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Tinto Talks #41 - 11th of December 2024

Hello Everyone and Welcome to another Tinto Talk! This is the Happy Wednesday where we give you information about our very secret game with the codename Project Caesar.

This week we will talk about Parliaments. We have a simple feature with the same name in EU4, but this is rather different, as you will see. We have also gone heavily into making this flavorful as well, and many countries have their unique names for their Parliament, where it is a “Corts” in Aragon, and a “Riksdag” in Sweden…

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How is this parliament going?


Type of Parliaments
First of all, there are five types of parliaments, although technically you could argue that no parliament is a type as well. They are based on the different types of 'gatherings' that different societies had, which means that different countries will start with a different type of parliament and that you will be able to change it during the game.

Assembly
  • Available to all countries.
  • Nobles + Peasants can have agendas, but they have very weak impact.

Council
  • Requires Codified Laws Advance
  • Nobles + Clergy can have agendas, but have a weak impact.

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Can be useful…


Estate Parliament
  • Requires Feudalism Advance
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas

Autocratic Parliament
  • Requires an Age of Absolutism Advance.
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas
  • Crown Power is 25% stronger.
  • Can force through any issue they want in parliament for a small cost.

Constitutional Parliament
  • Requires an Age of Absolutism Advance.
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas, and their impact is much higher.
  • The Nobles Estate has an improved estate satisfaction.


If you wish to let your peasants have a say in your parliament you can grant them a privilege, but don’t say we didn’t warn you.


Calling a Parliament
If you are able to hold any type of parliament, you can call them as long as it's been at least five years since the last parliament was called. If you do not call one for a decade the estates will get less and less satisfied for each passing month.

When you call a parliament you get the choice of where the parliament should be held. You can always hold the parliament in your capital, which will give a small boost to centralization but you also have the option to pick another location. Usually you can pick any town or city, but there are countries that can hold a parliament in a rural location as well. If you pick a place that is not the capital, your country will become slightly more decentralized, but that location gains a nice bonus for the duration of the parliament, which lasts about half a year.

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A temporary mini-capital that prospers?


You also need to pick an issue that will be the main debate of the parliament as well. You have up to two options per estate to choose from, where the parliament support you gain depends on their current power in the country.

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The needs of the crown do not grant additional support..

Parliament Issues
The issue picked has a modifier that is applied to the country while the debate is ongoing. In many cases this is rather beneficial, but it only lasts for the duration of the parliament. We currently have over 70 different parliament issues, and about a dozen country specific ones.

If you fail to get enough support in parliament there will be a drawback which is usually a hit to stability, but if you get over 50% backing in parliament the country will get some benefits depending on the Issue.

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This is something that many estates may view as beneficial..

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In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration and was taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. All went to their own towns to be registered.


Parliament Support
So what is Parliament Support then? You will always have a base support from your current crown power, which normally will be rather low (unless you have completely crippled your estates), and then you also have the potential support you get from picking an issue. There are also some government reforms and/or advances that increase the base support.

So how do you increase the support during a parliament then?

Parliament Agendas
Well, you can always see what agendas that the estates want to push during a parliament, and if you grant them what they want, your parliament support will increase. The amount that the Parliament Support increases is based on the estate power that they have, multiplied by their current satisfaction. This makes it beneficial to keep estates happier than the minimum levels, if you wish to rely upon them in parliament.

These agendas include law changes, changes in societal values, privileges granted and more. If you accept the agenda of an estate, then the next agenda they propose in this session will give far less parliament support.

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It’s for the greater good I assume?



Parliament Requests
You can also use the parliament support immediately during a session, and get a request fulfilled, but that will reduce your support by 50%.

Request Additional Taxes
This allows you to collect more taxes from the estates during the next 3 years

Ask for Larger Levies
This will make you able to raise 25% larger levies at any point during the next 3 years.

Ask for Law Changes
This will allow you to change laws at a much reduced cost of stability during the next 3 years.

Prepare for War
This will get you an insulted casus belli on a country of your choice within diplomatic range.

Of course, using any of these requires you to probably have to pick an issue backed by a powerful estate, and probably accept an agenda or two.


I would not recommend hovering closely to 50% if you really want an issue to succeed as there may be events that could reduce it happening.

Parliament Seats
We have two more things influencing parliaments that might be of interest as well. There are two special buildings that can be created that are counted as “Parliament Seats”, which gives extra significance to that location. One is an Urban Parliament Seat that the Burghers can ask for during a Parliament, which grants a significant permanent power to the Burghers in a town or city. The other one is the Rotten Borough, which the Nobles Estate will build in rural locations increasing their power if they are not currently happy.


Before we end though, we would like to hear of any flavor names you would like to see for parliaments, we have about 35 at the moment...

Stay tuned, as next week we will talk about disasters!
 
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How do parliaments work with personal unions? Does the player have access to each individual parliament, or only the parliament of the senior partner in the union?

only for the country you play.

most unions have no senior partner.
 
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Duma
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Tagsatzung
Hluttaw
Parlamento
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Tshogdu
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Oireachtas
Council
Landtag
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Hungarian should be Országgyűlés
Its an ű and not an ü
 
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Just a few African assemblies:
  • Mali had the Gbara
  • Shona cultures have the Dare
  • Nguni cultures have the ibandla assuming they form states. (They should)
  • Igbo have the Aladinmma and Amala, which are more of village assemblies, but there are assembly structures throughout society. The Nri especially should be shown as having an assembly.
 
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Staten-Generaal would only work for a low countries(Dutch) parliament where several tags would be united but still exist as separate entities (in PU's, republics, etc). For a single entity the 'correct' term would be Staat, but since that is mostly a term since the 17th century I would prefer the term Landdag for the low country entities. Those are the 'informal' parliaments that were formed in the 12th to 14th century that resulted in more formal and documented parliaments in the 14th to 15th century. In case of Gelre for example this document from 1418 still exists.
 
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The Grand Duchy of Finland had a Senate so maybe 'Senaatti' for Finland? Another one could be 'Valtiopäivät' which is a direct translation of Riksdag.
 
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Perhaps adding Roman Curia for the Papal State and Curia for Catholic theocracies? Cool easter egg could be adding the Brethren Court as pirate nations parliament - if they are a thing.
 
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I have come to accept that The Dutch Republic won't be represented as a confederacy in this game, but I think de Staten Generaal would be a great tool to simulate it. If instead of estates, individual confederate states would have an agenda, it would make such a great addition. Perhaps for the Swiss and US confederacies the same could be done. I can imagine it would require a large amount of reprogramming etc, but again, it would be so cool!

Perhaps with a limit on states, for the map painters instead of role players. ;)
Perhaps locations that hold a parlamentary seat could start expecting greater investement into their provinces. Possibly even get pissed off if you invest 'too much' into other seats without them getting investement as well. This would allow for the creation of dynamic regionalistic bickering.
 
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For Bosnia, although sabor could be used too, there are 2 more apropirate terms.

An earlier one, of hungarian origin, rusag (orzsag), which was used more broadly, not just for parliament, but the land of Bosnia too.
Other one is domestic term, stanak, first time used in 1354. and was used strictly for assembly of nobles. Taking into account game starts in 1337. I would say, it's good enough to be the official name of bosnian parliament.

Couple important addition to bosnian stanak, firstly, it's assembly of nobles, burghers estate was basically non existent at the time, and clergy, even if present, could have an advisory role at most.
The most important thing is, one of the most important rights and duties of Stanak was choosing a new ruler from members of ruling dinasty Kotromanic.
Even though Kotromanic were ruling dinasty of Bosnia, there wasn't a primogeniture rule established nor something similar, so new ruler would be choosed (and even could be deposed, which happened few times) during Stanak session.
 
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Welp, it's very much scratching by, but the imperial brazilian Assembleia Geral was established in the 1824 Constitution and had it's first session in 1826 – within the game's timeframe.

The eventual republican legislature is called the Congresso Nacional, of course.
 
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Tinto talk about disasters the day I have to do an exam I don't feel prepared for... seems fitting
 
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England-UK certainly had a constitution, but compiling it into a single document is the sort of uncouth thing that revolutionaries get up to.


The English crown can use the parliament to curtail the Palatinate of Durham's power in the north for example. Big angry Clergy in the short term but probably a long term benefit.
Does this mean that England will start with a constitutional parliament? Apart from unique parliament issues, will there be any differentiation between the English parliament and others of the same type to signify the greater role that parliament in England historically?
 
do eastern and muslim nations also have parliaments, or do they have their own mechanics?

(feel too ofte pdx games are just modelled after europe, and the rest just gets different name/makeup but same underlying mechanic)
 
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In that case I suggest adding a special Georgian parliament, which has only clergymen and nobles, as the burghers were not allowed to attend. You can read more here.

A generic one with those conditions already exists as stated in the TT.

Council
  • Requires Codified Laws Advance
  • Nobles + Clergy can have agendas, but have a weak impact.
 
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