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Tinto Maps #26 - 15th of November 2024 - Indonesia

Hello, and welcome to another week’s edition of the maps of Project Caesar. I hope you have your boat prepared, because today we’ll be doing some island hopping looking at all the archipelago of Indonesia.

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A very wide area filled with many countries. Obviously, the most important emerging power is Mahajapit, Majahapit, Mapajahit, Mahapajit, Mapajahit… Majapahit, originating from Java and who are taking advantage of the vacuum created by the disappearance of the Srivijaya Empire to conquer or subjugate many of the Malay polities to establish a new thalassocratic empire. In the island of Borneo, the Kingdom of Brunei is extending its territory with the subjugation of many countries in the Philippines, where the Kingdom of Tondo establishes a certain hegemony but still with many other polities in the islands that could easily take its place. On the Celebes, the island is divided into multiple countries, with the Kingdom of Luwu (starting with L) establishing a firm presence. Further east, Tidore and Ternate are ready to also be very influential polities in the region, despite their humble origins in their small islands.

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Not much in here, only the Orang Asli in the Malay peninsula and the Ilocos people in north Philippines.

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Not much to say here, as much of the dynasties are generated due to the lack of data. Notable exceptions to that are, of course, the Rajasa dynasty of Majapahit and the Mauli dynasty of the Melayu kingdom.

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The name of the sea is still encroaching on the land, but this will be solved eventually. Fortunately, the islands make it quite easy to define the areas in this region.

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Vegetation and climate is quite (almost) uniform with tropical jungle, while the topography makes it generally to be quite rugged, with flatlands being present almost only on the bigger islands.

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As one would expect, these parts are not as developed as what we’ve been seeing recently.

Natural Harbors
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I don’t think it’s to anyone’s surprise that Singapore or Manila turned out to be such good harbors.

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I think this may be the most culturally diverse area we’ve presented until now. Keep in mind though that minorities have not been done here yet, so there will probably be more blending and variation in the end.

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A foreword before presenting the religions of Indonesia. You might notice that the promise to break the Animist religion into smaller ones is now in full effect. However, this is not going to be the final step, but an intermediate one. We created a lot of different 'culture-based religions' where we knew that people had different believes and rites; now we want to group them into broader categories, that would make sense gameplay-wise, following similarities in beliefs, practices, or mythologies - take as an approximate example the Northern American religions shown in the Religious Overview Tinto Talks. In this regard, we will appreciate any feedback about how to better group these religions, as it will be much easier for us to do it with your help.

With that said, let's focus on Indonesia again. This region is also one of the most varied religion-wise. It is notable the presence of Hinduism and Mahayana, as the prominent countries in this area were Hindu-Buddhists before the arrival of Islam, which is currently just starting to make its entrance through the north of Sumatra.


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One thing I want to say here regarding languages (as for example I saw someone getting surprised by the Mon language presence in the south of the Malay peninsula) is that we have had to make some grouping of languages in certain cases. Among many other issues, languages need to have sets of names for characters, so in cases that we couldn’t find a suitable big enough group of names for a language, we were forced to group it with another one close in their linguistic group (even if just temporarily). We are currently working on improving this, so that we can have the best possible representation without having to compromise gameplay, so it is quite possible that some of the languages that we have been forced to group into bigger groups get further splits in the future. Also, dialects were not a thing yet when we did this area, so nothing about that is implemented here yet.

Court Languages
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Not much difference with the normal languages map, except only in those cases where a country is ruling over another culture (which will be mitigated once minorities are done)

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Mainly lumber due to so many jungle, but also some other interesting resources here. And obviously also quite a bit of spices in the Spice Islands.

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Added here also the market languages, although keep in mind that it is just the language of the culture of the market center.

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Majapahit is the most populated, which will help them become the regional hegemon they historically were.

That is all for this week. Don’t put away your boats yet though, as next week we will continue our seafaring adventures and take a look at Oceania. See you there.
 
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I know Philippines are more involved in the gameplay but it is still strange to see Philippines having tens of different religions and cultures while Taiwan only has 1 culture and religion despite having far more diversity. 9 of 10 branches of Austronesian are Formosan, Filippino, Malay, Bruneyan, Madagascar etc all belong to the one last branch of Austronesian. Maybe Taiwan can have more than 1 culture

Also, Orang Asli should be represented less on West Malay coast

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When is the Tinto Maps extra for the Indian Ocean planned for?

Also, will next week's maps include the entire Pacific (including all of Polynesia all the way to Easter Island)?
 
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Among many other issues, languages need to have sets of names for characters, so in cases that we couldn’t find a suitable big enough group of names for a language, we were forced to group it with another one close in their linguistic group (even if just temporarily).
Regarding this, if someone had suggestions or resources for names in a specific small culture, would you want them in these map threads too?
 
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Loved this edition of tinto maps. Two quick things-
  1. Isn´t it better to diferentiate the spices? Because the way the category is now, the spice island won´t be so special when it counted for a large portion of world production of a certain type of spice.
  2. Will Australia and/or Hawai be in the next Tinto Maps?
 
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Because Australia by itself is fairly large

and then you have Papua and NZ, with the smaller islands, and there are a LOT of them
plus with the scale of PC so far, you can probably expect that nearly every island chain will be represented with multiple provinces
I would be SHOCKED if next weeks map didn't include Australia, it would be the biggest surprise yet (including every Tinto Talks/Maps) by a wide margin. Oceania IS Australia, if they wanted to exclude it they would've said "the map of the Pacific archipelago".
 
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Great! I've got a few questions as usual:

1-Is it gonna be possible to restore the Srivijaya empire?
2-Are there any special mechanics or events that will bring Islam to spread in region, including inside tags that are not muslims?
3-Why are there present some many tags that(I think) shouldn't really be a thing in 1337 like Brunei, Ternate and Cebu?
4-Any I.O. or situations in the region that you can name?
5-I that red tag the kingdom of Singapore?
6-Any events for the enstablishmet of the Sulu sultanate?
 
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Hope that the area of Philippines can be named after a pre-colonial name, for example Luzon. Even if it is not that representative for the entire region, it is at least better than using an anachronistic name that breaks the immersion...
 
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Are coloured wastelands fully done in code? I would have expected Siguntur to have coloured the bit of wasteland that it mostly surrounds as the borders with Palembang and Melayu are quite small.
 
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the one important question... if we have spice as a resource everywhere in the world. How will I become rich selling spices to Europe?
 
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Ambon (Hitu location) seems like it should probably have a natural harbor, it's got a nice sheltered bay and was historically significant during the game's time period.
 
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Now that you say you have fully eliminated animism, could you show pictures of the religions of western, eastern and southern africa? The western one is posted but the rest are not. It's just out of curiosity and for my personal frankenstein map.
 
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Loved this edition of tinto maps. Two quick things-
  1. Isn´t it better to diferentiate the spices? Because the way the category is now, the spice island won´t be so special when it counted for a large portion of world production of a certain type of spice.
  2. Will Australia and/or Hawai be in the next Tinto Maps?
Having spices as one or multiple resources is something that has been appearing in discussions now and again. Having them grouped was better for some aspects of the gameplay, but as always, everything is still subject to change.
 
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