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Pavía

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Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Maps! After a short break, we’re back to the duty of sharing more maps! Today the region we will look at is the Horn of Africa! So let’s take a look at it, without further ado:

Countries:
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Here we have the countries around Nubia, Ethiopia, and Somalia. The first ones are organized around the ancient kingdoms of Makuria and Alodia, which control the Upper Nile region. In the second area, the Empire of Ethiopia stands as the main power, with some smaller countries around it. Finally, the two Islamic sultanates of Ifat and Ajuraan stand as the main powers in the Horn and Somalia. Finally, around the African Great Lakes, there is a country that can be considered a ‘settled’ one, Kitara.

Dynasties:
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The dynasties of the Horn. There are some historical ones, while others are randomly generated. The most famous one is probably the Ethiopian House of Solomon, from where all their Negus come. The Walshma ruler over both Ifat and Ajuraan and we have some others, such as the Medri of Medri Bahri, the Umar of Mogadishu, the Banu Kanz of Makuria, or the Baranzi of Kitara.

Societies of Pops:
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A new map has popped up! Here you can see the countries that we consider as ‘Societies of Pops’, as they were presented in the last Tinto Talks. We have the famous Oromo people in the lands between Ethiopia, Ifat and Ajuraan; the Kunama, Gumuz, and Berta in the lands between Ethiopia; and Alodia, and the Zaghwa to the north of Wadai; there are a few more to the west, but I’ll share that picture in the Western Africa thread, as it’s more appropriate there. There are more Stateless Societies of this kind that we would like to add in the future, if it is possible due to our schedule.

Locations:
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Locations! You might notice that the density is quite unequal. Unfortunately, the archaeological findings for the period are scarce, specially out of the most known areas and a lack of urbanization in most of the territory has made the finding of proper non-anachronistic settlements quite a challenge. Keep this in mind when making suggestions. ;) It has been that dramatic in some areas that we had to use names of tribes and rivers, a bit contradicting our own rules, but the areas had to be represented as they were active parts in the development of the region.
One thing: a big chunk of the Arabian peninsula can be seen in today’s Tinto Maps; but, please, reserve the feedback for its future DD, when we’ll show all of the peninsula. Apart from that, you can see more detailed maps if you click on the spoiler button, as usual.


Provinces:
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Areas:
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Terrain:
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The terrain types of the region are quite interesting and diverse. It is marked by the Rift Valley, which creates different biomes, such as the Ethiopian Highlands and Plateau, or the African Great Lakes. That also marks a divide between Arid, Tropical, and Oceanic climates. The vegetation of the region also ranges from desertic and sparse, to jungle forests. And one more note: you may also note that 'Marshes' have been renamed into 'Wetlands', as we could put some work into that suggestion the last week.

Natural Harbors:
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Cultures:
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Another interesting map this week… You might notice that the lands of Ethiopia have a very mixed cultural situation. While more to the west and south, we are representing ‘tribal lands’ in a more homogeneous way, with kind of fixed boundaries to represent the different groupings. This doesn’t mean that there wouldn’t be a mixing of cultures, but this was one of the first areas to receive a minority's review and the scope was limited mostly to Ethiopia.

Religion:
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Another interesting map! Miaphysite and Sunni are the more widespread religions in the region (while not all areas have their mixed populations, such as Nubia as you might notice, they eventually will as we cover more of the map in our sprints). Animism is completely placeholder, as usual, and you might see some pockets here and there (If you have specific suggestions, please do them). You may also notice a purple minority inside Ethiopia… That is representing the Beta Israel Judaism in the provinces of Semien, of course!

Raw Materials:
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The raw materials of this week! A big chunk of the region has livestock as its main raw material, while also having some agricultural goods as Wheat or Sturdy Grains here and there. The most unique good in the region is Coffee, which is cultivated in the Ethiopian highlands. And there are also some precious resources spread here and there, such as Gold, Ivory, Gems, and Incense.

Markets:
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The main market centers of the region are Axum and Mogadishu, with ‘Adan/Aden being the main one controlling the access to the Red Sea. There are some weird calculations ongoing on the Somalian inner lands, that are already reported, and we’ll take a look at why is that happening.

Population:
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The population of the region! There are approximately 12.3M people in the Eastern African subcontinent; although take into account that it also comprises the regions of the Southern Great Lakes and the Swahili Coast, which we haven’t shown today, so we probably have to discount around 4M people from it (Swahili Coast accounts for 1.7M, and the Great Lakes for 4M, although that region is divided between today’s and next week’s Tinto Maps), for a total of around 8M.

That’s all for today! Speaking of next week’s Tinto Maps, it will be meaty, as it will cover Central, Eastern, and Southern Africa! See you!
 
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Tinto Maps 4 Feedback this week?
When will tinto maps feedback 4 come out?
We're doing the final touches to the region, so very, very likely next week.

PS: That's why we are reluctant to promise review dates; sometimes it has been quite fast, but with #4, we had a lot of feedback and work to address.
 
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Thanks for the constant updates, you guys are doing an amazing work!
Thank you guys for coming each week, and giving us constant feedback and support! :)
 
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O i had assumed that all pops outside of settled nations would belong to a society of people. Apparently not and there is still empty land and unattached pops
To let you know, this is the criterion we've been using to assign people to the different tag categories:
  • Settled Countries (State Societies)
  • Organized through States, which implies a public power holding:
  • Monopoly of violence
  • Tax collection
  • Public works
  • Writing/record-keeping systems
  • Societies of Pops (Stateless Societies)
  • Societies lacking a State properly, but that have some complex organizational features, such as (not necessarily all, but some):
  • Chiefdomly authority
  • Permanent settlements
  • Agricultural development
  • Some kind of taxation
  • Non-Tag Cultures (Bands/Kin Groups)
  • Simple societies, usually hunter-gatherers or shifting agriculturalists, don't organize around power structures, but through horizontal ones
  • Their pops won't be part of any type of tag, akin to EU4 natives
 
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Hard to tell here, but is the Dahlak Archipelago independent as the Sultanate of Dahlak, and if so what is its dynasty?
It's independent, with a randomly generated ruler.
 
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Are there not any coastal minorities in Somalia, or are they just too small to appear on the map? (From what I know of the area the coastal cities had a lot of people coming and going from all over the Islamic world)
There aren't currently, we'll very likely review that.
 
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I don't believe the Kenyan Luo, Tsoga, Maasai or Kalenjin should be in their current location in 1337, they migrated several centuries later.

Somewhat surprised there aren't more societies of pops. I would have liked to see some of the Nilotic peoples as SoPs, especially Dinka and Nuer. The Shilluk people also established a centralized kingdom in the 1400s, will there be some way for this to appear?

Komo culture seems to be in the wrong place. Preliminarily I think Konzo or Shi would be better choices for Kivu.

How about renaming Nyoro culture to Kitara(n) or Rutara? It's accurate for the time period, as it was not yet split into Nyoro and other dialects. Also shouldn't Kitara control a few more locations, such as Kibiro, Katwe and Isinguro?

I might update later with location feedback on Uganda and southern Ethiopia. I would recommend looking at the traditional counties of Buganda for location ideas.
We'll double-check all of this, thanks!
 
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Will you make that possible?
Not sure. As Johan said, there's a lot of pending work yet to be done regarding that type of country, and we're not sure what will make the cut before the release of PC, so we prefer to be very cautious regarding them.
 
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There's gonna be 100 youtube videos of people playing tall as Kitara doing nothing all game titled: "IS THIS THE LEAST PLAYED NATION IN [redacted]???!??!?!?!?"
Wakanda Kitara Forever!?
 
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@Pavía will you do a "re-run" of old tinto maps feedbacks to get feedbacks for the batural harbour map and let us check how they are going?
I think we will do this in a certain way, yes.
 
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More of gameplay question.


Historically the gap of uncolonized lands west of Wadai would close mid to late gane, making it so this a contiguous line of Kingdoms across the Sahel. Can this happen during gameplay and how frequently?
This can happen, although I can't say yet how often.
 
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Any interesting situation of I.O. in the region?
The Autocephalous Patriarchate of Alexandria (as the Church of Ethiopia is still attached to it).
 
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Wtf is this location sizes lol it seems granularity approach of PC only meant for Europe
There are areas in this regions which are akin to Europe (Ethiopia), and from there, the location density needs to be augmented, as other areas need to have bigger locations to make them fit. As we've already said, it doesn't make sense for us to have the same location in the whole world as in the Holy Roman Empire.
 
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