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Tinto Maps #7 - 21st of June 2024 - Anatolia

Hello everyone, and welcome to the seventh edition of Tinto Maps! I am once again asking for your support back to the duty of showing a new region of the map of the super secret Project Caesar, which this week is Anatolia!

Countries:
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A beautifully divided Anatolia! The disintegration of the Sultanate of Rûm in the 13th century, caused by the Mongol invasion, led to multiple Turkish Beyliks grabbing power over their area. Probably the strongest in 1337 is the Ottoman one, founded by the Turkoman leader Osman Ghazi, but there are other strong contenders such as the Eretnids, the Germiyanids, or the Karamanids, which will be fighting for hegemony over the region. You might also notice that the Byzantine Empire//Eastern Roman Empire//Basileía Rhōmaíōn//[insert here your favorite naming option] still holds a few positions in Anatolia, the most notable being the city of Philadelphia. Apart from them, other interesting countries in the region are the Despotate of Trebizond, held by the Komnenoi, the Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia, and, of course, The-country-known-in-another-IP-as-Hisn-Kayfa, the Ayyubid remnant in al-Jazira. And you might also notice some Genoese outposts, making them important players as well.

Dynasties:
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The dynastic map is pretty straightforward, as a different dynasty rules each Beylik. We have fixed the issue with the random dynasty names, so no more weird 'the XXXX of XXXX' dynastic names anymore. To spice things up, we could maybe start a Byzantine discussion: Palaiologos, or Komnenos?

Locations:
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As usual, please consider that dynamic location naming is not yet a thing in this region, and therefore the inconsistencies in the language used. As an additional note of caution, please don’t use the Aegean Islands as a reference or benchmark for comparison, as a review of them is something that we’ve got on our list of ‘to do’. You may be able to see that the location density in the region is gradual, from denser coastal regions to bigger inland ones.

Provinces:
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We have changed the coloring of the provinces, making them more different, and easier to understand, though. Apart from that, suggestions in this matter are welcomed, as usual.

Terrain:
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The terrain in Anatolia is quite interesting and unique, as it’s composed of very different features: the central Anatolian Plateau, with a colder climate and more sparse vegetation, is opposed to the rugged and more forested coastlines to the north and south, while only having fluvial flatlands to the west, and in Cilicia (an area that always has been a choke point between Anatolia and Syria. And to the east, the territory becomes increasingly more mountainous, as it approaches the Caucasus.

Cultures:
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Anatolia is the first region of the Middle East with cultural and religious minorities added, just in time for this Tinto Maps, so we can have endless discussions about the divide between the Greek and Turkish cultures! Hurray! Now seriously, we’ve made what we think is the most accurate division for 1337, given the scarcity of data. The stripes point to a variation of the pop percentages in each location, from let’s say 70% of Greeks in Izmit or Bursa, to 80% of Turks in Ankara or Konya. We have also added some subdivisions of these cultures, with the Pontic and Cappadocian Greeks; and the Turkomans (you might note a majority of them around Sivas and Malatya), that portray more a ‘class//social grouping’ divide than an ethnic or language divide, as these Turkoman pops are always tribesmen, while we consider the settled population as Turkish. Other than that, we have a good amount of Armenians distributed between the areas of Cilicia and Armenia; Laz people to the north; and Kurds to the east (the brownish-greenish culture). Also, please ignore the chunk of Syria that appears, as the minorities there are not yet done.

Religions:
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We’re back to interesting religious divisions! We have in Anatolia Orthodox, Sunni, Miaphysite, and Nestorian pops. And if you wonder what are those pink stripes in Thrace, they are a Paulician minority.

Raw Materials:
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There are some interesting materials distributed all over Anatolia, such as Alum (which was a main export to Italy, usually handled by the merchant republics), Silk, Marble, or Copper. And if you’re wondering about the Spices, they were previously Saffron.

Markets:
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The market centers of the region are Constantinople to the west, Trebizond to the north, and Damascus to the south. Nothing speaks against a Turkish Beylik conquering one or all of them, or creating a new market center, probably in the middle of the Anatolian Plateau, although probably it will require some infrastructure to make it fully functional.

Location and Country Population:
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And populations. Byzantium has some edge over each of the Beylikz, but not if they ally with each other, or if they ally with its Balkanic rivals… Also, have I heard about a 66K Ayyubid challenge?

That’s all for today! We’ll most likely be uploading the French feedback results by the end of next week or at the start of the following one (as next week there's an important bank holiday for this company, Midsommar St. John's Day, and some people will be on vacation a few days), and in the meantime, we'll also be reading and answering your feedback about Anatolia. And next Friday, we will be taking a look at Russia. See you then!

PS: I had a flight today that was delayed, therefore the delay on the DD until an (interesting) hour in which I'll be available for replying.
 
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The kilis location should have some Kurdish minority.
Will you add the Kurdish principality of Kilis?
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This along with numerous other Kurdish principalities should definitely be represented. Would go as far as saying at very least Afrin (the location) itself should have a Kurdish majority. It's not called Jabal al-Akrad (Mountain of the Kurds) for nothing! Also since the Emirate of Kilis was mostly Yezidi at the time, would be good way to represent them
 
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Are Saruhanids Aydinids etc. vassals of Germiyan? And similarly are the beyliks to the north of Eretna vassals as well?
Just checked, and no, they just have close colors, so we'll review that.
 
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because of Rum Sultanate, haha
The Sultanate of Rûm is different from the Roman Empire, and restoring it will be doable for the Turkish Beyliks.
 
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Will Islam likewise have various IO's representing different schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Shafi, etc.) and especially more importantly in the case of Anatolia, Sufi Orders/Tariqa's like the Bektashi's? Or will these (again with emphasis on groups like the Bektashi's) be represented in a different way?

Secondly, will at a later point the Alevi's pop up in Anatolia?
There will be Muslim schools of jurisprudence, and we also want to portray Sufism, and most likely Alevism, yes.
 
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you are right.
Ottomans and byzantines were at war from 1333 to 1337 . and when the war ends Nicomedia becomes ottoman.
The fall of Nicomedia to the Ottomans took place on March 6, 1337. this mean they should start at peace indeed since Izmit in the map is indeed nicomedia and its on ottoman's hands so all should be fine at the start between Byzantines and Ottomans
Hopefully they get a truce at the start then
 
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"Sultanate of Rûm" as "Turkish Romans" meme is one of those unfortunate pop history meme cliché's that just refuse to die. Sultanate of the land of Rum (Anatolia) and its people, NOT "Roman Sultan" or "Sultan of Roman Empire" or whatever people imagine it to be online
 
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I have a question on that point: in CK2/3, if you play as the Komnenoi in Trebizond after 1204, the most likely way for you to restore your imperial position is to press a claim on the Byzantine title. In other words, there is a political continuity in the Byzantine Empire. Meanwhile, in EU4, playing Trebizond requires you to conquer the Byzantine Empire and re-establish it. From a game mechanics point of view, there is no political continuity.

In this game, which is the more standard path for Komnenoi player? I want to both restore their position while also maintaining political continuity.

Probably just gonna play as Byzantium and try to get the Komnenoi on the throne from the inside.
I think that both paths will be possible.
 
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Byzantium has over 1.5 times the population of the Ottomans, is anything stopping every Byzantine player from stomping the Ottomans a game start?
Check what happened to Byzantium a few years after 1337.
 
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I'm not an expert in theology, but doesn't the term "Myaphisite" refers to different Christian beliefs that say that Jesus has 2 distinct natures(in contrast to the other Christian beliefs like Orthodoxss and Catholics), which is true for both the Armenian apostolic and Coptic churches but that's where their similarities pretty much end, like you said they have different patriarchates just like Nestorians( which I think they are also Miyaphisite) and Orthodoxes yet of course you rapresented them differently for obvious reasons.

So I don't think every Eastern Christian patriarchy should be rapresented as a different religion in game and I like the Patriarchates concept, but these 2 "branches" are separated geographically and had different relations and history with other religions to make them 2 separate religions in my opinion.
Technically, yes, but we need some broad categories to group religions: Shiism, Hinduism, or Buddhism are also very internally diverse, and we also consider them religions. How do we portray those internal differences, compared to, let's say, Catholicism or Sunnism, which are internally more homogeneous? Through their mechanics. And those of Myaphisitism are unique, even if they share common features with other Christian religions (the Patriarchates with Eastern Orthodoxy, or having their own set of Holy Sites). But we'll talk more in-depth in the future when the moment comes.
 
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I have a question, maybe it's already been asked, and it's not strictly related to Anatolia, but anyway: will everything that exists in EUIV be present in this game? I mean long and extraordinarily detailed mission trees, unique ideas, special troops, particular mechanics related to the various types of government... This is one of my biggest concerns, I wouldn't want many things to be cut and then inserted as paid DLC, as has already happened in CK3, where many features of CK2 are missing.
Small, not entirely innocent curiosity.
There will be lots of content in Project Caesar. And I can't say more, yet.
 
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I don't think the Ahi Brotherhood in Ankara should be ruled by the Mengüjek dynasty when their beylik got destroyed by the Ilkhanate in 1277.
It's a dynasty assigned randomly from a dynasty pool at the game start, as we don't really know who could be considered their ruler in 1337.
 
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I am sure it's a bit early, but I'll ask anyway : At the start of the game in 1337, will there be consequences of the recent wars in the locations ? For instance in Nicomedia and other locations involved in the War between Ottomans & the Roman Empire : lower development / prosperity ?
 
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Are there Romanoite Jews (for example in Bursa) and Karaites in Constantinople?
We have 'Romanyoti' Jews implemented, yes, while we still have to define and implement the Middle Eastern Jews.
 
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Will there be content for the various smaller historical losers there, or do they just exist to be swallowed up by the Ottos? I think the Ahis are very interesting being an (unique?) example of a Muslim merchant republic and it would be a shame if they had nothing.
 
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