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Tinto Maps #14 - 9th of August 2024 - Western Africa

Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Maps, the day of the week for map nerds lovers! This week we will be taking a look at Western Africa! These lands were named historically in different ways, although probably the most widespread naming was Guinea, which also names the Gulf that makes for the southern limit of the region, with the Atlantic Ocean being to the west, the Sahara desert to the north, and the lands around Lake Chad making for the approximate eastern border.

With these regions, we’re also leaving the ‘Easy Mode Map-Making’ of Project Caesar, as getting comprehensive sources of information for 1337 for most of Sub-Saharan Africa is challenging, as the traditional historical record was oral, in contrast with the written records usual in Eurasia. In any case, we did our best to depict the rich history and geography of the region and its diversity, which is stunning. Let’s start, then!

Countries:
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The most important country, and one of the world's great powers, is the Empire of Mali, which in 1337 is at its zenit, still ruled by the infamous Mansa Mūsā. It controls not only the core lands of the Mandé-speaking peoples, but also holds the overlordship over Jolof, most of the fertile Niger river basin, and some of the most important Saharan outposts. To its south-east, the Mossi are organized in several polities (Ougadagou, Gwiriko, Yatenga, Boussouma, Tenkodogo, and Liptako). South into the coast, Kong, Dagbon, Bonoman, and Mankessim are polities ruled by the Dyula, the Dagbani, and the Akan (the last two). To the east, Fada N’gourma, Borgu, and Mamprugu connect with the lands of the Hausa, which rule from several city-states: Kebbi, Gobir, Zafara, Katsina, Daura, Kano, Rano, and Zazzau. Further to the east, the Empire of Kanem rules the lands around Lake Chad from its capital in Njimi, and over some of the Saharan corridors, making it the region's second wealthiest country. And finally, further to the south, there are the lands of the Nupe, the Yoruba (Oyo, Ife, Ijebu, Owo), the Edo (Benin), and the Igbo (Nri).

Dynasties:
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The dynasties of the region are a mix of well-known ones, such as the Keita of Mali, the Ndiaye of Jolof, or the Sayfawa of Kanem, and randomly generated ones for the rest of the polities, as we don’t have good enough sources on who was ruling over most of them in 1337.

Locations:
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The locations of Western Africa. We’ve tried our best to find suitable locations, correct naming, etc., although I’m sure there might be plenty of feedback to apply.

Provinces:
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Areas:
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Terrain:
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This week we have proper Terrain mapmodes at the release of the Tinto Maps… Not much to say about them, though, as the climate and vegetation are pretty straightforward, being divided into Arid and Tropical; while the vegetation goes from desert and sparse beside the Sahara, to increasingly more forested terrain, until reaching the tropical jungles by the coast. The topography is not very fragmented, with the Guinean Highlands and the Adamawa Plateau being the most important landmarks.

Natural Harbors:
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A new map mode this week, coming from the latest Tinto Talks! There are some decent natural harbors in the region, with Banana Islands (where Freetown would be founded), Elmina, and Calabar being the best ones.

Cultures:
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A beautiful map this week… I may repeat that we tried our best to approach the region, taking into account that this was the first African region we completed, around 3 years ago. When we review it, we may add some more diversity, as we have now some more tools than the ones we had back in time, but we think that it’s way best to read your feedback first, to make sure we are on the same page.

Religions:
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Take this map as very WIP. The Sunni-Animism division is kind of accurate, with the expected division for 1337 (Islam would later on advance more to the South, but we think this is the best for this date). What we have yet to do is to divide the ‘Animism’ population into some of the regional variants; we already have plenty of data, but we also want to read your feedback on this first.

Raw Materials:
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The goods of the region are quite diverse and very dependent on the geography. In the Saharan lands, there are plenty of locations with resources such as Salt, Copper, or Alum (regarding this resource, the lands to the north of Lake Chad make for the densest Alum hub in the world for 1337, something the historical sources talk about). Livestock is king in the Sahelian lands, while there are plenty of agricultural goods in the Niger river basin. The region is also full of luxury goods, of which Gold is the most relevant, as being the biggest supply of this metal to the Mediterranean and Europe in the Late Middle Ages, while also having others such as Ivory, Gems, or Spices (which in this region are portraying some goods such as kola nuts, or malagueta pepper). Finally, the coasts of the Gulf of Guinea have plenty of Fish. Maybe the only type of good that is not very abundant in the region is metals, as having some Iron, Tin, etc., but not much in comparison with other regions.

Markets:
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Markets of the region, have an interesting distribution. The most important ones in 1337 are Niani, Kano, and Njimi, which are also connected to the Northern African markets, making it possible to get plenty of wealth by exporting well-demanded goods throughout the Sahara (for instance, exporting Gold or Alum for good money is a very viable strategy ATM). Later on, after the Age of Discovery, the coastal markets may get connected to other markets, making them more relevant, and maybe switching the power balance of the region from the North to the South, as historically happened (but take it as a ‘maybe’, not for granted, OFC!).

Population:
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Population of the region. We’ve improved a bit our tracking of the population data, to avoid further problems like the one we had with Germany. I can tell you that the total population of Western Africa is around 5.6M people, which is divided into 2.2M for the Sahel, and 3.3M for the coast of Guinea. You may very well notice that the hegemonic power here may be Mali, with around 700k people, but also that there are many more people not living under the rule of a polity, than living under it, which will make for interesting gameplay on how to deal with it (more about this in a later Tinto Talks, soon…).

And, speaking of that, I have the sad news that next Friday there is a bank holiday here in Spain, so there won’t be a Tinto Maps. The next one will be on Friday 23rd, and we will be taking a look at Eastern Africa! Until then, you may still stay tuned, as we will be replying to feedback, as usual, and we may have some informal maps incoming. Cheers!
 
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Indeed, we're entering Hard Mode map making south of the Sahara. @Pavía I'm curious do you have any particularly interesting anecdotes of the lengths the teams went to or the compromises they made to represent the poorly-documented regions of Africa?
We spent a fun summer in 2021 working in parallel in the map-making of the region for Caesar, and in the EUIV: Origins DLC. It was interesting, as we had very different approaches for each of the tasks.

  • Is the province density shown on this dev diary expected to be final? Considering the wast size of this region it seems low compared to areas like the Maghreb or Russia.
We're kind of happy with the density of the region; we already struggled to find locations in some places, and in general, there's a smooth transition between the different African regions.
 
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Agree with the suggestion to add the Ga-Adangme culture. Im not sure exactly where it was at this time, but there was a migration from the east to what is here the Gold Coast location.
 
Agree with the suggestion to add the Ga-Adangme culture. Im not sure exactly where it was at this time, but there was a migration from the east to what is here the Gold Coast location.
I’d just add the Ga or Gan, Wikipedia does it wrong in grouping them together imo. They’re grouped based on linguistics, but there’s separate articles for Ga and Dangme languages
 
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I'm curious as to what your sources are for population. Even a cursory search yields numerous sources that cite numbers significantly higher than the ones listed here, in the tens of millions more. I did not see any sources that listed numbers anywhere near the ones here.
The Malian Empire was big, it was the size of Western Europe, and while size =/= population, the numbers just seem incredibly low for the region, and not by a little.

40-50 Million: D.T. Niane, "Mali and the Second Mandingo Expansion" in Niane (ed.), General History of Africa, IV: 156

25 Million (Mali): Tesfu, J. (2008, June 29). Mali Empire (ca. 1200-1545 ). BlackPast.org. https://www.blackpast.org/global-african-history/mali-empire-ca-1200/

50 Million (Mali): https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/mali-empire

~47 Million in 1500 (which would not correspond to your 1337 figures): John C. Cadwell, "The Social Repercussions of Colonial Rule: Demographic Aspects" in A. Adu Boahen (ed.), History of West Africa, Vol. 1 (London: Longman, 1971), p.1
 
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Could you please share a map that shows at least part of what you showed in the Maghreb TM so that us humble map Frankensteins can put this together with the rest?
True... Here you are:
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PS: Again, please note that the corridors coloring is an already reported bug, and that we have some more pending work regarding wasteland coloring.
 
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You are saying that there is 5.6M, but when I am counting based on the country map mode, I am counting barely over 3M people? Did something happen to the map mode again?
There are plenty of people inhabiting the region that aren't under the rule of any country. ;)
 
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Thanks for the feedback! Some replies:

1. 75% of the population of Mali is Animist, with only 25% Muslim. In some places, only the Upper Class (nobles, burghers, clergymen) are Sunni.
2. The blue culture is the Messufa, a Saharan Berber culture.
3. The light green culture is Zaghawa.
4. It's highly doubtful that Mali could have 14 to 25 million people, from the sources that we've consulted, I'm sorry to say. To put it in comparison, that would make it as densely populated as France, which we are quite sure was not the case in 1337.
4. What sources did you use? Most I have seen list significantly higher numbers, why couldn't Mali have the population of France? France was a backwater nation in 1337, Mali was causing worldwide inflation through its wealth. I know we have had a couple of centuries of "Africa was just a bunch of tribes", but modern sources do not seem to corroborate this. Even sources when the Europeans first arrived describe large cities with large populations, not words lightly used by visitors from cities such as Venice, Genoa or Lisbon.
 
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I hate to be that guy but there's so many anachronisms in the map, Adamawa are a Fulbe clan that migrated to that area in the late 17th and early 18th century. Adamawa means followers of Modibo Adama a fula commander during the founding of the Sokoto caliphate. Kebbi as well didn't exist until after Songhai became hegemon of west Africa and Mali was fading into obscurity Kebbi was founded by the rebellion of kanta kotal who conquered what would became Kebbi on behalf of Songhai. Kebbi . The Hausa states should start as tributaries of Bornu as Bornu was the suzerain of the Hausa cities for centuries. The dynasties got the Hausa cities are also wrong. Kano was under the rumfa dynasty since about the 9th century, Katsina was ruled by the wangarawa dynasty in the 14th century which had migrated from Mali and brought islam along with them. The habe dynasty was also important as it was one of the oldest dynasties and can trace it's origins to the founder of the Hausa cities bayajidda. Overall as a west African the map leaves a lot to be desired.
 
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We consider them different cultures that are related, as they both speak a Gur language (as the Mossi, Tem, Kabiye, Bariba, Gonja, Gurunsi, and Gurma).
Gonja is not a Gur language, it is ironically most closely related to Akan as a Potou-Tano language. Also technically there is no consensus on whether Bariba is considered Gur proper.

And the guy has a point, Dagbani and Mamprusi are very closely related compared to the other Gur cultures.
 
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The developers should consider some sort of decentralized tribal states for Project Caesar similar to what V3 does with the decentralized African peoples. This map gives the awfully Eurocentric view that there were no societies at all in these areas, that it was simply a "terra nullis" when in fact there were dynamic societies in most of these "blank" areas. There has been plenty of research over the past fifty years (see UNESCO General History of Africa volumes 4 and 5 for great overviews of the area) as a basis to start adding more content. Plus Much like say Central Asia you have population migrations as well, which could be modelled for Central and Southern Africa. I know it's "Europa Universalis" but leaving large areas of Africa simply blank is just not good, especially as this issue has been handled very nicely in V3.
We're trying our best to have the most diverse possible setup of any GSG that Paradox has made. I think that it will be way more clear after a few months when some more systems and mechanics are shown and discussed in Tinto Talks, and also as we show more regions far from Europe. I also think that there's a testimony on the level of commitment to this view on some things that we're already showing, such as the cultural design of Western Africa, or trying to deliver a map with as many as possible native location names (that's why I've changed a few that had slipped through this afternoon).
 
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There are plenty of people inhabiting the region that aren't under the rule of any country. ;)
I figured that would be some of it, but if you are quoting 5.6 million, that means that nearly half of that population count is not living under a country? I'm just curious because a lot of people feel the map is underpopulated (I am no expert in West Africa history)
 
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Hello your probably not going to see this comment but that's okay. As a person familiar with the region and from West Africa (Yorubaland) I have a few issues. The first is the emptiness of my home region. Yorubaland would no doubt have more kingdoms with one example being the Yoruba Kingdom called Ketu in what is now central Benin republic. A good example would be the 170 map where you can see the individual states that Oyo owned and make them thier own kingdoms as they would have been more decentralized in 1337. Also to fill the void a kingdom called to as Aworu (Another Yoruba kingdom)to conclude this Yorubaland a whole would be more full, fractured and populated at this time. I suggest making a few more locations kindoms and filling out the rest.
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4. What sources did you use? Most I have seen list significantly higher numbers, why couldn't Mali have the population of France? France was a backwater nation in 1337, Mali was causing worldwide inflation through its wealth. I know we have had a couple of centuries of "Africa was just a bunch of tribes", but modern sources do not seem to corroborate this. Even sources when the Europeans first arrived describe large cities with large populations, not words lightly used by visitors from cities such as Venice, Genoa or Lisbon.
France wasn't a backwater in 1337 if it was it couldn't have achieved such high population density compared to other regions plus Mali didn't "cause worldwide inflation" it was Mansa Musa who allegedly caused inflation in some of the countries he visited,I'd say that's a vast difference considering he didn't use kind methods to gain such massive wealth
 
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I'm curious as to what your sources are for population. Even a cursory search yields numerous sources that cite numbers significantly higher than the ones listed here, in the tens of millions more. I did not see any sources that listed numbers anywhere near the ones here.
The Malian Empire was big, it was the size of Western Europe, and while size =/= population, the numbers just seem incredibly low for the region, and not by a little.

40-50 Million: D.T. Niane, "Mali and the Second Mandingo Expansion" in Niane (ed.), General History of Africa, IV: 156

25 Million (Mali): Tesfu, J. (2008, June 29). Mali Empire (ca. 1200-1545 ). BlackPast.org. https://www.blackpast.org/global-african-history/mali-empire-ca-1200/

50 Million (Mali): https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/mali-empire

~47 Million in 1500 (which would not correspond to your 1337 figures): John C. Cadwell, "The Social Repercussions of Colonial Rule: Demographic Aspects" in A. Adu Boahen (ed.), History of West Africa, Vol. 1 (London: Longman, 1971), p.1
No need to exaggerate Mali’s size. At their zeniths, Mali and Poland-Lithuania were roughly the same size.
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Like I said before, I wouldn’t put Mali’s population in tens of millions. However, seeing how in the Poland/Ruthenia Tinto Maps post Poland and Lithuania had the combined population of around 4-5 million, Mali having only 700k makes it have a very sparse population in comparison. It should definitely be in the millions, lands of Mali weren’t some wasteland ofc, as alongside savannah there was the Niger river and Inner Niger Delta which were good for agriculture.
 
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As usual, take into account that both the 3D art and the UI are still WIP:
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would like to see West African 3D art split in two if it's not too much to ask, between Sahel-Sudan and Guinea. His clothing and palace look rather Akan to me, not very much like most depictions of him.
 
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