses from the Wolof king in Kita for his army, but the king arrested the Mandinka traders, prompting war and the beginning of Mali’s western expansion.
 
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I'll repeat what I said in an earlier thread:

The General History of Africa is not a particularly well regarded source I'm afraid, especially beyond the first two volumes. One commenter politely put it as having "varying quality and lucidity" and requiring additional work on the reader's part to sift through chapters and make judgements about their accuracy. I think in this case the population claim is definitely rather outlandish.

I think for a general reference the Cambridge History of Africa is superior.

As a response to this, it's generally thought that the slave trade, both European and Arab, had a marginal impact on the population of Africa, which was governed by other factors like land availability and agricultural output.
From 1500 to 1850 about 6.3 million West Africans(not Congo or East Africa) were brought to the Americas, but 85% of these millions came after 1700.
900k people shipped over 200 years between 1500-1700 is about 4.5k/y, which is like 0.1% of the total population using PDX numbers.
Indeed this outflow can be masked by internal growth, West Africa pop estimates I saw only seem to show a stagnaiton or decline starting in the 18th century when the slave trade ramped up and reached its peak.
 
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Where are the Eastern Fulbe, there aren't any Fulbe minorites throughout the Sahel as far as I can tell. Despite them being a nomadic people who lived all the way from Senegal to Cameroon, with this map showing where Fula is spoken, though they're only the majority in Senegal and Guinea,
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Overall the cultural map could do with some more minorities, with many areas going straight from one culture to the other without any blending, which is especially jarring in Nigeria which is famous for culture blending and many, many minorities.

Also why isn't there Ivory in the Ivory Coast.
Ivory wasn't literally from the coast, rather it was from inland and was brought to market at the coast; hence the name.
 
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With all due respect that kind of melting pot should not be possible for Abrahamic religions since their core belief is in direct opposition to polytheistic religions
You're forgetting the fact that other religions don't care that much about not barrowing from abrahamic religions.
 
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Yes please its the native name plus it sounds way better.
Its the same name just using a different romanization (which is to say they are pronounced the same way). The french one is just very unintuitive for anyone that isn't french and looks very unatural before people in Burkina faso spoke french.
 
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We already started doing it, as can be checked in previous Tinto Maps, but it's going to take some more time to further subdivide the Pagan/Animist religions of the whole world.
I presume there isn't going to be a very modular religion system in PC? I know that a lot of "tribal" religions, at least in my region of North America, sort of picked and chose which myths they believed in, so there was a gradient of mythology along the coast. Similar to how there are language continuums but with religion.
 
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I mean... not like West Africa is that much smaller than the core area of China.
It's not about the total area of the region, it's about the quality of land, the suitability for agriculture, the availability of resources, the concentration of infrastructure, etc.
 
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I'll repeat what I said in an earlier thread:

The General History of Africa is not a particularly well regarded source I'm afraid, especially beyond the first two volumes. One commenter politely put it as having "varying quality and lucidity" and requiring additional work on the reader's part to sift through chapters and make judgements about their accuracy. I think in this case the population claim is definitely rather outlandish.

I think for a general reference the Cambridge History of Africa is superior.

As a response to this, it's generally thought that the slave trade, both European and Arab, had a marginal impact on the population of Africa, which was governed by other factors like land availability and agricultural output.
If Pavia calls it out as a source of inspiration, then I'll take him at his word and assume he did his due diligence in vetting it for reliability. Also, as other posters have said, it's more than a little hard to believe that the population of an area the size of China is smaller than that of France. West Africa isn't desert or lacking in food production, there's plenty of calories to be found, grown, or raised.

Edit: and as a separate matter, the locations in the region do seem to be on the bigger size, hopefully they can be made more granular to match the regions we've seen previously.
 
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Love the map,

A few suggestions to name change:
Rio Grande to Bolola. The source is the wiki, but i take as good

Boke is a city in rio Nunez. So my suggestion Rio Nunez to Cacine.

Rio pongo to Boffa

Ile de Los to Conakri. For what I've read before the foundation of the actual city there were several villages, one of them with that name.

Scarcies to Kambia. For what I could find the city or a village was there.

Port Loko to Loko. The name of the city probably wasnt Loko but was there when the portuguese arrived.

Banana Islands to Madina. I believe the place was named Madina before was named Lungi.
 
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If Pavia calls it out as a source of inspiration, then I'll take him at his word and assume he did his due diligence in vetting it for reliability. Also, as other posters have said, it's more than a little hard to believe that the population of an area the size of China is smaller than that of France. West Africa isn't desert or lacking in food production, there's plenty of calories to be found, grown, or raised.

Edit: and as a separate matter, the locations in the region do seem to be on the bigger size, hopefully they can be made more granular to match the regions we've seen previously.
Specific population densities figures for specific regions would be helpful rather than comparing single aggregate numbers.
 
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If Pavia calls it out as a source of inspiration, then I'll take him at his word and assume he did his due diligence in vetting it for reliability. Also, as other posters have said, it's more than a little hard to believe that the population of an area the size of China is smaller than that of France. West Africa isn't desert or lacking in food production, there's plenty of calories to be found, grown, or raised.

Edit: and as a separate matter, the locations in the region do seem to be on the bigger size, hopefully they can be made more granular to match the regions we've seen previously.
Area does not correlate to population very well. I doubt The Siberian 2/3 of Russia has anywhere in the ballpark as the population of China despite being bigger. The Sahara is bigger than France and has like no people. Heck the North America had drastically fewer people by land area compared to europe. There are huge discrepencies in population density between different areas (especially considering a decent amount of west africa is jungle, which is not the greatest for dense population and infrastructure)

While yes, West Africa is not super inhospitable, neither is it luscious farmlands.
 
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