Tinto Maps #28 - 29th of November 2024 - North America

[JuSoRa]

I don't understand what those wastelands in Eastern Colorado, Nebraska, and Kansas are. What makes those areas wastelands but not any of the surrounding great plains areas?

 

[JohnCro]

I made some more locations for Baffin that includes former settlements

Iglunga and Amadjuak are former inuit settlements that could added. They would add some more interest in the area.

 

[Tahami Tsunami]

A correction I'll need to make is that Pecos Pueblo/Cicuye should be renamed to P`ǽkilâ since that would be the pueblo's name in the Tanoan language. I'd also think that it should be the main Puebloan trade center above Taos Pueblo (Iałopháybo)

In addition to my previous questions about a screenshot of all Cahokian locations at once and the populations for Cahokia and the Puebloans, I'd also like to ask about if we count turkeys as livestock? If so, could some livestock locations be added in the North American Southwest? The people in the Southwest raised domestic turkeys like the Mesoamericans did.

Tulare Lake should be quite a bit larger too.

Just in case anyone has doubts, I'd absolutely like to play as some Pacific coast SoPs like Tlingit, Haida, Chinook, Ohlone, Chumash, etc.! I have a hard time imagining a Pacific coast people that wouldn't qualify as an SoP.

There's a few more Settled Countries I'd like to add!

Mosopeleacipi	The Kincaid Mounds site. Mosopeleacipi comes from the Illinois name to the Ohio River. Feel free to let me know if there are better suggestions for names. A paramount chiefdom with sites on both sides of the Ohio River.	Monumental and communal facilities like platform mounds, plazas, and temples.
Akansea	The Angel Mounds site and surrounding areas on both sides of the Ohio River (including many of the Caborn-Welborn culture sites). The name comes from what the Illinois and Miami tribes called the lower Ohio and Wabash Rivers.	It had the public works that most other large Mississippians sites had; platforms mounds, plazas, and temples.
Ȟemníčhaŋ	A stratified polity centered on Red Wing and much of central and southern Minnesota (it includes sites at La Crosse/Hinukwas Eja and the Sheffield/Hogan Wanke Kin site north of Minnetonka). The name comes from the Dakota word for Barn Bluff, a landmark at Red Wing that served as a sacred burial ground. Could also go by Mní sóta. The most densely populated area of the upper Mississippi.	Public works include mounds (especially the northernmost platform mound known) and stone cairns that were built on hilltops until about 1400 and may have served a funerary and religious purpose.
Moculixa	The famous Moundville site (page 88-92 in Looking for De Soto: A Search Through the South for the Spaniard's Trail by Joyce Rockwood Hudson) in western Alabama. According to this page, Etowah and Moculixa battled for hegemony over the Alabama River basin. A paramount chiefdom with control of multiple nearby sites.	In addition to platforms mounds, temples, and plazas, it appears as though many of the smaller sites had a tax/tribute to pay to Moundville.
Cheskiki	A chiefdom with multiple mound sites located along the Cumberland River. Includes the Castalian Springs Mounds, Brick Church Mounds, Old Town, Fewkes Group, and Beasley Mounds among others.	Platform mounds of course!
K’alaw’ayuchi	A chiefdom centered on the Shiloh Mounds Site. The name comes from the Yuchi word for the Tennessee River. There are many nearby sites along the Tennessee River.	Platform mounds which archaeologists have found may have been covered in clay of different colors.
Ditteh	A large Caddoan paramount chiefdom better known as the Spiro Mounds. Ditteh is the Caddo name for the site. It was the center of numerous nearby sites.	Numerous platform mounds, temples, and plazas.
Xe	The Blood Run site in northwestern Iowa that is the largest known Oneota site. The Omaha name for the site is Xe. It had been inhabited for a long time by 1337 and with a population of thousands living around the mounds.	Mounds.
Kwastiyukwa	A massive pueblo north of Zia (Tsi'ya). This pueblo was 5-7 stories high and may have had around 3,000 rooms!	Monumental architecture.
Pottery Mound Pueblo	A pueblo in New Mexico that’s known for its beautiful murals. On the map, it would be by the Rio Puerco to the southwest of Shiewhibak, east of Aak’u, and north of Teypana. I couldn’t find a good native name for it so feel free to share them if you know of any.	Monumental architecture.
Kuaua	A Tiwa pueblo that was visited by Coronado and abandoned after the Tiguex War. Like Pottery Mound, it had its own beautiful murals.	Monumental architecture.
Kawaika	Laguna Pueblo, north of Pottery Mound.	Monumental architecture.
Kua-Kaa	A Tewa pueblo better known as Arroyo Hondo pueblo.	Massive architecture.
Halona Idiwan’a	Better known as Zuni Pueblo.	Massive architecture.
Puye	The Puye Cliff dwellings that were home to around 1,500 people.	Massive architecture.
Tsama	A large pueblo with 1100 rooms. Located near Abiquiu, New Mexico and to the north of Puye.	Massive architecture.
Manitoumie	The Apple Valley River sites, especially the Mills and Savanna Proving Ground sites. Previously very populated, the handful of large sites left are struggling by 1337. It has been hard to find a native name for the area. Manitoumie comes from the original name of the nearby Sinsinawa Mound. Another option is Chaniere which may be the name of a Meskawi village close by.	Platform mounds.
Walpi	A pueblo located on a narrow finger of First Mesa. Described as the mother village of surrounding Hopi settlements.	Some tribute likely was extracted.
Pensacola	A large chiefdom with its capital located in Mobile Bay. The largest Mississippian site in the mid-Gulf area.	Numerous platform mounds.
Sims site	One of the largest sites in southern Louisiana that was likely a political center in the area. I haven’t found a good native name for this site.	Platform mounds.
Natchez	A well-known chiefdom of the Natchez that survived into the 1700s. In their territory is Emerald Mound which is the second largest platform mound after Cahokia’s Monks Mound.	Plenty of platform mounds and collected tribute.
Cuk-Ṣon	Hohokam settlements in the Tucson area that are much smaller than their Phoenix Basin counterparts but had many of the same features such as ballcourts. Had a number of sites like Romero Ruins and Yuma Wash.	Ballcourts and irrigation canals.
Quigualtam	A polity located at the Winterville or Holly Bluff sites (both had been constructed by 1337). Let me know if there’s a better name that could be used.	Platform mounds.
Shikaakwa	A native name for the Chicago area. There were numerous sites located around Lake Michigan and it may have been centered on the Briscoe Mounds. There isn’t a ton of info on these sites so it’s more of a maybe.	Mounds.
Towosahgy	A chiefdom in southern Missouri. Includes other sites like Murphy Mound.	Platform mounds.
Wenepekōw Nepēhsæh	The Oneota sites around Lake Winnebago like Lasley Point and the effigy mounds at High Cliff State Park.	Burial and effigy mounds.
Koshkonong	Includes several village and mound sites around Carcajou Point including effigy mounds in the shape of birds, mountain lion, etc. Might include Grand River sites like Walker-Hooper.	Mounds including effigy mounds.
Middle Savannah River chiefdoms	When De Soto arrived in Georgia, there was an unsettled area in the middle of the Savannah River area between the paramount chiefdoms of Ocute and Cofitachequi. It was referred to as the “desert of Ocute.” This was due to the 100 year war between that depopulated the once very populous chiefdoms in the area.	Links for sites that got depopulated. Native name for Savannah River is Isondega. SavannahSites ChieflyCycles HollywoodMounds HollywoodSite LawtonMounds RembertMounds SRV BeaverdamSite
Alabama River chiefdoms	A number of smaller chiefdoms that Moundville and Etowah fought for hegemony over.	Pakana Mabila Caxa, Piachi, Atahachi, Humati, Casiste, and Uxapita
Mawooshen	A confederacy that existed in Maine sometime before the arrival of Europeans. The title of the ruler was Bashaba who ruled from a capital called Kadesquit (early contact period) near modern Bangor.	Seems to have enough political complexity and collected tribute.
Piscataway	A polity of Piscataway people near modern Washington D.C. The Piscataway ruler was known as the Tayac. The Tayac lived at Moyaone.	They exacted tributes to local Weroances and the Tayac. They also seem to be centralized enough to count as settled.
Wampanoag	Like Mawooshen, they had a confederacy that formed at some unspecified point before the arrival of non-Norse Europeans. There was a head sachem that presided over the other “petty sachems.” Head sachems arranged trade privileges and protection for allies in exchange for tribute. However, they were selected by women elders and had to consult councilors and the “petty sachems.”	They have political complexity and collected tribute.
The Iroquoian Nations	This covers the 5 Haudenosaunee nations and potentially the St. Lawrence Iroquoians at Stadacona, Hochelaga, Maisouna, and Tsiionhiakwatha.	They seem to be politically complex enough but I’d like more information.
Wyandot Confederacy	Like the Iroquoians, they seem to be politically complex enough but I don’t know if that was definitely before European arrival or not.	They seem to be politically complex enough but I’d like more information.
Tionontati Confederacy	Same with the Iroquois and Wyandot above.	They seem to be politically complex enough but I’d like more information.
Chonnonton Confederacy	Same with the Iroquois, Wyandot, and Tionontati above.	They seem to be politically complex enough but I’d like more information.
Etzanoa	A large city of 20,000 Wichita people in later centuries! The chief was named Catarax. It wasn’t that large at the game start, but it was inhabited by 1300 so perhaps it can start out small then grow into a giant like it did in real life.	Seem to be politically complex enough.

 

[JohnCro]

My maximalist approach for locations on Baffin and some surrounding areas:

Clyde River - settlement
Qikiqtarjuaq - settlement

Nuwata - abandoned settlement
Killiniq -or Killinek or Port Burwell, abandoned, appears on European maps as early as 1569
Nottingham Island - or Tujjaat, Henry Hudson named it Nottingham Island in 1610, abandoned in 1970
Kivitoo - abandoned in mid 20th century

Inspired by the suggestion made by @Maxipuchi for Greenland

Thoughts @Maxipuchi ?

 

[sumiaz]

Arizonan here, I'm going to give a bit of feedback about the O'odham (and I know from a previous SW thread there may be more from others).

First off, I would absolutely love to play as the O'odham, though I don't know that they were any more 'settled' than other regional SOPs, particularly in the 14th century. However we can make that happen I'm into and willing to help out. And North America should definitely follow geographic boundaries over colonial ones. So feedback:

Spoiler: SOPs

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Can we get a zoom here? Or a list of the names? I can't read the smaller ones other than Akimel and Tohono. It looks like the grey may represent the Cocopah (Xawiƚƚ kwñchawaay) but their territory should NOT extend East from the Colorado River, rather it should be culturally and politically O'odham, though few people lived there at all.

SPELLING
There is a lot of inconsistency here (including Wikipedia) so I'll try to recommend a standard orthography for things

Spoiler: Locations

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I understand why you named the locations after groups, but I have some potential alternatives for the O'odham ones. My source is O'odham Place Names by Harry Winters, as well as A Tohono O'odham Grammar and Tohono O'odham to English Dictionary by Ofelia Zepeda). If the location density ever increases I can provide a lot more specific suggestions.

• North Hia-Ceḍ O'odham->
  • If unchanged should be spelled "Hiach'eḍ O'odham"
    • "C" in this context is pronounced as the English "ch", and "ḍ is a retroflex
  • "Kaav 'Onga"
    • after an O'odham camp near the Gulf of California, literally "Badger's Salt"
    • This camp was small but extremely valuable as pilgrimages to gather salt were and are spiritually/materially important to the O'odham
  • "Hiach'eḍ Wahwia"
    • after a small town in the region, literally "Town in the Dunes"
• South Hia-Ceḍ O'odham->
  • There is honestly not much going on here
  • Vi'ishañik
    • literally "shallow gully"
    • Village about 20 miles west of modern-day Caborca, Sonora
    • Attested to in 1694 by Father Kino's expedition
  • Ge Kaachk Baasho
    • Coast of the Gulf of California, literally "Breast of The Great Expanse"
• Hu:huhla->
  • If unchanged should be spelled "Huhhu'ula"
    • this is to maintain consistency with "O'odham", where the apostrophe signifies a glottal stop
  • Chuchk Dodo'ag
    • literally "Black Mountains" after all the basalt mountain ranges along this territory
  • Ali Jeg
    • after a strategic town close to the modern US/Mexico border
    • literally "Small Pass/Opening" in between two mountain ranges,
• Koklolodi->
  • Waw Giwulk
    • this is the absolute center of O'odham history and spirituality, where the ancestor-god The I'itoi led the O'odham people out from the underworld and into their homeland
    • this part of the modern day reservation is still named after the mountain, in Spanish/English "Baboquivari"
• Akimel O'odham->
  • Akimeḍ (a variant of "Akimel", both meaning river but Akimeḍ may distinguish it from the people)
• Totokwañ->
  • Chuk Ṣon
    • modern-day Tucson, Arizona
    • literally "at the base of the black mountain"
    • even then a population center, relatively speaking
    • will have the most continuity with later centuries
  • Ge Aji Do'ag
    • literally "Big Peak Mountain"
    • Ceremonially important to the northern Tohono O'odham
• Tohono O'odham->
  • This name as-is is pretty unacceptable, the various O'odham of the region are collectively "Tohono O'odham" so this makes no sense
  • Hugidag
    • literally "boundary"
    • potentially called such because it was in-between the lands of the Sobaipuri (Sobas to the Spanish) and other unnamed Piman peoples
    • somewhat unclear origin, but reconstructed from a town the Spanish called "Uquitoa"
• Himuris
  • Probably fine given they gave their name to modern-day Imuris, Sonora
  • Wegi Vav
    • modern-day Magdalena, Sonora
    • literally "Red Outcropping"
    • Attested to by Father Kino in 1694
• Sobaipuri
  • This region is probably too far North and East, but given the lack of records it's probably fine
  • No place names I can find for this region

Spoiler: Culture

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As I said earlier it makes no sense that the Cocopah extend East across the northern Gulf of California, and should instead be culturally O'odham.

Speaking of O'odham, the name "Othama" is literally just a dialect/spelling variation on O'odham (along with "Aatam") and for consistency's sake should just be "O'odham". Alternatively "Pima" or "Piman" is acceptable, as there were many subgroups (including the exclave of Pimans in-between the Seri and Opata shown here)

Spoiler: Areas

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It's a bit strange to call Arizona/western New Mexico Shiewhibak, as that only seems to ever have referred to a small Pueblo town. Instead you might use "Ali Shon" or "Ali Shonak" meaning "Little Spring" from which we get the name Arizona.

It is likewise a little strange to see a small island (Tahejoc) be used as a replacement for all of Sonora, but I don't have great suggestions. As I suggested for locations you might try "Ge Kaachk Baasho", meaning "Coast of the Gulf of California", literally "Breast of The Great Expanse" in O'odham.

Spoiler: Language

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I actually really like "Yutonahau" as a pre-Columbian name for Uto-Aztecan. Looking forward to seeing dialects.

That's all my feedback for now, please let me know if I can help more/whether this helped at all!

Another Arizonan piggybacking on this well-written post.


Native-language names for cultures

I love the intent behind the native-language names as representing peoples’ names prior to European contact, but the execution falls short. Not localizing the names makes it difficult for players to make an association between the cultures on the map and cultures that exist in the present day. It’s highly unlikely even for a player familiar with the regional cultures to know that “Xawiƚƚ Kwñchawaay” is the Cocopah people without having to do extra research.

Similarly, I wasn’t sure what people were the “Táxliswet” next door, but when I did an internet search absolutely nothing came up (Did you mean “taxisnet”?). It took a search on Wikipedia to find a single mention on the page for the Cahuilla people. I’d be curious to learn more about the Cahuilla people and the resources are there if I search for “Cahuilla”, but if I followed that same curiosity about the “Táxliswet” I’d get nothing. This overcorrection just makes these cultures inaccessible to people not already familiar with them. And if the game comes out with these names as they are now, there’ll finally be search results for “Táxliswet” but only for pages related to the game…

In the other direction, near “Xawiƚƚ Kwñchawaay” are Yavapai (not “Yavepé”) and Hualapai (not “Hwalbáy”) which are still native names but as adapted by Europeans. These cultures still exist and have tribal governments that use these adaptations as their official names in English (e.g. Fort McDowell Yavapai Nation). And then afield are the Zuni (not “A:shiwi”).

And finally, “Hohokam”. The term was borrowed into English from O’odham and is related to the O’odham verb “huhug” (to vanish, pass away). Certainly people belonging to the Hohokam culture wouldn’t have called themselves that when they were very much still here! But then, the Hohokam left no written records and had truly vanished by the time Europeans came upon the area, so it becomes impossible to follow the principle of using native-language names for them as a culture.

With that in mind, I would suggest:
- “Xawiƚƚ Kwñchawaay” to “Cocopah”
- “Othama” to “Pima”. During the timeframe of the game “Pima” was used to encompass disparate cultures that spoke Piman languages, although nowadays it tends to refer only to the Akimel O’odham specifically. “O’odham” could work too but “Othama” is a weird ‘split-the-difference’ approach.


Culture suggestions

Depending on how granular the cultures are meant to be:
- Maricopa (Piipaash) in the location “Piipaash”.
- Quechan (Kwatsáan) in “Kwatsaan”
- Halchidhoma (Xalychidom) in “Halchidoma”
- Mohave (Aha Makhav) in “Aha Macav”
This results in lots of one-province-only cultures in the Lower Colorado River which while true to reality, might for performance reasons be grouped into an umbrella “Yuman” culture along with the Cocopah.

And some changes with existing culture-location associations:
- Othama in “North Hia-Ced O’odham” (it’s in the name)
- Hualapai in “Havasubaaja” (the Havasupai are closely related to the Hualapai)


Location names

Janiculum made some good suggestions, to which I would add:
- Akimel O’odham – “Akimel” (River) is probably sufficient as a placename, “Keli Akimel” (Gila River) perhaps if specificity is needed.
- Tohono O’odham – “Kawulk”. Far too south for that location specifically to be named for the Tohono O’odham. I can’t get a great sense of how the locations map to current settlements but it looks about where Caborca (O’odham “Kawulk”) is.

Northern Arizona and New Mexico also use a lot of Navajo and Apache placenames even though the game start falls around the time when Athabaskan speakers would settle in the area from further north. There's not an easy resolution to this because the alternative is to use the names of abandoned (or near-abandoned) Hohokam or Sinagua sites in the area which don't always have a non-Athabaskan name associated with them. Two that I could find potential alternatives for:
- Tu dotłizh ndee – “Pasiwvi”. Pasiwvi is the Hopi name for Elden Pueblo, a Sinagua site that was probably abandoned in the late 1200s. Sinagua sites suffer the same problem as the Hohokam where the only names we have are those of current people in the vicinity who may or may not be the descendants of said culture.
- Kin Łigaaí – “Homolovi”. The Navajo name seems to refer to Prewitt, New Mexico, much further to the east. Homolovi is an Ancestral Pueblo (Hisatsinom) site occupied until around 1400. The culture is probably more accurately Hisatsinom if not Hopi, but sits too far west to be Zuni.

There are also a number of oddly placed Hopi-language locations, which brings up a bigger issue:


The Hopi and Zuni

Given how culturally similar the Hopi and Zuni are to the Keres and Tanoan speakers, it’s weird to not treat them similarly as settled people. It bothered me in EU4 when the Pueblo tags were expanded without touching the Hopi or Zuni pueblos. Despite their proximity and shared culture, the Hopi and Zuni pueblos were functionally independent of each other like the pueblos to the east.

I would suggest for the Hopi tags (from west to east): Moenkopi, Oraibi, Shungopavi, Walpi. The Zuni could either be their own singular tag centered on Zuni Pueblo (Halona Idiwan'a) or two tags, Halona at Halona Idiwan'a and Hawikuh at Tsézhin Deezʼáhí.

Location tweaks:
- Shungopavi – “Moenkopi”. Shungopavi is further to the east and probably falls within the location Walpi. Moenkopi is a settlement further west of the Three Mesas where most of the Hopi pueblos are clustered.
- Orayvi – “Lenaytupqa”. This location seems to straddle the Arizona-Utah border and include the Navajo town of Kayenta, in any case far north of the Hopi settlement Oraibi. Lenaytupqa is the Hopi name for Tsegi Canyon which is believed to be the stopping point for the katsinam going towards the Hopi Mesas. However, given how far north into Utah the location extends, it may be more appropriate to identify a location and name associated with the Paiute.
- Walpi – “Oraibi” or “Orayvi”. The location “Walpi” seems to include the whole current Hopi Reservation. Historically Oraibi would have been the most important among the Hopi pueblos and would better represent the area as a whole. That being said, if the Hopi are treated like the other Pueblo cultures, it would make sense to have a similar location density as the pueblos to the east, in which case “Walpi” could be extended west- and eastwards, then split into 3 parts (from east to west): “Walpi” (First Mesa), “Shungopavi” (Second Mesa), and “Oraibi” (Third Mesa).

 

[Tiwaz4]

I went and made a few suggestions for changes to Prince Edward Island/Epekwitk/Ile Saint-Jean as well

Orange are the base/Mi'kmaw names
Red are English dynamic names
Blue are French dynamic names

I'm not an expert on Prince Edward Island, so anybody more knowledgeable feel free to make adjustments.

 

[Pepe_Sylvia]

Are there the 5 boroughs of NYC represented? Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island and the Bronx?

 

[JohnCro]

Are there the 5 boroughs of NYC represented? Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island and the Bronx?

I think it is all location of Manhattan on the map

 

[Bosporus]

Spent too much time on this and nearly had a minor mental breakdown after the data got corrupted right as I finished plotting everything out the first time, but here it is: a proposal for the Western US (aka west of the Rockies-ish), with ~150 new locations by my rough calculations. Also, all names (except one - which will forever be the bane of my existence) have indigenous names, even if some are a bit... tenuous.

I'll be getting the basic details plotted out below, and will be updating with more information (culture, resources, etc) as it's ready.

In general, I found quite a few instances of misspelled names, names being in the wrong place, or names being repeated but with alternate spellings.

I tried to incorporate other suggestions posted here as well where possible.

White dashed lines are location boundaries; Black lines are province boundaries; Red lines are potential area boundaries (Split up as below)

California

Spoiler: California Map

Spoiler: California Locations - Roughly from North to South

Ishkêesh - Pink; Klamath River (Karuk

ID	Name	Named For	Culture	Resource	Notes
106	káruk	Karuk people
109	Ottitiewa	Scott River branch of the Shasta tribe; former name of Fort Jones, CA			Scott River was potentially also called Iraui and its people Irauitsu in Shasta
110	Wáik'a	Yreka, CA			Also a name for Mt. Shasta

Hupa - Green; Trinity River (Yurok) (also Hupa people); Also: hun' (Trinity River; Hupa)

105	Hehlkeeklaa	Klamath River Yurok
104	Ner'ernerh	Coast Yurok
107	Konomihu	Konomihu language
108	čimar	Chimariko people			Alt: č’utamtače (Burnt Ranch, CA) (Chimariko)
102	Huep'oola'	Hupa people			Alt: Miy-me' (Salyer, CA; Hupa)

Ajúmmá - Blue; Fall River/Achumawi people; Alt: Ajúmmááwí (Fall River Band of Achumawi)

453	matéési	Madesi tribe
452	acúmmááwi	Pit River band of the Downriver Achomawi
117	astaaqííw̓awí	Hot Springs band of Upriver Achomawi
116	h̓ámmááw̓i	band of Upriver Achomawi near Likely, CA

Wigi - Teal; Humboldt Bay (Wiyot); Alt: Baduwa't (Mad River; Wiyot)

103	Whiylqit	Whilkut people
100	Nongatl	Nongatl people
98	Ni'ekeni	Mattole people
(101)	Wíyot	Wiyot people			Number missing from map

Wintu - Gold; Wintu people

99	Nomtipom	Upper Sacramento band of WIntu
113	nomsu's	Trinity Fork Wintu
114	Winnemem	Winnemem Wintu
112	Daunom	Bald Hills Wintu
111	norelmaq	Hayfork Wintu
90	Paskenti	Paskenta, California
91	Tehama	Tehama, California

Amblu Kai - Tan; Lassen Peak; Also Kom Yamani (Lassen Peak, Mountain Maidu)

94	Hatiwïwi	Hat Creek (Achumawi)
93	Yana	Yana people
92	Yahi	Southern Yana people
96	Pam Sewim K'odom	Susanville, CA (NE Maidu)
(115)	Atsugewi	Atsugewi people			# Missing from Map

Taanchow - Puce; Eel River (Cahto); Also Wiya't (Wiyot); ch'idiyu (N. Pomo)

97	Sinkyone	Sinkyone people
75	Las'-sik	Lassik people
74	Kinist'ee	Wailaki people
88	Ukomno'om	Valley band of the Yuki people
83	Ukohtontilka	Coast Yuki
89	Huchnom	Outside the Valley band of Yuki people

Koyom'kawi - Purple; Konkow people [Labeled Konkow on map]

81	Mechoopda	Mechoopda people
95	Silongkoyo	Silongkoyo, CA			ALT: Tasikoyo (Tasikoyo, CA)
80	Koyom'kawi	Konkow
79	Yubu	Yuba City, CA

Lypoyomi - Orange; Clear Lake (California)

73	Yokáya	Ukiah, CA
72	Shiegho	Shiegho, California
71	Lypoyomi	Clear Lake (California)

Patwin - Dark Purple; Patwin people

86	Tebti	Tebti, village of the Hill Patwin
85	Yo-loy	Yolo, CA
87	Liwaito	Liwaito, CA
84	Tuluka	Tuluka, CA			ALT: Suisun (Suisun people)

Sonoma - Light Blue; Sonoma (Valley, city, county, mountains, etc.)

68	Kʼahšá:ya	Kashia/Kashaya people
69	Bitakomtara	Pomo people near Santa Rosa, CA
70	Micewal	Wappo people
50	Péta Lúuma	Petaluma, California
49	Támal Pájiṣ	Mount Tamalpais

Kum Sayo - Red; American River (Nisenan)

82	Ustumah	Nisenan village near Nevada City, CA
78	Yalisumni	Yalisumni, CA
77	Cullumah	Coloma, CA (Nisenan)

Miwok - Orange; Miwok people

451	Kosumne	Cosumnes River
446	Tukupe-su	Miwok village near Jackson, CA
450	Mokelumne	Mokelumne River
445	Huta-sil	Miwok village near San Andreas, CA
67	Akankau-nchi	Miwok village(s) near Sonora, CA
447	Awahnichi	Ahwahnechee people
448	Kasumati	Miwok village near Mariposa, CA
449	Nowach	Miwok village on the Chowchilla River's headwaters

Ohlone - Pink; Ohlone people

51	Chupcan	Bay Miwok village near Concord, CA
338	Huchiun	Ohlone village/group near Oakland, CA
47	Pelnen	Ohlone village near Dublin, CA
45	Ramaytush	Ramaytush Ohlone			Also: Rammay-tuš
46	Tamyen	Tamien Ohlone
44	Awaswas	Awaswas Ohlone

Tihshachu - Peach; San Joaquin River (Yokuts)

444	Lakisamni	Lakisamni Yokuts
443	Walakumne?	Walakumne Yokuts			(ignore #442)
59	Yachikumne	Yachikumne Yokuts
66	Chaushila	Chawchila Yokuts; Chowchilla River
60	Nopṭinṭe	Noptinte Yokuts
57	Pitkachi	Pitkachi Yokuts			Also: Pitkache

Wimmel-Che - Blue; Kings River (CA) (Yokuts) [Misspelled as Wimmel-chu on map]

61	Gashowu	Casson people
433	Choynimni	Choynimni Yokuts
440	Wobonuch	Wobonuch band of Mono
441	Balwisha	Balwisha band of Mono
(436)	Wikchamni	Wukchumni Yokuts			Number missing from Map
(439)	Nium	Northfork Mono people			Number missing from Map

ua kot taiauačorx - Light Blue; Salinas River (Rumsen) [Note: broken character on map]

43	Mutsun	Mutsun Ohlone
41	Rumsen	Rumsen Ohlone
42	Chalon	Chalon Ohlone
48	Exse'ein	Esselen people
40	Trh'ama'	Salinan village near Wagon Cave, CA
39	Tco'alam	Cholame, CA			elewexe (village near Paso Robles) for Chumash

Pah-áh-su - Red; Tulare Lake (Yokuts)

38	Tachi	Tachi Yokuts
432	Chunut	Chunut Yokuts
434	Wo'las	Wo'las Yokuts
58	Koyeti	Koyeti Yokuts
36	Wowol	Wowol Yokuts

Tübatulabal - Purple; Tübatulabal people

435	Yawdanchi	Yawdanchi Yokuts
56	Palewyami	Palewyami Yokuts
53	Tübatulabal	Tübatulabal people

Tulamni - Yellow; Tulamni Yokuts

438	Tuhohi	Tuhohi Yokuts
37	Yowlumne	Yowlumne Yokuts
437	Hometwole	Hometwole Yokuts
35	Tomo-Kahni	Tomo-Kahni (Kawaiisu village)			ALT: Tihachipia (Tehachapi Pass, Kawaiisu)

Hayikwiir Mat'aar - Orange; Mojave Desert (Mohave)

34	Kawaiisu	Kawaiisu people
32	Ivanpah	Ivanpah, California
33	Vanyume	Vanyume people (Desert Serrano)
25	Kitanemuk	Kitanemuk people
26	Wáꞌpeat	Wáꞌpeat village (Hesperia, CA)
27	Tantáwats	Chemehuevi people
28	Taaqtam	Serrano people

Chumash - Green; Chumash people

16	Pismuʔ	Pismo Beach, CA
17	Kuyam	New Cuyama, CA
13	lumpo'o̥	Lompoc, CA
15	Mikiw	Mikiw, CA
14	Syuxtun	Syuxtun Village
3	Humaliwo	Humaliwo (Malibu, CA)
337	Limuw	Santa Cruz/Northern Channel Islands

Tovaangar - Blue; Tovaangar (Tongva homeland)

5	Tochonanga	Tochonanga (Santa Clarita, CA)
4	Pasheeknga	Achooykomenga/Pasheeknga (San Fernando Valley)
12	Toviscanga	Toviscanga (San Gabriel, CA)
8	Yaanga	Yaanga (Los Angeles, CA)
9	Kuukamonga	Rancho Cucamonga, CA
10	Wa’aachnga	Guachama Rancheria (Redlands, CA)			ALT: Kaawchama
7	Puvungna	Puvunga (Long Beach, CA)			ALT: Puvunga
336	Pimu	Santa Catalina Island/Southern Channel Islands

Paul - Green; Lake Cahuilla (Cahuilla)

65	Séc-he	Palm Springs, CA (Cahuila0
24	Ivilyuqaletem	Cahuilla people
64	Kuupangaxwichem	Cupeño people
23	Kwatsáan	Quechan people

Avii Hanupach - Green; San Jacinto Mountains (Mohave)

6	Putuidem	Putuidem (San Juan Capistrano, CA)
11	Temeekunga	Temecula, CA
2	Tacayme	Oceanside, CA (Luiseño)
1	Kosa'aay	Kosa'aay (San Diego, CA)

Southwest

Spoiler: Southwest Map

Spoiler: Southwest Locations - From Roughly West to East

'Aha Kwahwat - Red; Mohave name for the Colorado River

ID	Name	Named For	Culture	Resource	Notes
54	'Aha Makhav	Mohave people
55	Xalychidom	Halchidhoma people

Ha Ŧay Gʼam - Pink/Purple; Havasupai name for the Colorado River (note broken characters on map)

378	Hwalbáy	Hualapai people
377	Hàkđugwi:v	Peach Springs, AZ (Walapai)
380	Havasuuw	Supai, AZ (Havasupai)
379	Tusayan	Tusayan Ruins

Xiil - Yellow; Maricopa name for the Gila River (see below)

334	Piipaash	Maricopa people
335	Xiil	Gila River (Maricopa)			ALT; Akimel (O'odham); Haa Siʼil (Quechan)
346	Hila Wi:n	Gila Bend, AZ (O'odham)			ALT: Older name is Oyadaibuc?

Yavapai - Purple; Yavapai people (technically a Mohave exonym)

376	Amat 'Avii Kahuwaaly	Hualapai Mountains (Mohave)
375	ʼHaktlakva	Tuzigoot National Monument			ALT: Tú Digiz (W. Apache)
356	Tséé Hichíí Nṉéé	Oak Creek/Bald Mountain band of Apache/Yavapai			ALT: Wiipukepaya (Yavapai)
373	Ahakuwa	Harcuvar Mountains (Yavapai)
374	Hasaya:mvo	Hassayampa River (Yavapai)
364	Haka'he:la	Verde RIver (Yavapai)

Totokwan - Pale Yellow; Totokwan band of Tohono O'odham

397	Ku:kaj	Kuakatch, AZ (Tohono)
396	Kohadk	Kohatk, AZ (and Tohono subgroup)
395	Kui Tatk	Kui Tatk, AZ

Hopitutskwa - Wisteria; Hopi word for their territory

381	Tó Naneesdizí	Tuba City, AZ (Navajo)
382	Kwaiantikowkets	San Juan Southern Paiute Tribe of Arizona			Also known as Pah'utsing
321	Orayvi	Oraibi, Arizona (Hopi)
325	Walpi	Walpi, Arizona			ALT: Deezʼáahjįʼ (Navajo)
332	Kin Łigaaí	Canyon Diablo (Navajo)
357	Awat'ovi	Awatovi Ruins
354	Homol'ovi	Homolovi State Park
353	Kin Tiel	Kin Tiel, AZ

Hakanyacha - Blue; Yavapai name for Salt RIver (Onk Akimel in O'odham; Va Shly'ay in Maricopa)

351	Dził Nteel	Sierra Ancha (Apache)
361	Dziłt’aadn	Cibecue band of Apache
360	S’edav Va’aki	Pueblo Grande Ruin
350	Dził Nnilchí' Diyiléé	Pinal Mountains (W. Apache)			ALT: Walkame (Yavapai)
352	Mäi’povi	Kinishba Ruins (Hopi)			ALT: kį dałbaa (Apache)
355	Dziłghą’á	Eastern White Mountain band of Apache

Sobapuri/Sobaipuri - Green; Sobaipuri people

347	Siwañ Waʼa Ki:	Casa Grande Ruins (O'odham)
348	Cuk Ṣon	Tucson, AZ (O'odham)
349	Cuwak	Tubac, Arizona (O'odham)

Chokonen - Purple; Chokonen band of Chiricahua

362	Aravaipa	Aravaipa Apache
363	Dził Nchaa Sí'an	Mount Graham (W. Apache)
371	Dziltilcil	Peloncillo Mountains (Apache)
372	Tséghát'ahéõne	Rock Pocket band of Chiricahua, lived in Chircahua Mtns.
370	Dzilmora	Dzilmora band of Chiricahua; also name for Big Hatchet Mtns.

Tséyiʼ - Blue-Purple; Canyon de Chelly (Navajo)

322	Tsé Biiʼ Ndzisgaii	Monument Valley (Navajo)
324	Chíńlį́	Chinle, AZ (Navajo)
323	Lókʼaaʼchʼégai	Lukachukai, AZ (Navajo)
326	Niʼ Ałníiʼgi	Window Rock, AZ (Navajo)

A:shiwi - Purple; Zuni people

399	Hawikku	Hawikuh Ruins (Zuni)
331	Halona Idiwan’a	Zuni Pueblo (Zuni)
333	Tsézhin Deezʼáhí	St. Johns, Arizona (Navajo)

Chihende - Light Purple; Chihende band of Chiricahua

369	Bedonkohe	Bedonkohe band of Chiricahua
383	Tih-go-tel	Warm Springs band of Chihende
384	Ne-be-ke-yen-de	Ne-be-ke-yen-de band of Chihende
385	Dzilnokone	Florida Mountains (Apache)

Tʼiistsʼózí - Green; Crownpoint Agency (Navajo) [note broken characters on map]

327	Tsé Bitʼaʼí	Shiprock, NM (Navajo)
328	Naayízí	Nageezi, NM (Navajo)
329	Tséłgaii	White Rock, NM (Navajo)
330	Tʼiistsʼóóz Ńdeeshgizh	Crownpoint, NM (Navajo)

Keres - Yellow; (Western) Keres(an) languages

313	Tsi'ya	Zia Pueblo (Zia)
312	Áakʼu	Acoma Pueblo (W. Keres)
311	Kawaika	Laguna Pueblo (W. Keres)
309	Teypana	Teypana, NM (Piro)

Tsąmą (Chama) - Blue; Tewa name for the Chama River

400	Lóosi	Dulce, NM (Jicarilla)
401	tsąmą' ǫŋwįkeyi	Rio Chama (Tewa)
316	Ohkwee Ówîngeh	Ohkay Owingeh (Tewa)
315	Khaʼpʼoe Ówîngeh	Santa Clara Pueblo (Tewa)
314	Walatowa	Jemez Pueblo (Tewa)			ALT: Mąʼii Deeshgiizh (Navajo)

Kapuuta*
will cover in Great Basin section

ȉałopháybo (Taos) - Yellow; Taos Pueblo

318	ȉałopháybo	Taos Pueblo
339	P'įwweltha	Picuris Pueblo (Tiwa)
340	Nambé Oweengé	Nambé Pueblo (Tewa)
341	Tetsʼúgéh Ówîngeh	Tesuque, NM (Tewa)

Kotyit - Blue; Cochiti, NM (E. Keresan)

343	Kotyit	Cochiti, NM (E. Keresan)			ALT: K’úutìim’é (W. Keresan)
344	Tuf Shur Tia	Sandia Pueblo (Tiwa)			ALT: Older name was Nafiat?
342	Cicuye	Pecos National Historical Park

Naa'dahéńdé - Orange; Mescalero Apache

310	Shiewhibak	Pueblo of Isleta			ALT: Dîiw'a'ane (W. Keres); Naatoohó (Navajo)
390	Abo	Abo (historic place)
389	Naa'dahéńdé	Mescalero Apache

Nii’t’ahéńde - Green; Nii’t’ahéńde band of Mescalero Apache

391	Dził Gais ’ą́ní	Sierra Blanca (Apache)
388	Tsé tághe' si'â-yá	Ruidoso, New Mexico (Apache)
386	Ch’ilaańde	Ch’ilaańde band of Mescalero
387	Nii’t’ahéńde	Nii’t’ahéńde band of Mescalero Apache

Haisndayin - Yellow; Jicarilla Apache

392	Moghwachi Núuchi	Muache band of Ute
393	Gulgahén	Llanero band of Jicarilla Apache
394	Haisndayin	Jicarilla Apache

Kó'l Kahä - Pale Yellow; Prairie band of Lipan Apache

368	Tucumcari	Tucumcari, New Mexico
367	Kó'l Kahä	Prairie band of Lipan Apache
366	Tá'huú'ndé	Tahuundé band of Mescalero

Northwest Coast and Plateau

Spoiler: Northwest Coast and Plateau Map

Spoiler: Northwest Coast and Plateau from Roughly West to East

Sunh-a-do - Green; Mount Olympus (Duwamish)

ID	Name	Named For	Culture	Resource	Notes
161	qʷidiččaʔa·tx̌	Makah people
162	Quileute	Quileute people
158	kʷínayɬ	Quinault people
159	nəxʷsƛ̕áy̕əm̕	Klallam people
160	təwəʔduq	Twana people
(Central Wasteland)	Sunh-a-do	Mount Olympus (Duwamish)

C̓x̣íl̕əš - Yellow; Chehalis People; Westport, WA (Lower Chehalis) [Broken characters on map]

157	Łəw̓ál̕məš	Lower Chehalis language
154	Q̉ʷay̓áyiłq̉	Upper Chehalis language
149	Chinook	Chinook people
150	Kwalhioqua	Kwalhioqua–Clatskanie people

Wimahl - Pink; Columbia River (Wimahl)

143	tɬác̓əp	Clatsop people
144	Tlatskanai	Kwalhioqua–Clatskanie people
145	Multnomah	Multnomah people

Tillamook - Pale Yellow; Tillamook Bay/people

138	Tillamook	Tillamook Bay/people
137	Nestucca	Nestucca Bay/River/People
169	Siletz	Siletz people

Šaayušƛa - Teal; Siuslaw Proper Language [Note broken characters on map]

136	Alsea	Alsea people
135	sha’yuushtl’a	Siuslaw people
134	Quuiič	Lower Umpqua people
133	Atsixiis	Coos Bay (Coos)

Tututni - Green; Tututni People

127	Kwatami	Coquille people
126	Mishikhwutmetunee	Upper Coquille people
119	chit-dee-ni	Chetco people
123	Šista Qʼʷə́sta OR Taltushtuntede	Shasta Costa people OR Galice Creek people
118	Taa-laa-waa-dvn	Tolowa people's land

Tak-Elam - Dark Blue; Rogue River (Takelma)

124	Etnemitane	Upper Umpqua River
125	tulǽyaŋsi	Southern Molala people
122	Takelma	Takelma people
120	Dakubetede	Applegate people
121	Latgawa	Latgawa people

Kalapuya - Red; Kalapuya people

142	Tsankupi	Tsankupi Kalapuya
163	Chelamela	Chelamela Kalapuya
165	Yoncalla	Yoncalla Kalapuya

Wallamt - Orange; Willamette River (Kalapuyan) [also appears as Whilamut]

141	Tualatin	Atfalati people
164	Yamhill	Yamhill Kalapuya
167	Ahantchuyuk	Ahantchuyuk Kalapuya
139	Lakmiut	Luckiamute Kalapuya
140	Santiam	Santiam people (Kalapuya)

Koke - Blue; Klamath River (Klamath)

132	mbosaksawaas	Chiloquin, OR (Klamath)
131	p'lai	Bly, OR (Klamath)
130	?ews	Upper Klamath Lake (Klamath)
128	Agawesh	Modoc village
129	Pasganwa·s, Kumbat, Pashha	Pick a Modoc village

lá•ti•wi - Purple: (northern) Molala people

147	gitláq̀imaš	Clackamas River
146	lá•ti•wi	(northern) Molala people
166	Koosah	Koosah Falls
168	Winefelly	Winefelly Kalapuya

Lawetlat'la - Teal; Mt. St. Helens (Cowlitz); Loowit for Klickitat

186	Cowlitz	Lower Cowlitz people
151	Taidnapam	Upper Cowlitz people
152	χwálχwaypam	Klickitat people

x̌ʷəlč - Blue; Puget Sound (Lushootseed)

181	sduhubš	Snohomish people
180	sq̓ixʷəbš	Skykomish people
155	xʷsəq̓ʷəb	Suquamish people
177	dxʷdəwʔabš	Duwamish people
178	sdukʷalbixʷ	Snoqualmie people
156	dxʷsqʷaliʔabš	Nisqually people
175	spuyaləpabš	Puyallup people

sqaǰətabš- Red-Orange; Skagit people (Note broken characters on map)

191	swədəbš	Swinomish people
192	sqaǰətabš	Skagit people
182	stuləgʷabš	Stillaguamish people
190	saʔqʷəbixʷ	Sauk-Suiattle people

Šnp̍əšqʷáw̉šəxʷi (Wenatchi)- Orange; Wenatchi people

184	Buttlemuleemauch	Methow river (Methow)
183	Tsi-Laan	Chelan people
179	Šnp̍əšqʷáw̉šəxʷi	Wenatchi people

Mámachatpam - Lavender; Yakama people

176	Pshwánapam	Kittitas people
188	Selah	Selah, WA
189	Tẋápniš	Toppenish, WA
153	Nixlúidix	Wishram village
187	Tapteil	Prosser Falls, WA (Yakama)

Tinaynuɫáma - Light Green; Tenino people [Note broken character on map]

148	Tinaynuɫáma	Tenino people
170	Wyam	Wyam village at Celilo Falls; Wyam band of Tenino
172	Tayxɫáma	Tygh band of Tenino
174	Takspasɫáma	John Day band of Tenino
171	Seekseekqua	Mount Jefferson (Oregon)
173	Towarnehiooks	Deschutes River

Imatalamłáma- Beige; Umatilla people [note broken character on map]

193	Walawalałáma	Walla Walla people
195	Imatalamłáma	Umatilla people
196	Qapqápa	Fishing village at La Grande, OR
200	Mah-Hah	John Day River (Cahuse)
236	Port-pel-lah	Powder River (Oregon)

.tskowa'xtsEnux - Green; Sinkiuse people

203	Smokiam	Soap Lake, Washington
202	.tskowa'xtsEnux	Sinkiuse people
194	wánapam	Wanapum people

Nsyilxcn - Green; Okanagan language

210	ukwnaqín	Okanagan (Okanagan)
208	Nespelem	Nespelem people
209	sx̌ʷýʔłpx	Colville people

Ntxwe - Yellow; Pend Oreille River (Pend d'Orilles)

207	Shonitkwu	Kettle Falls (Salish)
212	Kaniksu	Kaniksu National Forest; Pend d'Oreilles lands
211	Ntxwe	Pend Oreille River (Pend d'Orilles)
(206) - LAKE	Ql̓ispé	Lake Pend Oreille

spoqe'ind - Purple; Spokane people

204	Scqesciłni	Lower Spokane people
205	Sntʔtʔúlixʷ	Upper Spokane people
201	Palúšpam	Palouse people

wal'awa - Green; Wallowa River (Nez Perce)

197	Alpowe'ma	Alpowna band of Nez Perce
198	wal'áwa	Wallowa River (Nez Perce)
199	Imnaha	Imnaha River

naco'x kuus - Light Green; Salmon River (Nez Perce)

278	Almotipu	Almotipu band of Nez Perce
280	'Iyeesnime	Slate Creek (Nez Perce)
282	Naco'x kuus	Salmon River (Nez Perce)

koos-koos-kia - Red; Clearwater River (Idaho) (Nez Perce)

271	Atskaaiwawipu	Atskaaiwawipu band of Nez Perce
270	Léepwey	Lapwai, ID
272	Kămiăhpu	Kămiăhpu band of Nez Perce
277	Tewepu	Tewepu Band of Nez Perce			ALT: Téewe (Orofino, ID)
279	Sel-wah	Selway River (nez Perce)
275	naptnišaqs	The Nez Perce Trail thru Lolo Pass

Schi̲tsu'umsh - Orange; Coeur d'Alene people

294	Chatcolet	Chatcolet, ID
295	Schi̲tsu'umsh	Coeur d'Alene people

Nčłʔumnétkʷ - Light Blue; Lower Clark Fork River (Salish) [Can maybe merge into Kananmituk below]

426	ʔaq̓anqmi	Bonners Ferry, ID (Kutenai)
427	ncc̓kʷi	Plains, MT (Salish)

člq̓etkʷ - Puce; Flathead Lake (Salish); yawuʔnik̓ ʔa·kuq̓nuk (Kutenai)

420	A'ak	Yaak, MT (Kutenai)
421	epɫx̣ʷy̓u	Whitefish, MT (Salish)
422	Ql̓ispé	Kalispell, MT (Salish)			ALT: Kqayaqawakⱡuʔnam (Kutenai)
423	Npq'ʷáqs	Niarada, MT (Salish)
425	nčmqnétkʷ	Polson, MT (Salish)			ALT: kwataqnuk (Kutenai)
424	snyél̓mn	St. Ignatius, MT (Salish)			ALT: ʔa·kikqǂaǂaǂuk̓pǂiʔit (Ktunaxa)

člq̓etkʷ ntx̣ʷetkʷ - Red; Flathead River (Salish); kananmituk (Kutenai) [note broken characters on map]

417	Ya Kit Haqwitnamki	Lake McDonald (Kutenai); Apgar, MT (Kutenai)
418	Quintonkon	Quintonkon, MT
419	člq̓etkʷ ntx̣ʷetkʷ	Flathead River (Salish)

Ncqʷel̓stétkʷ - Red; Upper Clark Fork River (Salish)

428	Nłʔay	Missoula (Salish)			ALT: Tuhuⱡnana (Kutenai)
429	Semteuse	Semteuse people
273	čkʷlkʷqin	Bitterroot Mountains (Salish); Also Lolo, MT
430	Sntapqey	Silver Bow Creek (Salish)

Great Basin

Spoiler: Great Basin Map

Spoiler: Great Basin Locations - Roughly from West to East, North to South

Goyatöka - Yellow-Green; Goyatöka Band of Northern Paiute

ID	Name	Named For	Culture	Resource	Notes
237	Tumallowa	Tumalo, OR
217	Hunipuitöka	Hunipuitöka Band of N. Paiute
220	Goyatöka	Goyatöka Band of N. Paiute
218	Dühütayohikadü	Dühütayohikadü Band of N. Paiute
219	Paavituviwarai	Paavituviwarai Band of N. Paiute

Wadadökadö - Brown; Wadadökadö Band of N. Paiute

235	Tonowama	Harney Lake
234	Wadadökadö	Wadadökadö Band of N. Paiute
221	Kidütökadö	Kidütökadö Band of N. Paiute
225	Moadökadö	Moadökadö Band of N. Paiute
224	Tsösö'ödö tuviwarai	Tsösö'ödö tuviwarai Band of N. Paiute
223	Tagötöka	Tagötöka Band of N. Paiute

Kuyui - Green; Pyramid Lake (N. Paiute - also spelled Kooyooe); Á’waku dáʔaw in Washo

227	Kamodökadö	Kamodökadö Band of N. Paiute
233	Tasiget tuviwarai	Tasiget tuviwarai Band of N. Paiute
228	Kuyuidökadö	Kuyuidökadö Band of N. Paiute
216 (Lake)	Kuyui	Pyramid Lake (N. Paiute - also spelled Kooyooe)			ALT: Á’waku dáʔaw in Washo

Makuhadökadö - Blue; Makuhadökadö Band of N. Paiute

215	Küpadökadö	Küpadökadö Band of N. Paiute
230	Sawawaktödö	Sawawaktödö Band of N. Paiute
229	Makuhadökadö	Makuhadökadö Band of N. Paiute
226	Yamosöpö tuviwarai	Yamosöpö tuviwarai Band of N. Paiute

Te-Moak - Pink; Te-Moak Shoshone tribe

298	Tonammutsa	Battle Mountain Band of Western Shoshone
297	Natakkoa	Elko, NV (Shoshone)
296	Toyagadzu	Wells, NV (Shoshone)

Dáʔaw - Pink; Lake Tahoe (Washo)

214	Welmelti	Northern Band of Washo
213	Hungalelti	Southern Band of Washo
231	Tövusidökadö	Tövusidökadö Band of N. Paiute
76 (Lake)	Dáʔaw	Lake Tahoe (Washo)

Desatoya - Purple-Blue; Desatoya Mountains

232	Aga'idökadö	Aga'idökadö Band of N. Paiute
306	To:dzagadu	Shoshone village near Sulphur Springs Mtns.
307	Bauwiyoi	Shoshone encampment near Roberts Mtns.
308	Tsaidüka	Duckwater Shoshone tribe

Payahǖǖnadǖ - Salmon; Owens Valley (Mono)

62	Kucadikadi	Kucadikadi people
63	Wakopee	Owens River
52	Patsiata	Owens Lake

Tüpippüh - Green; Timbisha Homeland (Timbisha)

238	Tokop?	Tokop, NV			Not many options here
30	Tümpisattsi	Timbisha people
31	Pahrump	Pahrump, NV

Nuvagantu - Blue; Mt. Charleston, NV (S. Paiute); Also Nüpakatütün in Shoshone

239	Kawich	Kawich Peak/Range
240	Pata?nikicɨ	Pahranagat Band of S. Paiute
29	Muappa	Moapa Band of S. Paiute
241	Nuvagantucimi	Las Vegas Band of S. Paiute

Kai'vi'vits - Green; Kaibab Band of S. Paiute

242	See’veets	Shivwits Band of S. Paiute
243	Uinkaret	Uinkaret Band of S. Paiute
(244)	Kai'vi'vits	Kaibab Band of S. Paiute

Yahandeka - Red-Orange; Yahandeka Band of Shoshone (Also Yahantikka, Yakandika)

281	Shewoki	Weiser Shoshone Band
276	Yahandeka	Yahandeka Band of Shoshone			Also Yahantikka, Yakandika
222	Koa'aga'itöka	Koa'aga'itöka Band of Shoshone/N. Paiute

Ototumb - Mint Green; W. Shoshone Village near Bliss, ID

286	Tipanuk	Tipanuk, ID
290	Picabo	Picabo, ID
289	Ototumb	W. Shoshone Village near Bliss, ID

Agaidika - Blue; Lemhi Shoshone people (Also spelled Akaitikka)

274	Agaidika	Lemhi Shoshone people			Also spelled Akaitikka
285	Tukudeka	Tukudeka Shoshone
288	Tennambo'i	Craters of the Moon (Shoshone)
405	Pahsimeroi	Pahsimeroi River

Saihunupi - Blue-Purple; Western Shoshone village south of Hagerman, ID

284	Tokkapatih	Duck Valley (Shoshone)
305	Saihunupi	Western Shoshone village south of Hagerman, ID
(304)	Tso'apittseh	Jarbridge Mountains (Shoshone)

Aashchixxuá - Pink; Hell Roaring Creek (Apsáalooke)

413	Aashaashúuxaape	Big Hole River (Apsáalooke)
412	panaki	Bannack, MT
411	Aashchixxuá	Hell Roaring Creek (Apsáalooke)

Aashalatatche - Brown; Madison River (Apsáalooke)

415	Iichíilaashe	Jefferson River (Apsáalooke)
416	Aashalatatche	Madison River (Apsáalooke)
414	Baáchuuaashe	Gallatin River (Apsáalooke)

Iichíilikaashaashe - Light Blue; Yellowstone River (Apsáalooke)

408	Iichíilikaashaashe	Yellowstone River (Apsáalooke)
409	Awé Púawishe	Yellowstone Geyser Basin area (Apsáalooke)
410	Iichíilikaashaashe Alachiliche	Yellowstone Lake (Apsáalooke)

Yampapah - Light Blue; Snake River (Shoshone); Kimooenim in Nez Perce

407	qém̓es	Camas, ID/Camas County, ID
291	Targhee	Targhee Pass/National Forest
287	Boho'inee	Boho'inee Band of Shoshone
283	Kammitikka	Kammitikka Band of Shoshone
406	Yampapah	Snake River (Shoshone)			Kimooenim in Nez Perce
404	Teewinot	Teewinot Mountain (Shoshone)

Boa Ogoi - Light Blue; Bear River (Shoshone)

269	Moson Kahni	Moson Kahni			Shoshone capital in Civ 5
264	Kwa'gun: ogoi	Wintering spot along the Bear River
293	Coo-ye-pah	North Bear River above Bear Lake (W. Shoshone)
303	Ainka-Okwai	Evanston, WY (W. Shoshone)

Seeds-Kee-Dee-Agie - Purple; Green River (Shoshone)

402	Fossil Butte	Fossil Butte			The one non-indigenous name
292	Kuccuntikka	Kuccuntikka Band of Shoshone
403	Seeds-kee-dee-Agie	Green River (Shoshone)

Kutsipiuti - Teal; Goshute Shoshone

300	Beacamogapa	near Kelton, UT		Wild Game (rabbits)
301	Waahkai	Pilot Peak (Shoshone)
302	Ai-bim-pa	Ibapah, UT (Shoshone)

Apa-ya-wi-up- Green; Oquirrh Mountains (Goshute)

263	Wepayuttax	Skull Valley (Goshute)
265	Si'o-gwût	Tooele, UT (Goshute)
299	Onaqui	Onaqui Mountains

Ti'tsa-pa - Red; Great Salt Lake (Shoshone); Also Pi'a-pa

268	Ho-o-pah	Weber River (Shoshone)
267	Kamas	Kamas, UT
(266)	so'ho-gwa	City Creek (SLC)			Also seen as So'ho-gwût; Shoshone name for SLC is Soonte-Kahni

Uintah - Tan; Uinta Mountains and Uintah band of Ute

254	Timpanogos	Timpanogos Band of Ute
255	Uintah	Uinta Mountains and Uintah band of Ute
253	Seuvarits	Seuvarits Band of Ute

Pariyʉ Núuchi (Parianuche)- Orange; Parianuche Band of Ute

259	'Iya-paa	Yampa Band of Ute
262	Tavaputs	Tavaputs Plateau
261	Pariyʉ Núuchi	Parianuche Band of Ute
260	Sabuagana	Sabuagana Band of Ute

Pahvant - Light Blue; Pahvant Band of Ute

248	Ankappanukkicɨcimɨ	Cedar Band of S. Paiute
250	Kwiumpus	Beaver Band of S. Paiute
249	Pahvant	Pahvant Band of Ute
252	Sahpeech	San Pich Band of Utes

Kaiparowits - Blue; Kaiparowits Band of S. Paiute

245	Pakiucimi	Panguitch Band of S. Paiute
251	Moanunt/Koosharem	Koosharem Band of S. Paiute
246	Kaiparowits	Kaiparowits Band of S. Paiute
247	Antarianunts	Antarianunts Band of S. Paiute

Wʉgama Núuchi (Weeminuche) - Lime Green; Weenimuche Band of Ute

256	Kwiyaghatʉ Nükavachi	Bears Ears National Monument (Ute)			Wiki page has names in Navajo, Zuni and Hopi
258	Tukuhnikivatz	Mount Tukuhnikivatz
257	ꞌAkaꞌ-páa-gharʉrʉ Núuchi	Uncompaghre Ute
358	Wisuv Káruv	Ute Mountain			ALT: Dził Naajiní (Navajo)
359	Piinuu	Ignacio, CO (Ute)

Kapuuta - Pale Yellow; Capote Band of Ute

317	Kapuuta	Capote Band of Ute
320	Pintsae'i'i	Blanca Peak			Tewa: Peeroradarath; Navajo: Sis Naajinį́
(319)	Sawup	Saguache, CO (Ute)

Bonus

Spoiler: Bonus

Baja California Region?
Ha 'Ša Ai - Pink; Laguna Salada (Kumeyaay); Also: Ha wi mək (Cocopah)

ID	Name	Named For	Culture	Resource	Notes
18	ʼIitekat	Tecate (Kumeyaay)			ALT: Tiwan (Tijuana; Kumeyaay))
20	Pa-Tai	Ensenada (Kumeyaay)
19	Akwa'ala	Paipai people
22	Xawiƚƚ	Cocopah people

365	Nyakipa	Nyakipa people
21	Ko’leeu	Kiliwa people

Sonora Region?

Hia C-eḍ - Blue; Hia C-eḍ band of O'odham

454	Hia C-eḍ	Hia C-eḍ band of O'odham
455	Ṣon Oidag	Sonoyta (O'odham)
456	Kawulk	Caborca (O'odham)

431	Corrumpa	Corrumpa Creek
457	Tséichí	Guadalupe Mountains (Mescalero)
458	Tigua	Ysleta del Sur Pueblo

185

Noxwsʼáʔaq

Nooksack people

 

[Pepe_Sylvia]

I think it is all location of Manhattan on the map

Bummer, the east river was a large geographic barrier back in the day. It has some dangerous tides and currents that weren't nullified until the destruction of Hell Gate and the construction of the Brooklyn Bridge both events outside of Tinto's time frame. Moving armies from Long Island up to the Hudson River valley would have been a logistical nightmare.

 

[keaswaran]

Even if no new locations are made, I think the Brooklyn/Queens should be with a Long Island location, and Staten Island should be with a New Jersey location. If Bronx/Manhattan are too small to have their own location, they should be merged with Yonkers, not with the area across the East River or the Verrazano Narrows.

 

[Tahami Tsunami]

Here I was thinking that I had covered everything but I realize I forgot to mention the Grasshopper Pueblo (Naz-chug-gee)! Another big pueblo that reached a population maximum at the game start.

Something else I remembered was that there was a breed of dog that the Salish used the wool of to make textiles. Maybe some wool locations in the Pacific Northwest wouldn't be unreasonable.

As for areas, I'd have geographic areas but the provinces can form the modern states if you choose to create them with a colonial charter.

Kudos to everyone who's also coming up colonial names for locations in English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, etc! That must be quite difficult for some languages so I can only imagine finding names for locations in Malian Mande, etc.

 

[ScienceNinja7]

There's a few more Settled Countries I'd like to add!

Mosopeleacipi	The Kincaid Mounds site. Mosopeleacipi comes from the Illinois name to the Ohio River. Feel free to let me know if there are better suggestions for names. A paramount chiefdom with sites on both sides of the Ohio River.	Monumental and communal facilities like platform mounds, plazas, and temples.
Akansea	The Angel Mounds site and surrounding areas on both sides of the Ohio River (including many of the Caborn-Welborn culture sites). The name comes from what the Illinois and Miami tribes called the lower Ohio and Wabash Rivers.	It had the public works that most other large Mississippians sites had; platforms mounds, plazas, and temples.
Ȟemníčhaŋ	A stratified polity centered on Red Wing and much of central and southern Minnesota (it includes sites at La Crosse/Hinukwas Eja and the Sheffield/Hogan Wanke Kin site north of Minnetonka). The name comes from the Dakota word for Barn Bluff, a landmark at Red Wing that served as a sacred burial ground. Could also go by Mní sóta. The most densely populated area of the upper Mississippi.	Public works include mounds (especially the northernmost platform mound known) and stone cairns that were built on hilltops until about 1400 and may have served a funerary and religious purpose.
Moculixa	The famous Moundville site (page 88-92 in Looking for De Soto: A Search Through the South for the Spaniard's Trail by Joyce Rockwood Hudson) in western Alabama. According to this page, Etowah and Moculixa battled for hegemony over the Alabama River basin. A paramount chiefdom with control of multiple nearby sites.	In addition to platforms mounds, temples, and plazas, it appears as though many of the smaller sites had a tax/tribute to pay to Moundville.
Cheskiki	A chiefdom with multiple mound sites located along the Cumberland River. Includes the Castalian Springs Mounds, Brick Church Mounds, Old Town, Fewkes Group, and Beasley Mounds among others.	Platform mounds of course!
K’alaw’ayuchi	A chiefdom centered on the Shiloh Mounds Site. The name comes from the Yuchi word for the Tennessee River. There are many nearby sites along the Tennessee River.	Platform mounds which archaeologists have found may have been covered in clay of different colors.
Ditteh	A large Caddoan paramount chiefdom better known as the Spiro Mounds. Ditteh is the Caddo name for the site. It was the center of numerous nearby sites.	Numerous platform mounds, temples, and plazas.
Xe	The Blood Run site in northwestern Iowa that is the largest known Oneota site. The Omaha name for the site is Xe. It had been inhabited for a long time by 1337 and with a population of thousands living around the mounds.	Mounds.
Kwastiyukwa	A massive pueblo north of Zia (Tsi'ya). This pueblo was 5-7 stories high and may have had around 3,000 rooms!	Monumental architecture.
Pottery Mound Pueblo	A pueblo in New Mexico that’s known for its beautiful murals. On the map, it would be by the Rio Puerco to the southwest of Shiewhibak, east of Aak’u, and north of Teypana. I couldn’t find a good native name for it so feel free to share them if you know of any.	Monumental architecture.
Kuaua	A Tiwa pueblo that was visited by Coronado and abandoned after the Tiguex War. Like Pottery Mound, it had its own beautiful murals.	Monumental architecture.
Kawaika	Laguna Pueblo, north of Pottery Mound.	Monumental architecture.
Kua-Kaa	A Tewa pueblo better known as Arroyo Hondo pueblo.	Massive architecture.
Halona Idiwan’a	Better known as Zuni Pueblo.	Massive architecture.
Puye	The Puye Cliff dwellings that were home to around 1,500 people.	Massive architecture.
Tsama	A large pueblo with 1100 rooms. Located near Abiquiu, New Mexico and to the north of Puye.	Massive architecture.
Manitoumie	The Apple Valley River sites, especially the Mills and Savanna Proving Ground sites. Previously very populated, the handful of large sites left are struggling by 1337. It has been hard to find a native name for the area. Manitoumie comes from the original name of the nearby Sinsinawa Mound. Another option is Chaniere which may be the name of a Meskawi village close by.	Platform mounds.
Walpi	A pueblo located on a narrow finger of First Mesa. Described as the mother village of surrounding Hopi settlements.	Some tribute likely was extracted.
Pensacola	A large chiefdom with its capital located in Mobile Bay. The largest Mississippian site in the mid-Gulf area.	Numerous platform mounds.
Sims site	One of the largest sites in southern Louisiana that was likely a political center in the area. I haven’t found a good native name for this site.	Platform mounds.
Natchez	A well-known chiefdom of the Natchez that survived into the 1700s. In their territory is Emerald Mound which is the second largest platform mound after Cahokia’s Monks Mound.	Plenty of platform mounds and collected tribute.
Cuk-Ṣon	Hohokam settlements in the Tucson area that are much smaller than their Phoenix Basin counterparts but had many of the same features such as ballcourts. Had a number of sites like Romero Ruins and Yuma Wash.	Ballcourts and irrigation canals.
Quigualtam	A polity located at the Winterville or Holly Bluff sites (both had been constructed by 1337). Let me know if there’s a better name that could be used.	Platform mounds.
Shikaakwa	A native name for the Chicago area. There were numerous sites located around Lake Michigan and it may have been centered on the Briscoe Mounds. There isn’t a ton of info on these sites so it’s more of a maybe.	Mounds.
Towosahgy	A chiefdom in southern Missouri. Includes other sites like Murphy Mound.	Platform mounds.
Wenepekōw Nepēhsæh	The Oneota sites around Lake Winnebago like Lasley Point and the effigy mounds at High Cliff State Park.	Burial and effigy mounds.
Koshkonong	Includes several village and mound sites around Carcajou Point including effigy mounds in the shape of birds, mountain lion, etc. Might include Grand River sites like Walker-Hooper.	Mounds including effigy mounds.
Middle Savannah River chiefdoms	When De Soto arrived in Georgia, there was an unsettled area in the middle of the Savannah River area between the paramount chiefdoms of Ocute and Cofitachequi. It was referred to as the “desert of Ocute.” This was due to the 100 year war between that depopulated the once very populous chiefdoms in the area.	Links for sites that got depopulated. Native name for Savannah River is Isondega. SavannahSites ChieflyCycles HollywoodMounds HollywoodSite LawtonMounds RembertMounds SRV BeaverdamSite
Alabama River chiefdoms	A number of smaller chiefdoms that Moundville and Etowah fought for hegemony over.	Pakana Mabila Caxa, Piachi, Atahachi, Humati, Casiste, and Uxapita
Mawooshen	A confederacy that existed in Maine sometime before the arrival of Europeans. The title of the ruler was Bashaba who ruled from a capital called Kadesquit (early contact period) near modern Bangor.	Seems to have enough political complexity and collected tribute.
Piscataway	A polity of Piscataway people near modern Washington D.C. The Piscataway ruler was known as the Tayac. The Tayac lived at Moyaone.	They exacted tributes to local Weroances and the Tayac. They also seem to be centralized enough to count as settled.
Wampanoag	Like Mawooshen, they had a confederacy that formed at some unspecified point before the arrival of non-Norse Europeans. There was a head sachem that presided over the other “petty sachems.” Head sachems arranged trade privileges and protection for allies in exchange for tribute. However, they were selected by women elders and had to consult councilors and the “petty sachems.”	They have political complexity and collected tribute.
The Iroquoian Nations	This covers the 5 Haudenosaunee nations and potentially the St. Lawrence Iroquoians at Stadacona, Hochelaga, Maisouna, and Tsiionhiakwatha.	They seem to be politically complex enough but I’d like more information.
Wyandot Confederacy	Like the Iroquoians, they seem to be politically complex enough but I don’t know if that was definitely before European arrival or not.	They seem to be politically complex enough but I’d like more information.
Tionontati Confederacy	Same with the Iroquois and Wyandot above.	They seem to be politically complex enough but I’d like more information.
Chonnonton Confederacy	Same with the Iroquois, Wyandot, and Tionontati above.	They seem to be politically complex enough but I’d like more information.
Etzanoa	A large city of 20,000 Wichita people in later centuries! The chief was named Catarax. It wasn’t that large at the game start, but it was inhabited by 1300 so perhaps it can start out small then grow into a giant like it did in real life.	Seem to be politically complex enough.

This is an excellent list, and a good effort to find reasonable names for polities based around archaeological sites. I disagree with including the Northern Iroquoian and Eastern Algonquian ones (Mawooshen through Chonnonton) because they seem like the kind of societies better represented using the "SoP" system. For one thing, they were only semi-sedentary, relocating their settlements every few years, which kind of defeats the purpose of a "settled country." True, they often remained in approximately the same area so that it wouldn't involve changing locations in-game, but in some cases it would: the Wendat originally inhabited the north shore of Lake Ontario, but in the sixteenth century all relocated to the area west of Lake Simcoe (e.g. this map). Many of these confederations actually centralized into paramount chiefdoms during the time of European contact: famously Tsenacommacah under Wahunsenacawh (i.e. Powhatan) in the late 16th century, but also the Neutral Confederacy (i.e. Chonnonton) under Tsouharissen in the 17th century, and (according to Wikipedia) the Piscataway also at some point in the 17th century.

These confederacies definitely had political complexity though, and I wonder if a reasonable solution would be to adapt the EU4 Leviathan system of technically "settled" (and therefore playable) countries that only own one location at a time but can relocate occasionally based on resource depletion. It doesn't really work for EU4 because the provinces are too big and the mechanic is overused (among other problems), but the more advanced simulation systems of Project Caesar seem better suited for it. I only bring this up because the Haudenosaunee nations don't seem to qualify as "settled countries" by any definition (at least not in 1337), so unless there is a way for "SoP"s to be playable soon, there really needs to be another way to be able to play as one of the most important powers in North America...

 

[Stalin's Right Hand]

First, let me start off by saying that in my opinion, the areas/provinces/locations on the map should be based as heavily as possible on natural geography. Secondly and more importantly, I noticed that the locations/provinces/areas to the west of the Appalachians were MUCH larger than those present on the east coast, including Texas (it has somewhere between 1/2 to 1/3 the density of Pennsylvania) have a very low location density. I know province density isn't everything, but I think it is somewhat important in the regard of "The New World" and a denser new world would help convey the immensity of these areas. As such I decided to make a map of Texas that has approximately the same density of the east coast.

Anyways, with that as my goal (along with correcting some mistakes that I feel Tinto made in a couple of areas in the region such as the omission of the Texas hill country) I decided to create some maps based on these loose ideas. However, I got a little bit carried away and also ended up mapping significant portions of surrounding states as well (I know Mexico looks a bit weird, but its a different projection, plus the parts I actually used lined up good enough for the map).

Areas:

The areas map, is in my opinion one of the more important maps on here as it sets the standard for how I believe NA should be represented overall. The areas are mostly based on the major geographical/topographical/ecological changes that are present throughout the region. The map is by no means perfect (The Great Plains are a smidge larger than I'd like, which partially resulted in the odd shape of the Gulf Plains), but overall I think it's a good starting point that Tinto could use to draw inspiration from to divide NA up.

Spoiler: Provinces Map

Probably one of the least important maps on here, this map mainly served as a guideline for helping me to create the smaller locations. This is truly an ugly map with all sorts of oddly sized provinces littered about. The only reason I'm including it on here is as an example of a target density (here Texas is represented by approximately 45 provinces, knowing Pennsylvania is 6x smaller than Texas and Florida 5x smaller, that means this version of Texas has the same province density as Florida and 5/6 that of Pennsylvania, which I feel is a pretty good density to be at). I also did not name any of these provinces because human geography, particularly pre-Columbian, is not my strong suit, so I leave that to those who are more knowledgeable in those matters.

I did not make a separate location map because the locations will be showed in the following maps anyways, and I have no clue what most of these locations would even be named in a pre-Columbian context.

Spoiler: Climates Map

The climates map was quite simple, PC bases its climates on Koppen climate data, so I simply pulled up the 1901-1930 Koppen climate map and best approximated it. Additionally you'll notice the darked out locations that are of course wastelands. This is simply because of the granularity afforded to me by the map. I also decided not to subscribe to the "Everything must be a wasteland" philosophy Pennsylvania has going on because if I put wastelands that liberally, the southern half of the Edwards Plateau and large swathes of the Trans-Pecos would become wastelands at the absolute least. As far as granularity goes, Texas is represented by approximately 206 locations not including wastelands!!! Comparing that to our yardstick of granularity, Pennsylvania, and (footstick??) Florida, Texas comes out as being slightly less granular then Pennsylvania, but more so than Florida. Also, yes I know some of these locations look a bit odd, but that's because, like with the other maps, it's heavily based on the physical geography of the region.

Spoiler: Terrain Map

As you can see the terrain map is much more varied in this version than the one in the Tinto Maps. Notable features include the Texas hill country on the Edwards Plateau, The Palo Pinto Mountains, the canyonlands to the north and east of the Llano Estacado, and the various mountains in and around Big Bend. I filled out this map based on personal experience as a native of the area, and information provided by the US EPA's ecoregion surveys. The plateaus were placed in regard to what Tinto considers plateaus, which appears to be anything higher than approx. 4000 ft above sea level (though I could be wrong about that assumption). As such, I used that assumption along with the cliffs bounding the Llano Estacado along the northern half of its eastern border to place the plateaus, and is the reason why the Edwards Plateau, despite being a fairly prominent feature of the geography in central Texas (not to mention a plateau) was not assigned as plateau land.

Spoiler: Vegetation Map

As far as the vegetation map goes, I tried my best to approximate what the area looked like pre-Columbian. For doing this, the EPA Report on Texas's Ecoregions was extremely helpful, as it provided some insight into what many areas reportedly looked like prior to European colonization. I couldn't find such detailed reports that included pre-Columbian vegetation for the areas outside of Texas though, so I simply approximated by using modern vegetation reports of those areas.

Spoiler: Natural Harbors Map

The final map that I made, the natural harbors map where there is absolutely nothing that will cause any controversy whatsoever X3. I know Tinto put out a basic "natural harbor ranking system" with the Maps Extra #3, but I'm not entirely sure its entirely applicable here. The main reason for this is depth. As such, I biased the harbor suitability heavily based on water depth. In modern times, many of the coastal areas in Texas and Louisiana have been dredged (Galveston as early as the 1870s) but naturally are very shallow. As such, I consulted historical charts archived by NOAA to assess the likely state these areas were in during the timeframe of PC. I ranked these based on harbor protection, (almost all of these are well protected bays, with a handful of river estuaries mixed in). I then modified that by how much dredging would be required to get a ship with a 12ft draft (think Columbus' Santa Maria) into one of these areas. An example would be Galveston vs Houston where such a ship would likely be able to port on Galveston Island with little issue without dredging, thus the higher harbor suitability. However the same ship attempting to port further north in the bay would have had to contend with a average water depth of 9-10ft (which could possibly be navigated at high tide), plus the Red Fish Sandbar that, although narrow, generally only sat 1-2ft below the surface of the water, thus lower harbor suitability.

 

[Veag]

Just added a natural harbor to Québec (as Montréal is landlocked in the current map).

Montréal is not a great natural harbor. And Québec City isn't much better. Halifax has a great natural harbor. Cape Breton (Unama'ki) has a pretty decent one in Sydney Harbor. But history treated Montréal like a great harbor for good reasons. The stretch of the St. Lawrence from Québec City to Montréal is navigable. And the Stretch from Montréal to Kingston isn't. Montréal was, for a long time, as far inland in North America as you could get a ship, and that had a big impact on the history of European settlement. Montréal was the largest city it Canada until 1971. I don't want to get carried away ranting about it, but North America's history only makes sense because Montréal was a port. From around 1800 to 1960, it was one of the one of the most important ports in the Americas. Part of why Canada exists is that the French, British, and Americans fought over that port. I am not from Montréal, I don't even really love Montréal, I just don't think you can portray the world with the level of detail you are striving for and leave out a historically important port. Or, you could just put the harbor in Québec City, as Montréal really peaks in importance only towards the end of your timeframe, and I should really be yelling at the Victoria 3 team instead. And you are already doing way better in general with harbors, lakes and rivers.

Long story short: I don't care if you call it Hochelaga, Tiohtià:ke, or Mooniyaang. I don't care if you make it an island. But I respectfully think it should be connected all the way to the Atlantic.

 

[fraughtGYRE]

Montréal is not a great natural harbor. And Québec City isn't much better. Halifax has a great natural harbor. Cape Breton (Unama'ki) has a pretty decent one in Sydney Harbor. But history treated Montréal like a great harbor for good reasons. The stretch of the St. Lawrence from Québec City to Montréal is navigable. And the Stretch from Montréal to Kingston isn't. Montréal was, for a long time, as far inland in North America as you could get a ship, and that had a big impact on the history of European settlement. Montréal was the largest city it Canada until 1971. I don't want to get carried away ranting about it, but North America's history only makes sense because Montréal was a port. From around 1800 to 1960, it was one of the one of the most important ports in the Americas. Part of why Canada exists is that the French, British, and Americans fought over that port. I am not from Montréal, I don't even really love Montréal, I just don't think you can portray the world with the level of detail you are striving for and leave out a historically important port. Or, you could just put the harbor in Québec City, as Montréal really peaks in importance only towards the end of your timeframe, and I should really be yelling at the Victoria 3 team instead. And you are already doing way better in general with harbors, lakes and rivers.

Long story short: I don't care if you call it Hochelaga, Tiohtià:ke, or Mooniyaang. I don't care if you make it an island. But I respectfully think it should be connected all the way to the Atlantic.

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AFAIK you couldn't get large merchant or military ships up to Montreal, only shallow draught vessels. And since navigable rivers as a mechanic are not planned, this unfortunately won't work. Having some other trade/population modifier for Montreal would be good though.

 

[korandder]

The Wikipedia page for the Port of Montreal mentions the navigation channel between Montreal and Quebec was only deepened to 4.9 m in 1854. For comparison, the Vasa has a draft of 4.8 m. While the Vasa would be considered a heavy ship in her (brief) day, by the end of the period the game covers such a sized ship would be a large frigate (a light ship).

 

[JohnCro]

I wonder should they maybe make some rivers tiles for smaller ships or boats, maybe in future DLC or something

 

[JohnCro]

Bummer, the east river was a large geographic barrier back in the day. It has some dangerous tides and currents that weren't nullified until the destruction of Hell Gate and the construction of the Brooklyn Bridge both events outside of Tinto's time frame. Moving armies from Long Island up to the Hudson River valley would have been a logistical nightmare.

I think so too, I think the area could use a bit more granularity

 

[JohnCro]

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Could we get some more natural harbors for Chesapeake Bay? The entire thing is full of bays if not defendable estuaries. It's 11.500 miles of coastline puts above the entire West Coast of the US. Show it some love!

Yes I am surprised there is not at least medium quality natural Harbours around the area of New York, St Lawrence gulf and Delaware. Like it seems either it is a perfect harbour or not at all. I am surprised locations like Martha's Vineyard, Rhode Island, Cape Breton, Avalon peninsula, Delaware and New Jersey isn't at least somewhat of a natural port.