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Tinto Talks #41 - 11th of December 2024

Hello Everyone and Welcome to another Tinto Talk! This is the Happy Wednesday where we give you information about our very secret game with the codename Project Caesar.

This week we will talk about Parliaments. We have a simple feature with the same name in EU4, but this is rather different, as you will see. We have also gone heavily into making this flavorful as well, and many countries have their unique names for their Parliament, where it is a “Corts” in Aragon, and a “Riksdag” in Sweden…

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How is this parliament going?


Type of Parliaments
First of all, there are five types of parliaments, although technically you could argue that no parliament is a type as well. They are based on the different types of 'gatherings' that different societies had, which means that different countries will start with a different type of parliament and that you will be able to change it during the game.

Assembly
  • Available to all countries.
  • Nobles + Peasants can have agendas, but they have very weak impact.

Council
  • Requires Codified Laws Advance
  • Nobles + Clergy can have agendas, but have a weak impact.

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Can be useful…


Estate Parliament
  • Requires Feudalism Advance
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas

Autocratic Parliament
  • Requires an Age of Absolutism Advance.
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas
  • Crown Power is 25% stronger.
  • Can force through any issue they want in parliament for a small cost.

Constitutional Parliament
  • Requires an Age of Absolutism Advance.
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas, and their impact is much higher.
  • The Nobles Estate has an improved estate satisfaction.


If you wish to let your peasants have a say in your parliament you can grant them a privilege, but don’t say we didn’t warn you.


Calling a Parliament
If you are able to hold any type of parliament, you can call them as long as it's been at least five years since the last parliament was called. If you do not call one for a decade the estates will get less and less satisfied for each passing month.

When you call a parliament you get the choice of where the parliament should be held. You can always hold the parliament in your capital, which will give a small boost to centralization but you also have the option to pick another location. Usually you can pick any town or city, but there are countries that can hold a parliament in a rural location as well. If you pick a place that is not the capital, your country will become slightly more decentralized, but that location gains a nice bonus for the duration of the parliament, which lasts about half a year.

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A temporary mini-capital that prospers?


You also need to pick an issue that will be the main debate of the parliament as well. You have up to two options per estate to choose from, where the parliament support you gain depends on their current power in the country.

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The needs of the crown do not grant additional support..

Parliament Issues
The issue picked has a modifier that is applied to the country while the debate is ongoing. In many cases this is rather beneficial, but it only lasts for the duration of the parliament. We currently have over 70 different parliament issues, and about a dozen country specific ones.

If you fail to get enough support in parliament there will be a drawback which is usually a hit to stability, but if you get over 50% backing in parliament the country will get some benefits depending on the Issue.

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This is something that many estates may view as beneficial..

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In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration and was taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. All went to their own towns to be registered.


Parliament Support
So what is Parliament Support then? You will always have a base support from your current crown power, which normally will be rather low (unless you have completely crippled your estates), and then you also have the potential support you get from picking an issue. There are also some government reforms and/or advances that increase the base support.

So how do you increase the support during a parliament then?

Parliament Agendas
Well, you can always see what agendas that the estates want to push during a parliament, and if you grant them what they want, your parliament support will increase. The amount that the Parliament Support increases is based on the estate power that they have, multiplied by their current satisfaction. This makes it beneficial to keep estates happier than the minimum levels, if you wish to rely upon them in parliament.

These agendas include law changes, changes in societal values, privileges granted and more. If you accept the agenda of an estate, then the next agenda they propose in this session will give far less parliament support.

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It’s for the greater good I assume?



Parliament Requests
You can also use the parliament support immediately during a session, and get a request fulfilled, but that will reduce your support by 50%.

Request Additional Taxes
This allows you to collect more taxes from the estates during the next 3 years

Ask for Larger Levies
This will make you able to raise 25% larger levies at any point during the next 3 years.

Ask for Law Changes
This will allow you to change laws at a much reduced cost of stability during the next 3 years.

Prepare for War
This will get you an insulted casus belli on a country of your choice within diplomatic range.

Of course, using any of these requires you to probably have to pick an issue backed by a powerful estate, and probably accept an agenda or two.


I would not recommend hovering closely to 50% if you really want an issue to succeed as there may be events that could reduce it happening.

Parliament Seats
We have two more things influencing parliaments that might be of interest as well. There are two special buildings that can be created that are counted as “Parliament Seats”, which gives extra significance to that location. One is an Urban Parliament Seat that the Burghers can ask for during a Parliament, which grants a significant permanent power to the Burghers in a town or city. The other one is the Rotten Borough, which the Nobles Estate will build in rural locations increasing their power if they are not currently happy.


Before we end though, we would like to hear of any flavor names you would like to see for parliaments, we have about 35 at the moment...

Stay tuned, as next week we will talk about disasters!
 
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Should a Census really generate population growth? It seems more appropriate to have more efficient taxation or levy contribution instead. The Domesday book and subsequent English data collection didn't magically generate more people, it just extracted resources more efficiently.
 
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Very Christamsy :D

"Do not be afraid; for see—I am bringing you good news of great joy for all the people: to you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, who is the Messiah, the Lord."
 
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Cortes
Corts
Veche
Althing
Tynwald
Riksdag
Sejm
Uijeongbu
Senate
Congress
Meclis
Estates General
Rogati
Reichstag
Duma
Staten-Generaal
Tagsatzung
Hluttaw
Parlamento
Jatiya Sangsad
Tshogdu
Sansad
Majlis
Oireachtas
Council
Landtag
Folketing
Storting
Althing
Seimas
Mejlis
Sabor
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Kurultai
Upstalboom
For Georgia it should be "დარბაზი" - Darbazi, or "კარავი" - Karavi.

The latter means tent in contemporary Georgian but it used to mean assembly
 
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For Muslim Indian empires and kingdoms, the Darbar might be a name used for the council/parliament of ministers.
For Hindu Indian empires and kingdoms, the name Parishad or Mantriparishad might be used.

A bit unrelated, but a flavour-locked government reform for the Indian subcontinent possibly titled "strengthen the Panchayat system" provided small bonuses for increased local control, reduced unrest, and stability boost at the cost of slightly increased autonomy and resistance to assimilation for all rural locations in the country could be helpful. This will also come into play if you're playing as a Muslim empire like the Delhi Sultanate or the Mughal Empire with largely Hindu subjects. Futher, a parliament issue to "integrate the Panchayats" to make rural governance more directly linked with the imperial administration with some bonuses could also be a fun addition.

EDIT: I see the name Jatiya Sangsad being used in the code, but it is very anachronistic as the concept of such a parliamentary body was introduced to India during the British rule.
 
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Could you please have this in order: crown issues, nobility issues, clergy issues...

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Alphabetical order, while useful in many occasions, is not particularly important here.
 
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I'm glad to see that in depth focus on things - for example like how crown was managing forests and forestry in general, which was wery impactful resource for the crown back than
 
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If I'm correct (and the national archive is down so I can't double check) the Staten Generaal of the Dutch Seven Provinces was only Nobility and Burghers, no Clergy. Which I don't think is an option for the different parliaments.
 
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Very Christamsy :D

"Fun" fact: the census of Quirinius took place in 6 CE, that is at least 6 years after the birth of Jesus (10 years if we are to believe that Jesus was born during the reign of Herod as the Gospel of Matthew says, since Herod died around 4 BCE). It required that people should return to their homes (logical) instead of where some their ancestor lived 900 years earlier (illogical) and people living in Galilee (Jesus' parents) weren't required to do anything since Galilee was back then a separate kingdom, unlike Jerusalem and its vincinity which was directly annexed by Rome.
 
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I know that the idea is that officially counting the people in your country would make it look like new people magically appeared, but ehhh. I think this one modifier should be about tax efficiency, not pop growth.

Hell, if anything, the Census should give something like -2.5% to +2.5% pop growth. You don't really know how many people you have, after all!
 
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Could you please have this in order: crown issues, nobility issues, clergy issues...


Alphabetical order, while useful in many occasions, is not particularly important here.

Better yet, why not have all lists sortable by any attribute on the list. In this case it would be estate, alphabetical, size of effect.
 
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In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration and was taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. All went to their own towns to be registered.

And Merry Christmas to you as well.

Will we have two weeks drought (25.11-1.1.), or will you sneak in some extra TT (maybe not on Wednesday)?
 
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It looks far better than the EU4 setup. Good stuff.

A few questions:
  1. Is it in danger of being a bit too easy to get a casus belli just by asking the parliament - what are the restrictions/mechanics around this? (Though it is 100x better than 'fabricate claim')
  2. I get why the location gets a benefit for holding a parliament, but why do specific debates give additional benefits? I don't understand why the parliament debating whether to have the census would make the population grow by +0.5%
  3. Will estates ever demand that something be debated, or does it feel that the agendas are sufficient to model that?
 
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Cortes
Corts
Veche
Althing
Tynwald
Riksdag
Sejm
Uijeongbu
Senate
Congress
Meclis
Estates General
Rogati
Reichstag
Duma
Staten-Generaal
Tagsatzung
Hluttaw
Parlamento
Jatiya Sangsad
Tshogdu
Sansad
Majlis
Oireachtas
Council
Landtag
Folketing
Storting
Althing
Seimas
Mejlis
Sabor
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Kurultai
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How about Knesset, assuming Israel/Judea is a tag that can be released?
 
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