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Tinto Maps #5 - 7th of June 2024 - Italy

Hello everyone, and welcome to the fifth Tinto Maps! This week we will be sharing the map of Italy.

One comment before we start: we know that you might be eager to discuss other regions that may appear partially on the DD, such as the Balkans. Let’s try to keep the conversations separated in different threads, please; every region will get its own Tinto Maps, and we will show them and gather feedback in due time, in their own DD.

With that said, let’s start!:

Countries
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The situation of Italy in 1337 is quite interesting. The main power in the peninsula is the Kingdom of Naples, ruled by King Robert I, who is also ruler of Provence, and a few minor countries in Northern Italy; his efforts towards the domination of Italy also made him the leader of the Guelph faction in Italy, which backs the Pope. Speaking of him, the seat of the Curia is at Avignon, and regaining control over the Papal States and moving it back to Rome might take some time and effort. Opposite to all of them, there is the Ghibelline faction, led by the Signoria of Milan, ruled by the Visconti dynasty. They are backed by other important powers in the Italian region, such as the Superb Republic of Genoa, or the Duchy of Verona, ruled by the dynasty of della Scala. There are also neutral powers, like the Republics of Venice or Siena, although they could be attracted to join one of the factions. And we also have foreign powers that have already set a foothold in Italy, such as the Crown of Aragon, which has established a branch of its dynasty as Kings of Sicilia, while also recently conquering some lands in Sardinia.

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Guelphs and Ghibellines factions! They are International Organizations part of a Situation.

Dynasties
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Locations
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There is an interesting density in Italy, especially in the North, where there are plenty of communes - the Italian city-states. You might also notice something a bit different from previous Paradox GSGs: Venice is not an island, but the location has lands around the lagoon. We aren’t 100% sure that this will be the final design, as we have a few ideas to try to keep its special position on an island inside the lagoon while addressing the issue of it being too small to appear in the map; in this regard, we’re open about feedback and ideas on the topic.

Provinces
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Any naming suggestions about the provinces are well-received, as usual.

Terrain
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Three usual terrain layers. Something that I want to comment on is that we’ve been following this thread about ‘Revising Flatlands and hills’, and we are trying to get a bit more granularity in the Topographical map with the help of @SulphurAeron .

Cultures
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Italy is also a region with a sharp cultural division, and also plenty of minorities; although they don’t appear on the map, there are Italki Jews, or Greek and Albanian people in the South, among others.

Religions
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Another boring region, with more than 90% of the population being Catholic, with most of the religious minorities being Italkim Jews and Orthodox Greeks. We're considering implementing Waldensians, although adding more diverging Catholic heresies/confessions is a bit of a low priority for us right now. As a side note, it might catch your eye the Krstjani of Bosnia; we’ll discuss them later on, in the Tinto Maps devoted to the Balkans.

Raw Goods
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Italy is a rich region with plenty of interesting raw materials.

Markets
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There are three market centers in Italy: Genoa, Venice, and Naples (which was a very, very rich country in 1337, the wealthiest of the region). As usual, take into account that. 1. We don't script in the setup which locations belong to each market, they're automatically assigned to each market. 2. This starting distribution is not final, and it might change, as we do tweaks to the market access calculations over time.

Population
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There is around 10.5M population in the Italian region as of now. Taking into account how divided the political landscape is, Naples looks scary…

And that’s all for this week! For the next one, we will be talking about the British Isles, with @SaintDaveUK . See you!
 
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Dear @Pavía , this is super, thank you!

Can you provide a zoomed version of Northwestern Italy? If I am not mistaken Mondovi’ might be with Anjou (also same or very similar color).

Also, can you share something more on how vassalages/dependency status between a monarchy as overlord and a commune as subject will work?

Feedback on whether the cities of southern Piedmont should be vassals of Provence or simply allied/Guelph league also depend on what being a vassal entails :)
Sure:

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About the dependencies, is too early to showcase them, sorry about that; but if you could provide with the specific relations (Robert was lord of this signoria, overlord of that other polity, etc.), it would still be helpful for us.
 
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I'd like to see a major change in how rivers work in eu5. Rivers in eu4 are basically defensive things - you cross them, you get a malus, that's it. In reality, rivers formed the economic backbone of entire regions. A blockade against you by someone closer to the ocean means your city is effectively cut off from not only global but possibly regional trade, because the cities downriver aren't allowing your ships passage.

I'd like to see rivers become economic "streets" that empty into oceanic "highways." If you control every major city on a river and can ensure access to the ocean from it, then you should get pretty rich. Other countries should want to trade with you, because you can empty an entire river basin's worth of raw materials into the port city on the ocean. Conversely, being a OPM inland trade city like say Frankfurt should give you an ability to tax a % of the trade that comes down your river, and you should be able to negotiate trading status as a consequence. You could give allies or trusted trading partners less tax, in return for more trade. Alternatively, if your taxes are too high, you become a burden on regional growth with the attendant diplomatic problems (people wanting to replace you, or eliminate you).

This change to rivers as mattering for economic reasons adds complexity to the strategy of the games as well. The Netherlands, for example, would become both incredibly desirable for anyone on the Rhine - and anyone playing as the Netherlands would play a constant complicated game of balancing diplomacy with economic interests, which is what happened historically. Given their ability to shut off trade access to the western half of Germany, eastern France, and parts of Switzerland, the Netherlands and other areas like it might naturally become "entrepots" because everyone collectively has more to lose than gain by conquering it. Outside countries might support the Netherlands against their rivals, solely to prevent their rivals from obtaining better trade.

The Hansa would also benefit from this change, because the Hansa were essentially the "end nodes" of river networks emptying into the Atlantic and Baltic seas. If they shut off access to upriver areas, those products don't reach the market and don't get rich. A Hanseatic trade ban could be bankrupting for, say, Poland. A Hanseatic agreement, in contrast, could be trajectory-altering.

Really integrating rivers into the game could add an incredible layer of complexity and strategic planning, in my opinion.
 
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Some comments on raw materials:

I believe there should be some dyes in Italy.
According to a source from the late 18th century:
The reader learns that at the time this plant was not sufficiently cultivated in Italy, and particularly in Lombardy, to supply local dyers’ needs, with the result that many provinces had to resort to importing expensive foreign woad. Nevertheless, two areas in Italy still grew and traded fine and renowned woad: Castel nuovo Tortonese (likely to be identified nowadays with Castelnuovo Scrivia, in the heart of Piedmont’s historical woad-growing area) and Rieti, part of the Papal States, today capital of the homonymous province in the region of Lazio. Other minor woad-production centres were also Borgo San Sepolcro and Città di Castello in the Valtiberina, another historically important Italian woad area. Fontana says that Rieti’s “pastello” in particular was so renowned, that its trade all across Italy and Europe was a major income for the territory at the time.
Also:
Italy, which was at the forefront in Medieval woolen cloth production, had several praised dyeing centres that made great use of woad, and just as many woad cultivation areas which supplied them. The end of the 15th century, though, was a game-changer: the pioneer voyages undertaken by European navigators allowed to discover new trade routes to the East Indies, resulting in more and more indigo reaching the Old Continent.
So if those places named above still had dye production in the 18th century and are named as being historically important, one can assume that they have a long history of dye production that also existed in the 14th century when it was more profitable.

I'm suggesting dye for Tortona, Rieti and Città di Castello.


There should also definitely be alum in Civitavecchia! The nearby towns of Tolfa and Allumiere were the principle source of alum in Europe, which was discovered in 1462.
Have a 1630 painting of alum extraction near Tolfa by Pietro da Cortona, because why not.
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Huh, so, looking at south tyrol, what in previous games has been marked as "austrian" culture is now "south bavarian" culture? any reason for that?

(hey, asking about Trent and that area so still speaking of Italy and not germany/central europe :p)
 
Sardinia in Project Caesar

@Johan @Pavía

I will mostly give my suggestions according to what I’ve seen in this Tinto Maps thread, but I will also give some other information that, at least in my opinion, could be useful for better representing the island of Sardinia in Project Caesar. I’ve spent quite some time doing some research, mostly through what I found on internet, but I’ve also relied a lot on the pre-existing knowledge I had, since I'm quite passionate about the topic and I’m from Sardinia. However, I tried to include as many sources as I could in the bottom of the text.

Locations names are based on the map I made, I will use names in Sardinian

The judicates​

First, we can’t talk about medieval Sardinia without talking about the judicates, autochthonous states that existed in the island from the IX to the XV century.

Sardinia originally had four judicates, they all ended slightly before the start date (at the end of the XIII century) except for Arborea. For this reason, they should all be present as releasable nations, with the borders present in the image below.

They were called:

  • Judicate of Calari (EN) or Judicadu de Càlaris (SA), with its capital in Càlari (Cagliari)
  • Judicate of Torres (EN) or Judicadu de Torres (SA), with its capital in Thathari (Sassari)
  • Judicate of Arborea (EN) or Judicadu de Arbarea (SA), with its capital in Aristanis (Oristano)
  • Judicate of Gallura (EN) or Judicadu de Gaddura (SA), with its capital in Terranoa (Olbia)
(As usual in middle-ages, there were no fixed capitals, although, progressively, some centres became the privileged seats of power)

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The judicate was a unique form of state, directly derived from the previous Byzantine administration and so they weren’t feudal states. It had the same rank of a kingdom and so it didn’t recognise any power above them (they claimed the summa potestas).

Each judicate was ruled by a judike (or judikessa if female), that was the king (or to be more precise a “supreme magistrate”). He was elected by the Corona de Logu, a parliament composed by representatives of each Curadoria (administrative districts), clergymen, castellans and two representatives from the capital elected by the judike. The election criteria were based on a mixed elective-hereditary system following the direct male line and, only alternatively, the female line. The parliament also had the task of supervising the sovereign's actions.

The judike did not have possession over the land nor he was the repository of sovereignty since this was formally held by the Corona de Logu. He ruled on the basis of a pact with the people (the bannus-consensus) and if he violated it, he could have been ousted or, in cases of serious acts of tyranny and abuse, even legitimately executed, without this affecting the hereditary transmission of the title within the ruling dynasty (yes, this actually happened). He could not declare war, sign peace treaties or dispose of the Judicate assets without the permission of the Corona de Logu.

Each judicate also had a written legal code (comparable to a constitution): the Carta de Logu, a collection of penal, public, civil and land regulations. The Carta de Logu of the Judicate of Arborea, promulgated by the judikessa Eleanor of Arborea in 1392, is the most famous and important one as it was in force in all of Sardinia until it was superseded by the code of King Charles Felix in April 1827.

So, in short, the judicate can be considered as a proto-constitutional monarchy.

As I previously said, the only living judicate in 1337 was Arborea, the Kingdom of Sardinia was a feudal state and, while it had a relative autonomy from the Crown, it was organized similarly to other kingdoms in continental Europe (while some customs were kept, like the Carta de Logu or some of the previous administrative organization).

Proposals

  • Add the four judicates as releasables
  • Add Sardinian localized names (Judike for king, Corona de Logu for parliament, etc.)
  • Represent the Judicate of Arborea (and other releasable judicates) as a sort of constitutional monarchy, with a parliament and a “constitution” (I’m sure there will be laws that unlock parliaments and constitutions), and with its elective-hereditary succession system

Politics​

This was the political setup of Sardinia in 1337:

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We had four different nations still present, the Kingdom of Sardinia extended over the previous Pisan territory (old judicates of Calari and Gallura) plus the city of Thathari, the Judicate of Arborea instead had owned big chunks of land in the centre-west of the island and the Doria, a powerful Genoese family, ruled over some land where once there was the Judicate of Torres. The Malaspina still had little holdings in the north-west, but they were on the brink of their end.

  • Kingdom of Sardinia (and Corsica): its capital was in Calari (where the parliament was instituted in 1355). It was a feudal state, ruled in 1337 by the Catalan governor Ramon de Ribelles until 1418, when a viceroy was appointed. The Kingdom of Sardinia and Corsica (Regnum Sardiniae et Corsicae) was created in 1297 by pope Boniface VIII and its crown was conceded de jure to the king James II of Aragon; it was established de facto after the war won against Pisa and Genoa, in 1326. In 1479 it was renamed to just “Kingdom of Sardinia”, as Corsica was never taken from Genoa, despite many attempts.
  • Judicate of Arborea: its capital was in Aristanis. It had the previously discussed form of government and at the time was ruled by Pedru III de Bas-Serra (the latter is the dynasty name).
  • The Doria (Genoa): their “capital” was in Castelgenovese. They were an important family from Genoa that took control of some of the land where once there was the judicate of Torres. They ruled this land as a personal possession but for game purpose maybe it should be considered Genoa territory.
  • The Malaspina (Aragon): they were a powerful Italian family that gained control of some territory during the dissolution of the judicate of Torres. In 1337 they were left with few territories in the Lugudoro region (Torres), centred around the castle of Osilo. In 1343 they were annexed into the K. of Sardinia.
Representing the K. of Sardinia as a PU under the Crown of Aragon is not only historically accurate, but it would also represent better the events that has seen the kingdom basically transferred first to the Austrians and then to the Piedmontese in the XVIII century. The kingdom existed continuously until 1847 when, with the “Fusione Perfetta” (meaning “perfect fusion” in Italian) it was integrated into the continental states of Savoy and Piedmont, similarly to what the English Crown did in Ireland with the Act of Union in 1800.

Proposals

  • Make the Kingdom of Sardinia a PU under Aragon. It should be of Sardinian culture, but its “institutions” should be similar to the Crown of Aragon
  • Here you can either make the Doria be their own “nation” (as they technically were) or, for the sake of simplicity, portray their territories as directly owned by Genoa
  • The same goes for the Malaspina, they technically were vassals under the K. of Sardinia, but you can also portray them as a directly owned territory by the K. of Sardinia
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(locations names might be wrong)
  • Map edit: Pauli Gerrei and Seulu can be merged

Diplomacy​

The Kingdom of Sardinia was a in a PU under the Crown of Aragon. It had a claim over all of Sardinia and Corsica.

Aragon and Arborea were allies but the latter were already suspicious, as they felt threatened by the Aragonese expansion. This alliance was very unequal, in the eyes of the Aragonese it was a vassalage although Arborea was still de facto independent. For these reasons, Arborea will wage war against the K. of Sardinia in 1353, after less than 15 years since the start date.

The Doria were very hostile to the Kingdom of Sardinia, they fought in 1329 and they will fight again (winning this time) in 1347. In 1353 they allied with Arborea.

The Malaspina were vassals of the Aragonese king until 1343, when their territories were inherited by the latter and incorporated into the Kingdom of Sardinia.

Also, Sardinia was one of the areas that suffered the most from incursions of Barbary pirates and this problem lasted during the whole game timeframe, for this reason most coastal towns were abandoned in favour of more inland and defensible positions (this also led to a lot of areas becoming marshy and, for this reason, there was a consequent greater spread of malaria).

Proposals
  • Alliance between Arborea and K. of Sardinia/Crown of Aragon (depending on how PU will work), although their relations should start to deteriorate in the following years
  • The Doria (Genoa) should be very antagonistic against the Aragonese and they should start to close ties with Arborea in the following years
  • The K. of Sardinia should have a claim over the entirety of Sardinia and Corsica
  • The Doria (Genoa) should have a claim over Thathari
  • The Malaspina should have a claim over Bosa

Demography​

According to most sources I found, the island had between 300.000 inhabitants (to be fair, estimates go from 200.000 to 500.000).

The most important and populous cities were Thathari, Aristanis, Calari, Igresias, Castelgenovese and Bosa. Thathari was the most populous city, it counted at least 10.000 inhabitants. Also, Terranoa was considered as quasi civitas, almost a city (less important than the ones I’ve presented).

The population ratio between cities and countryside was between 1 to 3 and 1 to 5. However, during the XIV century, the new economic setup brought by the Aragonese, the many wars that were fought and the Black Death (which killed 1/3 to 1/2 of the total population) provoked a progressive abandonment of many villages (10/12% of them) and a consequent centralization of the population. During the end of the XIV century and the start of the XV 55/60% of rural villages were abandoned.

2/3 of the population were serfs.

Population growth was kept low by the malaria.

It had always been a problem since pre-Roman times, but in the late Middle Ages the problem became even worse. During the previous centuries the Barbary pirate’s incursions caused the abandonment of the coasts and this made them become marshy. This, together with the naturally humid climate and the already very sparse population, led to an even worse proliferation of malaria, in the coasts and in the plains.

Proposals

Just consider the info I provided, unfortunately I couldn’t find more detailed and specifical data for population numbers, I will update it in the case

Culture​

Sardinian was the main language in the island and it was the language of the elites.

The majority of the population was ethnically Sardinian.

There were communities of Tuscans especially in Igresias, but also in Calari, Orisei and Terranoa, and in general there were small communities in all the territory controlled by the K. of Sardinia, as it was almost all Pisan territory until some decades prior to 1337. Also, Bosa had a small community of Tuscans.

There were communities of Ligurians in Alighera, Castelgenovese. A small community also in Aristanis

There were communities of Catalans in Calari and Thathari. In Igresias they were the 5%.

In the end of the XIV century Calari and Alighera have seen a huge influx of Catalan immigrants (especially the latter, where they became the majority).

There were big communities of Corsicans in the north of Gallura, especially in Lungoni, Tempiu and Terranoa.

Also, Castelgenovese had a smaller community of Corsicans. Thathari and Nurra had probably some small communities too.

Their migration to Sardinia started, at least from what it is documented, in the XIV century and so they should’t be too many. The north of Gallura had the most but they weren’t the majority (at least in 1337).

There were consistent communities of Jews in the major cities until 1492, when the Spanish expelled them. In Calari there were 70 Jew families.

Proposals

  • Corsican people are too many, they weren’t a majority in any part of Sardinia. Their biggest presence was in Lungoni and Tempiu, followed by Terranoa. Also, Castelgenovese, Pasada, Thathari and Nurra should have a Corsican minority (but nothing more). I think this misconception come from the fact that nowadays in these areas the language is very similar to the Corsican language. But, in the XIV Corsicans weren’t that many, Gallura and northern Lugudoro weren’t influenced by Corsican immigrants as they were some decades later. At the time the majority still spoke Sardinian (in the lugudorese variant)
  • Calari should have a majority of Sardinian, but with big minorities of Catalans and Tuscans
  • Igresias should have a huge minority of Tuscans (they founded the city and populated it); Catalans should be only the 5% of the population in the city (so not the whole location, although the city was fairly populous)
  • Aristanis should have a very small community of Ligurians (mostly merchants)
  • Bosa should have a small community of Tuscans
  • Castelgenovese and Alighera should have communities of Ligurians
  • Thatari should have a community of Catalans (probably the 10% of the city’s population)
  • Terranoa and Orisei should have Tuscan communities
  • Some very little numbers of Tuscan pops can be added in other Locations iside the provinces of Calari and Gallura
  • Calari, Thathari and Aristanis should have Jewish communities (in Calari they were 70 families)

Religion​

The religion in the XIV century was Catholic in all the island. Probably some Pagans were still present in the Barbagia region but there aren’t a lot of sources for this and I don’t think that is enough to have a Pagan minority.

Proposals

No change

Military​

Each judicate had a small standing army, composed of an elite force of cavalry (called the Bujakesos). The main armaments were the sword, chain mail, the shield, the helmet, and the birrudu, a weapon similar to the ancient verutum, the Roman javelin.

Proposals

Add a small standing army for the J. of Arborea, composed of an elite force of cavalry (called Bujakesos)

Production​

Economy relied largely on farming: wool, livestock, fur, wild game, and wine were produced.

The interior was rich of woods, it was a great source of lumber.

The curadories of Gippi and Trexenta and the land in Arborea had a rich wheat production. In general, the whole Campidano region had a rich production of cereals.

Calari was known for its salt production. Also Nurra had salt production.

Aristanis and Bosa had wine production.

Bosa had soap production.

Alighera was known for coral harvesting (but not processing).

Igrèsias had one of the most important silver production in Europe: it is estimated that between 5 to 10% of all the silver in Europe at the time came from here. However, it started its decline during the second half of the XIV century as its mines started depleting. Silver was present also in Sarrabus (Chirra) and Nurra.

Sulcis region had coal but it has been extracted only in recent times.

Proposals

  • Alighera: Wheat
  • Aristanis: Wine
  • Belchidda: Lumber
  • Bitzi: Lumber
  • Bosa: Wine
  • Calari: Salt
  • Chirra: Silver
  • Igresias: Silver
  • Nurra: Salt/Silver
  • Ollolai: Fur
  • Orisei: Marble
  • Pauli Gerrei: Lumber
  • Seddori: Wheat
  • Senobri: Wheat
  • Seulu: Lumber
  • Terraba: Wheat
  • Tortoli: Lumber
  • Other locations should be either Wool or Livestock (with at least one Wild Game or Fur in the interior locations)

Trade​

The port of Calari always was “the gate of Sardinia”, most important port in the island, spices, woolen cloth and luxury goods were imported.

A huge quantity of wheat, produced in the Campidano plain, was exported in Italy (this trade route existed since Roman times) especially in Tuscany. Also, salt was one of the most exported products.

As I already mentioned silver was the most profitable good exported (ancient Greeks used to call Sardinia as Argyróphleps nésos, the island of silver veins), at least until the beginning of the XV century.

Other exported goods were cheese, pasta, salted meat, fur, leather, wild game, wool, wine, livestock, lumber.

So, in summary: the most important goods were silver, wheat and salt; secondly, we have farming products (wool, fur, livestock) and lumber.

Proposals

  • Sardinia being in the Genoa market is 100% accurate, I don’t know why some interior locations are in the Naples market but I guess it is a bug
  • Sardinia should export a lot of silver (5% of the silver in Europe only from Igresias mines), salt and wheat; other goods previously mentioned were exported but weren’t as important

Locations and Provinces​

The principal administrative division in Sardinia was the Curadoria: I think this should be the basis for PC locations. This administrative system was definitively abandoned in the XV century, after the last judicate of Arborea was conquered, and it was replaced by the imposition of feudal institutions. However, the Curadorias are still the basis on which the “historical regions” of the island are shaped.
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I merged many curadorias with the purpose of having the right number of locations, with an area of more or less 500km2 (as most of other locations), while also taking into account historical borders (in 1337 but also previous borders).

I think I found the best compromise to portray all important centers, mantain the original shapes of the curadorias and make almost all historical borders possible (for both before and after 1337).

Regarding provinces, we can have four (Calari, Arborea, Lugudoro, Gallura), reflecting the four judicates, or five, if we want to have also Barbagia, a region with its own peculiarities and history that differed a lot from the rest of the island. I find the first cleaner and better to avoid bordergore but the second reflects better the history of the island. I will not dive too deep into it, I will just say that Barbagia is a region that, since Roman times (or even Carthaginian) was considered its own thing, separated from the rest of the island (Barbagia derives from the latin word “Barbaria”, land of the barbarians, opposed to “Romania”, Roman territory or, in this case, the rest of the island)

For informational purposes only, a map of Romania and Barbaria division (it lasted until VII century)

Proposals


Personally I prefer the division in the first picture as it is cleaner:

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Topography​

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Proposals
Sardinia is much more mountainous than this, here is what I think topography should look like:

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*Carali can be also Flatland


Vegetation


Proposals

In the XIV century Sardinia vegetation was much denser than todays (huge deforestation happened much later with the Piedmontese), here is what Sardinia should have looked like according to the sources I found (and some personal knowledge of the territory):
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Localization


Here you have some localization in Sardinia to give some flavour to the region (also, some of the current locations names didn’t even exist back then, like Carbonia and Olbia). I have put the names of the most important cities or the curadorias capitals.
If you find this useful I can expand this by a lot.

Judike:


singular​
plural​
male​
judikejudikes
female​
judikissajudikissas



Location names:


Sardinian
Italian
Catalan
AligheraAlgheroAlguer
ArdaraArdara
AristanisOristanoOristany
BelchiddaBerchidda
BitziBitti
BosaBosaBosa
CàlariCallari / Castel di CastroCàller / Castell de Càller
CasteddugenovesuCastelgenoveseCastellaragonès
ChirraQuirraQuirra
FordongianusFordongianusFordongianus
Igrèsias / Bidda de CresiaVilla di Chiesa / ChiesaEsgleyes / Vila d'Esgleyes
LaconiLaconiLaconi
LungoniLongosardoLongosard
Nuor/NugorNuoroNuoro
OllollaiOllolaiOllolai
OriseiOroseiOrusei
OsileOsiloOsilo
PasadaPasadaPasada
Pauli Gerrei
SenobrìSenorbìSenorbì
SeuluSeuloSeulo
TempiuTempioTemple
TerrabaTerralbaTerralba
TerranoaTerranovaTerranoa
ThathariSassariSàsser
TortolìTortolìTortolì
TrataliasTrataliasTratalias

Male names:


Sardinian
Italian
Catalan
English
AndriaAndreaAndreuAndrew
AntioguAntiocoAntiocAntiochus
AntoniAntonioAntoniAnthony
BaingiuGavinoGavíGavin
BaroreSalvatoreSalvadorSalvator
BarusoneBarisoneBerenguerBarisan
BasileBasilioBasiliBasil
CaraluCarloCarlesCharles
ComitaComitaComteComita
CostantineCostantinoConstantíConstantine
EnzuEnzoEnçHenry
FerdinanduFerdinandoFerranFerdinand
FideliFedericoFredericFrederick
FranziscuFrancescoFrancescFrancis
GiaguGiacomoJaumeJames
GunnareGonarioGonariGonarius
GugliermuGuglielmoGuillemWilliam
IsteveneStefanoEsteveStephen
IthoccorItocorroIocorItocorre
JuanneGiovanniJoanJohn
LenarduLeonardoLlenardLeonard
MarianeMarianoMarianMarianus
OrzocorOrzoccoOrçocOrzoccor
PedruPietroPerePeter
RamunduRaimondoRamonRaymond
SalusiSalusioSaluciSalusius
SergiuSergioSergiSergius
ThomasTommasoTomàsThomas
TorbenuTorbenoTorbenTorben
TrogodòriTorchitorioTorcitoriTorchitorius
TruiscuEnricoEnricHenry
UgoneUgoneHugHugh
ZusepeGiuseppeJosepJoseph



Female names:


Sardinian
Italian
Catalan
English
AdelasiaAdelasiaAdelasiaAdelisia
AgalbursaAgalbursaAgalbursaAgalbursa
AgnesaAgneseAgnèsAgnes
AnnicaAnnaAnnaAnne
BeneitaBenedettaBenetaBenedicte
BiataBeatriceBeatriuBeatrice
CadalinaCaterinaCaterinaKatherine
CostantzaCostanzaConstançaConstance
EleneElenaElenaHelen
ElianoraEleonoraElionorEleanor
FranziscaFrancescaFrancescaFrances
LughiaLuciaLlúciaLucy
MariaMariaMariaMary
ZuanniccaGiovanniccaJoanicaJohanna



*Names in Catalan language might be wrong*

Coats of arms​

The coats of arms of every nation present in 1337 Sardinia plus the old judicates:
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References


2023, Il tempo dei giudicati. La Sardegna medievale dal X al XV secolo d.C., Ilisso



https://www.wikipedia.org/



https://rime.cnr.it/index.php/rime/article/view/78/134



https://medievaleggiando.it/laffasc...le-l-isola-nel-medioevo-centrale-xi-xiii-sec/



https://www.alguer.it/info/algheroneltempo/ilnomedialghero.html



https://www.sardegnadigitallibrary.it/documenti/17_161_20080610112616.pdf



https://www.amezena.net/storia-di/breve-storia-dei-rapporti-fra-genova-e-la-sardegna/



https://books.google.it/books?hl=it&lr=&id=fw4XuEbKnQwC&oi=fnd&pg=PP11&dq=natural+resources+sardinia+middle+ages&ots=rYbVRgq6f2&sig=htEutUJxoY8KBO5lMzN-ia7rFHs&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=natural resources sardinia middle ages&f=false



https://books.google.it/books?hl=it&lr=&id=LjQBAAAAQAAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA3&dq=natural+resources+sardinia+middle+ages&ots=9UOcun-Jrv&sig=ER-n8eelPsLxJXffgcTPceCP-s0&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=natural resources sardinia middle ages&f=false



https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/11686433.pdf



http://www.rmoa.unina.it/2677/1/campus.pdf



https://www.sardegnadigitallibrary.it/detail/6499b87ce487374c8f8015b9



https://www.sardegnaforeste.it/noti...chive-un-altro-po-di-storia-dei-nostri-boschi



https://iris.uniss.it/retrieve/e1dc...5fe0ac7a3/Grassi_E_economia_a_sassari_dal.pdf



https://www.academia.edu/984526/_Sardegna_e_spazi_economici_nel_Medioevo_una_rilettura_problematica



https://www.academia.edu/102955618/Villaggi_centri_minori_e_città_nella_Sardegna_bassomedievale_Demografia_economia_società_XI_XV_secolo_



https://iris.unica.it/retrieve/7a6dcf79-ec48-4148-baa0-d98c4288a6be/Mameli_ArcheoArte_4.pdf



https://www.scuolafilosofica.com/682/la-malaria-nella-sardegna-medioevale



https://www.academia.edu/102955618/Villaggi_centri_minori_e_città_nella_Sardegna_bassomedievale_Demografia_economia_società_XI_XV_secolo_

I quote everything you said, and thank you to have made this perfect post, 100% perfect, i cannot want to unify Italy using Arborea
 
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I quote everything you said, and thank you to have made this perfect post, 100% perfect, i cannot want to unify Italy using Arborea
Thank you very much! I don't want to make it sound political but I don't think that the judicate of Arborea should be considered elegible for an Italian unification... but I mean it's a game after all
 
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Because cotton was cultivated in Apulia. I specifically researched all the sources of Cotton in medieval Europe, and I found a couple of academic articles marking all the regions where it was cultivated.
can you share the articles? I would love to read them!
 
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Is anyone else concerned about the huge difference in location density? Just compare Italy to the Balkans:

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One location in Hungary is 5-6 locations in Italy.
I just hope this wont make more dense countries automatically more powerful like with Germany and the rest of Europe in EU4
The density of the provinces decreases as it moves towards east until it reaches asia where big area will become a single location .Similar approach is taken in other pdx games .
 
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How big are the chances of special events towards the Knights Hospitallers or possibly the Maltese taking control of Malta? I know that in EU4 you needed to spawn rebels while trying to convert in order for Malta to become independent, and take over Rhodes and have Aragon or Spain agree via event to give the islands to the Knights. I'm Maltese so this is where I can push my agenda :p
 
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Thank you very much! I don't want to make it sound political but I don't think that the judicate of Arborea should be considered elegible for an Italian unification... but I mean it's a game after all
As judicate yes, you are right, but if you manage to make it take the full kingdom of sardinia, it would be “almost” historical
Just a joke about how the kingdom of Italy was created by the kingdom of sardinia expanding, but technically it’s what happened. And also could be a funny run to try
 
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As judicate yes, you are right, but if you manage to make it take the full kingdom of sardinia, it would be “almost” historical
Just a joke about how the kingdom of Italy was created by the kingdom of sardinia expanding, but technically it’s what happened. And also could be a funny run to try
Technically after the "Fusione Perfetta" the kingdom of Sardinia was integrated into the other domains of the house of Savoy, so the kingdom of Sardinia wasn't in a PU anymore but instead was a directly-owned territory.
The king however still held the title of "king of Sardinia" and since it was his "highest tier" title he still used it (after all, being able to be called kings was the reason they took Sardinia in the first place)
 
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About the dependencies, is too early to showcase them, sorry about that; but if you could provide with the specific relations (Robert was lord of this signoria, overlord of that other polity, etc.), it would still be helpful for us.

Understood, thanks! Can you at least confirm whether the dynasty shown for Mondovi is indeed Anjou?
 
I think you should give Trieste Salt as a raw material, since the Gulf of Trieste had massive salt pans
well documented as early as 13. century.
 
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Also, I forgot, but could an event like the 1693 earthquake of Sicily make an appearance? As it destroyed many cities in eastern Sicily and killed several tens of thousands people, and led the survivors to reconstruct the locations, in a new, Sicilian Baroque style? I mean, it's not something vital, but it's part of the historical flavour that would enhance the game.
 
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I quote everything you said, and thank you to have made this perfect post, 100% perfect, i cannot want to unify Italy using Arborea
MAN, this is handsome! I'm craving for playing such an accurate Arborea/Sardinia! Your work is invaluable. A dream coming alive! Keep up the good work!
Now, time to marry queen Caterina Murino and try to inherit all the island.
 
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Don't expect the different regions of the world to have the same density, as they all are different. In Europe, the densest regions are Germany and Italy, which we think makes sense, mainly for historical reasons. Also, take into account that population is an important factor in making countries powerful.
If you dont mind me asking ,what are the historical reasons that some regions get more locations?? Is it to due to many countries like in hre or other reasons? Europe especially the gemany region and Italy as you mentioned seems to get more density in most paradox games. .Dont know how other regions will be in this game but the Asian regions like indian subcontinent have way less province density in paradox games while having higher population density as well.
 
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