Tinto Maps #19 - 20th of September 2024 - India

[Pavía]

Will there be formable cultures? Like, could we form some kind of Indo-Iranian culture if conquering India as Iranian group people? Or can we rule India with an Iranian dynasty? I think that in a game that puts such a great detail into cultures, culture of Muslim empires in india should be portrayed better than just the culture of locals of the region where their capital is, like it was in eu4.


Or maybe Dehlavi is supposed to be this Indo Iranian one, considering it is a Persianised word?

Too early to answer this, sorry. But each country has a primary culture, which can also be different to that of its ruler.

 

[Pavía]

Now that we're getting into the spice trade areas, I'll mention that there should probably be a distinction between different types of spices. Certain types were only available in tropical areas, and should be differentiated from those closer to Europe-- especially since we have like 4 types of grain, and dates (the fruit) are their own good lol. Just feels weird we have so much granularity with some goods, and then we get hit with a unitary SPICE rgo.
Not sure how they could be subdivided, 'sweet' vs 'hot' spices? 'tropical' spices? or genuinely just cinnamon/cloves being on their own

Also... elephants here but not in Africa?

Elephants and Ivory are different resources. The former is for Asian elephants and can be used to create elephant-based military units. Ivory is used for African elephants, which can't be used for military units, and are only an economic resource.

 

[Pavía]

yeah, there sure be for sure much more Islamic pops north&northwest of Tapi river. Over a century of systematic purges of Hindus and Buddists by Delhi sultanate at it's peak, while fightining a long bloody war with Mongols and sufferering constant raid by other Turkic tribes, did it's thing. There is a reason why Development map mode looks like it does....

But biggest problem with the map are RGO-s.

Where is Sugarcane????
India was huge Sugarcane producers and had refined sugar crysalization methods since ancient times.
Or is sugarcane considered a Spices?

That's Sugar, and there's plenty (just checked in-game, and India is the region in the world with the most Sugar sources).

 

[Pavía]

Should harbour provinces have more development? I'd assume trade and trade routes would have a positive impact.

No, harbors impact a different set of values, but no development.

 

[Pavía]

@Pavía are there any plans to implement special cultural buildings to Ceylon (like in CK3)?

Feel free to suggest.

 

[Pavía]

I hope it will be impossible to save Delhi/Yuan without at least losing half of its territory,

Fighting rebels seem easy to avoid any territorial loss tbh, and I am afraid that playing as Delhi will make unifying India super easy if we succeed situation without any loss of lands

It's not easy, and its initial iteration, the situations for the Fall of Delhi and the Red Turbans Rebellion, coupled with the core game mechanic, made them extremely punishing (something we're finetuning through constant playtesting and iterating).

 

[Pavía]

And we're saying they did not. The Assamese did not migrate, they were formed by the confluence of the Ahoms, Bodos and other tribes of the Brahmaputra valley. Which source says the Assamese migrated from North Bengal?

It's a complex topic, and we partially agree with you, as the modern Assamese culture was formed as a hybridization of some cultures. However, what we are representing with the Assamese culture that is present in our game is the Indo-Aryan core that formed the Early Assamese language and culture, which would later expand towards current Assam, merging with Ahom and other cultures in the process.

We're open for review on this matter, nonetheless.

 

[Pavía]

Are the Parsi Zoroastrians represented as minorities?

Yes, I forgot to mention them!

 

[Pavía]

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Do the Laccdaive islands all belong in 1 province or aare they divided in 2?

Two, Aminidive and Laccadive.

 

[Pavía]

Shouldn't ivory exist in Asia too?

It's not needed, there's a building that can exploit any of them for economic benefits, with different production methods.

 

[Pavía]

And that's fine, if you consider all the resources me and @PerhapsItsChondoLal sent in here, Assamese as a culture SHOULD be represented - it's just extremely inaccurate to do it in North Bengal. The Indo-Aryan stock population ALREADY existed within the borders of Assam/Kamrup region as more and more tribal peoples assimilated into this population. The best representation of Assamese would be in Assam, as an overlapping culture with the various tribal peoples - and not in North Bengal. This is basically the core point we're both pressing.

Please do review this matter. Thank you for your hard work!

Sorry if I've been a bit too aggressive, lol. But there's a fundamental misconception here - Early Assamese language and culture arose in Assam itself. If this was say CK3, there'd still be some leeway - but by 1337 Early Assamese was well established in the Brahmaputra Valley. Only the Ahoms were yet to arrive; besides that, all the "ingredients", once could say, were in place. And the cultures of North Bengal had certainly little in common with either the Early or the Modern Assamese culture.

Thanks for your input on this matter. There are two different things to review here, I think. First would be if we could potentially rename what we named as 'Assamese' into something different, to portray that Indo-Aryan stock; maybe something on the line of 'Kamarupa', although we're not sure if this would be correct. The other would be potentially 'moving' it eastwards, towards the Bramahputra Valley. Let us know what do you think that would work better.